gatf4

I just saw Extreme Diesel Performance's website. It says Edge Products will begin shipping the Juice and Attitude Monitor for 04.5 and 05 in three days and they are taking orders now. It does say to call for pricing.

Now can beta testers tell us what they know about these products?

I've been waiting on Edge and been considering a TST before I buy gauges or anything. I thought the look of the Attitude monitor was more modern and would look better in the truck than the TST. I won't give up a great deal of performance just for a better looking piece though.

Any Guinea Pigs out there?

v-bar

Does anyone know what the power levels will be with the Juice alone and if it will be adjustable like the Ford 6.0L juice?I would like to try the juice but don't want the Attitude.Thanks.

Goggleyed

According to Edge the Juice alone will have 3 adjustable settings. If you want the other 2, you'll have to purchase the Attitude. If it ever ships.

Got Juice?

Trust Me.... You want the Attitude...

Fast reading Pyro.
More adjustability for smoke settings and power levels.

Big Bob

What Juice Said! YOU WANT THE ATTITUDE!

B.Law

Does the Attitude give rail pressure like the Outlook does?

OT-OF-Here

The attitude does not show rail pressure.

Goggleyed

It sure would be nice to know what the hook up is like for the Juice. IOW- is it simple like the EZ or more complex like the TST? For me in the short term an easily removed Juice+EZ combo with my own gauges would be ideal.

mattymac

It doesnt have the crank/cam sensor harness like the TST does, it just has the harness for the injectors, the map sensor, and attitude wires.

Tom488

How can it advance injector timing without intercepting the signals from these sensors? I can understand it being able to discern timing from the #1 injector firing, but if it's not modifying the crank/cam signals to the ECM, then the only way to get the advanced timing is if the Juice itself initiates the injection event. This is in contrast to the way the TST works, in which it fools the ECM (via the crank/cam sensors) to begin the injection event early, and it maintains the ground path for the injector after the ECM switches off, thereby increasing the duration of the injection pulse.

So, if they're really doing that (ie. beginning the injection event on their own, based on RPM), then that would eliminate the spurious P0336 codes we TST users get from time to time, but it also explains the much longer development time, since that seems to be a more complicated (ie. problem-prone) approach to take.

Trashdawg5050

The juice also plugs into the data link like the 6 gun

AK RAM

That doesn't sound like what everyone was expecting. I think Tom nailed it with that statement .......it can't. It would appear that they may be squeezing out a few degrees advance from a custom map program like the RAMifier does with it's low boost fooling. If that is the case, then it doesn't "do" timing like we were expecting. Just gets you a few degrees advance when you really get on it...nothing at cruise.

Hopefully there proves to be more to it than meets the eye, because if everyone waited this long for a VA C3.2 with RAMifier mapping, what a disappointment.

Tom488

What data link? Do you mean the ECM connectors? If so, then that's where they're intercepting the crank/cam signals from... doing the same thing as the TST, just tapping into the other end of the wiring harness to do it.

Do they just have one connection there, or are there two big connectors? The crank signal is on one of the 60-pin connectors, the cam signal is on the other.

Kyle Graham

Yes Edge did say they would finally be shipped out on the 20th you guys have to get in touch with me for the price offer though talk to you later

AK RAM

He is talking about the CAN-buss 4-prong plug that is dangling beside your fuel filter canister and I also think he meant to say the Attitude Monitor plugs into it, not the Juice itself.

These monitors show a lot of fancy sensor readings, like MAP pressure, coolant temp, oil pressure, fuel rail pressure, etc., and they get it all from the datalink port. One simple plug gets you lots of data, but the signal is one way and doesn't go back to anything, so it can't be used to manipulate a reading such as timing....if I remember correctly. The Outlook Monitor plugs into it for all of it's readings as well, except for pyro.