http://www.thestar.com/article/470913

You aren't kidding.. That was the most gruesome thing I have ever heard of..

I agree. Once we heard this on the news at work we couldn't believe it. I still can't believe it.

Apparently the truck driver gave the 2 men and himself crowbars that he had in his truck before they went on the bus. Too bad they didn't get any swings in....

see what happens when you spend too much time watching hockey and curling!
need to keep an eye on those Canucks at all times!

Well it has not been put in the news, but the attacker was also eating parts of the victim.

While I don't think this crime was brought about by too much Curling [dummy]

I do believe that there is only one place for thi guy, the cold hard ground.

What else can you do with him?

Obviously we are talking about a severely mentally disturbed individual with no hope of rehabillitaion.

If anybody could ever straighten out his noodle how could you ever trust him back with the public??

The cheapest route for the taxpayers would be my preffered method of dealing with this guy.

:o That is horrifying. The fact that he did it calmly sounds like it was premeditated. Like a hit with extreme prejudice maybe.

It's a shame nobody on the bus was packin a little heat...you can't hack someone else's head off when your's gets turned into a canoe.

Well it has not been put in the news, but the attacker was also eating parts of the victim.

it was in the news, the police tapes where also leaked and the audio from the first responders was pretty intense I hear. I cant even imagine having to describe the scene to dispatch.

A short rope and a long drop will fix this waste of skin......

Arrested?????? Arrested????? He should have been shot or worse. BTW we are BBQing one down here in Texas tonight. Scumbag from mexico raped and killed 2 girls, 14 and 16. Now the world court wants us to let him off the juice, screw that light him up.

Agreed larry.......

Agreed larry.......

You are a BRILLIANT person :) [laugh]

You are a BRILLIANT person :) [laugh]

great idea Lary, thanx! (about the short rope and the political discussion section)

Well the sorry sack of $*!? was brought into court today to enter his plea and all he said was "please kill me" So guess what our great justice system over seerer do SHE say's "get him a phyc evaluation. Just freakin great, now even morte of my tax dollars can go to sum quack for him to say "Yep he is mentally deranged, can't try him as a criminal, he's insane" (here's yur sign) Then he will go to a mental hospital where I can pay for him for the rest of his life.

My suggestion is this: (taken from the latest RAMBO movie)

Take him to a rice patty full of live land mines and let him run through it till he blows up.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not some kind of saddist (well mabey a little bit) but when it comes to this kind of crap that you only see in the movies happens in real life I say FRY'em. Unfortunatley I live in a country where the bleeding hearts make the rules.

Sorry for the rant.

just my .02 worth

Perhaps a new industry should be developed for this kind of person...
Make them into biodiesel.

Perhaps a new industry should be developed for this kind of person...
Make them into biodiesel.

Good idea,save taxpayer money and he can get carbon credits[roll]

"Please kill me" Come here. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant believe they put a hold on him. This happened 15 years ago. Click click BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya, that is ridiculous that he will end up not tried as a criminal. That man deserves to be put to death. The fact he asked please kill me just makes me want him to be killed slowly and painfully.

I am sure he said "please kill me" as part of his plan to avoid charges. He knows what he is doing.

I think they shoud put him to public service. Take him to Iraq and anytime they raid a Taliban building he can go in first to check for live fire.

I dont know about you guys but I would feel horrible riding on that bus and not being able to help the victim. I have my CC permit and never use it..... maybe now the Glock 20 will be on my side once again.

Well see good things still worked out a vote of 5/4 and we fried the murdering rapist bastard at 9:57 P.M.

Canada's not keen on CCW... or even private ownership of firearms. Too bad. Cuts down on the odds of someone doing a public service and saving some taxpayer$$.

what a nutjob!! Obviously what he wants us to think. If he's not a nutjob it's ok to fry him, but if he's out of his gord we're supposed to sympathise with him???? Yeah, cause that makes it alright to decapitate some pour fella ridin' a bus and if your out of your mind it's ok. I would have gladly introduced him to the Armory's XD45 and Mr.Hornady. Kill him outright? To easy, drop him over in the croc infested waters in Africa and watch to make sure they get the job done. Or even the great white infested waters in South Africa, put him in a suit that makes him look like a seal. Should'nt take to much to "prove" that he did it right? Some sympathetic panty wad group will chime in before long defending this stooge. It was his mothers fault, he had to eat spinach as a child forever rendering his mind incapable of knowing right from wrong we have to care for him and nurture him....yeah ok, bang! Hows that for nurturing.

Rumour has it , that he is a muslim. Unfortunately, up here in Canada we will treat him far better than if someone is late paying his taxes.

He will get his own cell with TV and free food and medical for the rest of his life, and I am sure he will get his conjugal visits from his wife that lives in Edmonton.

To not make an example of this guy will be more dangerous than you can imagine.

BTW he is only charged with 2nd degree murder.

2nd degree murder carries the same repercussions as 1st degree. If he was charged with 1st degree he would most likely be found not guilty. 1st degree is someone that planned the murder. It could very well be argued that he did not plan this. Even the pig farmer (Robert Pickton) that killed over 50 ladies of the evening was charged with 2degree. He will spend the rest of his life in jail.

He will spend the rest of his life in jail.

He should be executed!!!

He should be executed!!!
I agree, but that unfortunately won't happen up here.

I agree, but that unfortunately won't happen up here.

It doesn't happen near enough on our side of the border!!
I'm not sure if we lead the nation or not but we take em out quite often here in Texas. I believe then Gov. Bush lead the league in executions during his last yr as Gov.

Why kill him? That gets rid of the problem.
Why not have him bust big rocks into little ones using small hammers. Have him on bread and water, maybe a bit of meat. (a tastelss meal of only nutritional value).
Make him live a long hard life, no breaks, just work and sleep. Then make a video tape of it, start showing that to all the criminals in Prison. Then show the tape to high school kids. That way none of them think prison or crime is easy.

I think all criminals should do hard time, (I dont mean with their roommate). They need to be busting rocks, meanless tasks, liek dig a hole 3'wide, 6' deep and 10' long, then fill it in. Then move over 6" and do it again.

Why kill him? That gets rid of the problem.
Why not have him bust big rocks into little ones using small hammers. Have him on bread and water, maybe a bit of meat. (a tastelss meal of only nutritional value).
Make him live a long hard life, no breaks, just work and sleep. Then make a video tape of it, start showing that to all the criminals in Prison. Then show the tape to high school kids. That way none of them think prison or crime is easy.

I think all criminals should do hard time, (I dont mean with their roommate). They need to be busting rocks, meanless tasks, liek dig a hole 3'wide, 6' deep and 10' long, then fill it in. Then move over 6" and do it again.
Execute him quickly and inhumanely!! This way less tax dollars are spent housing scum like this.
Then show the Execution video to high school kids. That'll get their attention!!

Then show the Execution video to high school kids. That'll get their attention!!

and will surely put an end to this epidemic of people decapitating and eating people while riding Greyhound busses in Canada. [laugh]

Execute him quickly and inhumanely!! This way less tax dollars are spent housing scum like this.
Then show the Execution video to high school kids. That'll get their attention!!

i like the way u think man all of canada should be like tex shoot 1st ?s later . if we were like u our crime would be down big time. and that guy should of been shoot right on the god dam spot

I think they shoud put him to public service. Take him to Iraq and anytime they raid a Taliban building he can go in first to check for live fire.

You do realize that the taliban is in Afghanistan, which is not Iraq. Secondly, we are not involved in Iraq, so its a moot point.

Rumour has it , that he is a muslim.

Relevance?
Christians murder. Jews murder. Agnostics murder. Hindus murder. What does it all mean? Every group has their crazies, and trying to further demonize societies current target is fruitless.

i like the way u think man all of canada should be like tex shoot 1st ?s later . if we were like u our crime would be down big time. and that guy should of been shoot right on the god dam spot

While this is an extraordinary case (being this clear cut), going Wild West as a justice policy seems foolish. Crime stats for the US vs. Canada in violent crimes is quite different. Death penalties have proven to not deter violent crimes, and the amount of wrongful convictions is further reason to avoid it. Cases like David Milgaard (wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for 23 years) and Steven Prescott (wrongfully convicted, sentenced to death at age 14, then 'reduced' to life in prison, imprisoned for sever decades) is proof enough for me to not support the death penalty. Everyone always says you have to break a couple eggs to make an omelette. Just as long as you are prepared to be the first egg broken. I'm not willing to potentially give up my life just so society can take someone elses.

You do realize that the taliban is in Afghanistan, which is not Iraq. Secondly, we are not involved in Iraq, so its a moot point.



Relevance?
Christians murder. Jews murder. Agnostics murder. Hindus murder. What does it all mean? Every group has their crazies, and trying to further demonize societies current target is fruitless.



While this is an extraordinary case (being this clear cut), going Wild West as a justice policy seems foolish. Crime stats for the US vs. Canada in violent crimes is quite different. Death penalties have proven to not deter violent crimes, and the amount of wrongful convictions is further reason to avoid it. Cases like David Milgaard (wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for 23 years) and Steven Prescott (wrongfully convicted, sentenced to death at age 14, then 'reduced' to life in prison, imprisoned for sever decades) is proof enough for me to not support the death penalty. Everyone always says you have to break a couple eggs to make an omelette. Just as long as you are prepared to be the first egg broken. I'm not willing to potentially give up my life just so society can take someone elses.

I am afraid you would feel much differently if that was your 22 year old son on the bus.
In case you are not aware, regardless of location and of country,a large portion of the Muslim community hate and have no tolerance of any christian religion and or belief system (which is what our countries were founded on).
So most likely you will see more of this "hate" crime in the future. How do you propose to deal with that sort of terrosism in our legal system?

I would have shot him dead on the spot during his 2 hour escapade in front of the police officers while he was cannabalising the victims body and shaking his dismembered head out the window. That is true terroism in every respect of the word.

So to compare this crime that was played out in front of a full bus load of people and 50+ police officers ( Who will never be the same!) to David Milguard, and Steven Prescott is absolutely assanine.

In this situation there is no question of guilt but only of punishment for his crime.

Death penalties have proven to not deter violent crimes, and the amount of wrongful convictions is further reason to avoid it.
A couple of points. punishment for crimes is not necessarily meant to be a deterrent but rather a punishment. Now one can argue that the death penalty is a deterrent. The guy/gal that's put to death will never do it again!!
Cases like David Milgaard (wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for 23 years) and Steven Prescott (wrongfully convicted, sentenced to death at age 14, then 'reduced' to life in prison, imprisoned for sever decades) is proof enough for me to not support the death penalty.

A couple of points. punishment for crimes is not necessarily meant to be a deterrent but rather a punishment. Now one can argue that the death penalty is a deterrent. The guy/gal that's put to death will never do it again!!
There have been some wrongful convictions. For most of them the way we have figured out that they were wrong was through the increased technologies of today i.e. DNA testing. So the argument of wrongful convictions have less weight now that defense attorneys and Prosecutors have more tools at their dispense.
Another question, If Prescott was wrongfully convicted why was his sentence reduced to life instead of being thrown out all together?

^^^ Prescott is out of jail and I think he is looking for some money from the federal gov.

^^^ Prescott is out of jail and I think he is looking for some money from the federal gov.
Oh ok. That wasn't clear in the previous post.

^^^ Prescott is out of jail and I think he is looking for some money from the federal gov.

Good thing you clarified that... I was going to point out that Charles Manson's death sentence was commuted to life. Didn't make him innocent.

Good thing you clarified that... I was going to point out that Charles Manson's death sentence was commuted to life. Didn't make him innocent.

but having Manson alive does allow people to see that he was/is a homocidal sociopath, and he was unable to make himself into a martyr.
BTW, with the current laws in place, putting someone to death is quite a bit more expensive to the taxpayers, than having him serve a life sentence. mandatory appeals with all the associated court costs, plus special housing for death row inmates, etc. is very expensive, so for anyone who uses the cost of housing and feeding criminals as their reason for being pro-capital punishment, that reasoning is flawed. the average death row inmate spends around 12 years there, before his sentence is carried out, but 20 year waits are not uncommon.

BTW, with the current laws in place, putting someone to death is quite a bit more expensive to the taxpayers, than having him serve a life sentence. mandatory appeals with all the associated court costs, plus special housing for death row inmates, etc. is very expensive, so for anyone who uses the cost of housing and feeding criminals as their reason for being pro-capital punishment, that reasoning is flawed. the average death row inmate spends around 12 years there, before his sentence is carried out, but 20 year waits are not uncommon.
Yea that is where our laws are flawed. Everyone should get one appeal. If after that appeal there is absolutely no doubt we should drop em as they leave the courtroom. That's where we save on tax dollars. There is no real reason for these appeals to go on and on unless the accused can show some doubt in his/her guilt.

Yea that is where our laws are flawed. Everyone should get one appeal. If after that appeal there is absolutely no doubt we should drop em as they leave the courtroom. That's where we save on tax dollars. There is no real reason for these appeals to go on and on unless the accused can show some doubt in his/her guilt.

but that is an 'if' that will likely never change. like it or not, criminals who are sentenced to death will probably always get the full slate of appeals and special treatment that will cost taxpayers more than life in prison.
so if you're pro-capital punishment, you need to stop using the 'save the taxpayers money' stuff, because it's simply not the case now and will probably never be.

so if you're pro-capital punishment, you need to stop using the 'save the taxpayers money' stuff, because it's simply not the case now and will probably never be.
well what I said was;
Execute him quickly and inhumanely!! This way less tax dollars are spent housing scum like this.
Then show the Execution video to high school kids. That'll get their attention!!
No matter how long it takes, I'm still for capitol punishment of murderers, those convicted of multiple violent crimes including violent rape, child rape, and the raping of the elderly. Heck even repeat theft offenders. These folks have no right breathing up our oxygen.
Just think of the carbon credits we could earn by snuffing out the worst of society!![laugh]
Not statutory rape though. I can't see convicting a 19 yr old kid for having consensual sex with his 16 yr old girl friend. Maybe give her dad 15 or 20 mins alone with him.[dummy]

Not statutory rape though. I can't see convicting a 19 yr old kid for having consensual sex with his 16 yr old girl friend. Maybe give her dad 15 or 20 mins alone with him.[dummy]

as a father, i can say with a high degree of certainty, that it would take less than 5 minutes to get my 'point' across. after 15-20 minutes, an open casket would certainly be out of the question for the unfortunate young gentleman.

as a father, i can say with a high degree of certainty, that it would take less than 5 minutes to get my 'point' across. after 15-20 minutes, an open casket would certainly be out of the question for the unfortunate young gentleman.

Two things to remember though Chipmonk 1. It was consensual between the two of them, and it is only 3 years. 2. You have to remember that you were that age once yourself. (now my daughter is only 3 years old, so I have a few worry free years left[laugh]) But getting back to the topic at hand I say If you take a life in any way shape or form, then you forfit your life in return. Now will it bring the dead back, no. But that is not the point. The only punishment that fits a killing is a killing.

as a father, i can say with a high degree of certainty, that it would take less than 5 minutes to get my 'point' across. after 15-20 minutes, an open casket would certainly be out of the question for the unfortunate young gentleman.
I concede my 15-20 and yield to the gentleman's 5 minutes. [coffee]
Yea I feel lucky I have 2 grown daughters and as far as I know there was no under age sexual activity. We maintained some pretty strict and structured rules. There were lots of rewards for doing the right thing and massive repercussions for not! It didn't many correctional moments for them to learn what actions were not in their best interests. Of course we started disciplining our girls at around 18 months. Also known as the terrible TWO's!! [director]

Two things to remember though Chipmonk 1. It was consensual between the two of them, and it is only 3 years.
My daughters were not allowed to date ANYONE more than 1 yr ahead of them.
That rule was non negotiable!!
2. You have to remember that you were that age once yourself.
I remember and I was deathly afraid of knocking up any girl let alone a minor after I turned 18. It's a respect thing. Knocking up a man's minor child says that you don't respect him. That's why dad needs a little respect building time with the guy.
But getting back to the topic at hand I say If you take a life in any way shape or form, then you forfit your life in return.
With the exceptions of Self defense, the defense of other, defending your property, or the defense of your country. I know that's a gimme but I had to point it out anyway.
Now will it bring the dead back, no. But that is not the point. The only punishment that fits a killing is a killing.
100% agreement!!

[QUOTE=capt.Ron;2173763]A couple of points. punishment for crimes is not necessarily meant to be a deterrent but rather a punishment. Now one can argue that the death penalty is a deterrent. The guy/gal that's put to death will never do it again!!

I agree Ron. Even if it were the case that the death penalty was no deterrent to others at all, justice must be served. It is completely irrelevant whether or not criminals learn from the punishment of other criminals that went before them. You cannot set out a system of justice based on whether or not fools and idiots will see the judgment of others and learn thereby.

Perfect justice was laid out for us.

DEUT 19:21 "Your eye shall not pity: life shall be for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

My daughters were not allowed to date ANYONE more than 1 yr ahead of them.
That rule was non negotiable!!

I remember and I was deathly afraid of knocking up any girl let alone a minor after I turned 18. It's a respect thing. Knocking up a man's minor child says that you don't respect him. That's why dad needs a little respect building time with the guy.

With the exceptions of Self defense, the defense of other, defending your property, or the defense of your country. I know that's a gimme but I had to point it out anyway.

100% agreement!!

Some very good points that I did overlook. But I agree 100% also.

We need to bring back public hangings. No more of this sitting on death row for 20 year stuff. If some one saw you do it or were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt you should hang immediately.

In case you are not aware, regardless of location and of country,a large portion of the Muslim community hate and have no tolerance of any christian religion and or belief system (which is what our countries were founded on).
So most likely you will see more of this "hate" crime in the future. How do you propose to deal with that sort of terrosism in our legal system?

First, this is an isolated case. This man is an immigrant from China (not sure how prevalent Islam is there), so trying to link him to Muslim extremism is misleading. Like I said before, there are crazies in every group. Second, how are we defining hate crimes these days? Is every murder or assault, thats not aimed at the same group thats dishing it out, a hate crime? Third, before accused went to the back of the bus, he was reportedly sitting with the victim's ex girlfriend. So to say this is a hate crime is very premature.


I would have shot him dead on the spot during his 2 hour escapade in front of the police officers while he was cannabalising the victims body and shaking his dismembered head out the window. That is true terroism in every respect of the word.

As far as I understood, terrorism is driven by political motivations to forward a certain goal. There is usually demands that could be met to avoid the situation, as well as some warning. How an unwarranted attack with no warning or real motivation is terrorism is beyond me. Did it terrorize the people on that bus? Absolutely. Is everyone running out to buy poly and duct tape? I haven't seen it yet.

So to compare this crime that was played out in front of a full bus load of people and 50+ police officers ( Who will never be the same!) to David Milguard, and Steven Prescott is absolutely assanine.

In this situation there is no question of guilt but only of punishment for his crime.

My point is that capital punishment is a permanent move, which can't be righted when wrongs are made. The two cases I mentioned earlier were to show that mistakes are made, and at least they can be partially atoned many years after the fact.

A couple of points. punishment for crimes is not necessarily meant to be a deterrent but rather a punishment. Now one can argue that the death penalty is a deterrent. The guy/gal that's put to death will never do it again!!
There have been some wrongful convictions. For most of them the way we have figured out that they were wrong was through the increased technologies of today i.e. DNA testing. So the argument of wrongful convictions have less weight now that defense attorneys and Prosecutors have more tools at their dispense.
Another question, If Prescott was wrongfully convicted why was his sentence reduced to life instead of being thrown out all together?

We say DNA is infallible now. Just as fingerprints were decades ago. And how could an eye witness be wrong? There is circumstantial evidence that is given too much weight just because it is DNA, since 'DNA is never wrong'.

Steven Truscott (I must apologize, I had his last name wrong, although several knew who I was meaning) was 14 when he was convicted and sentenced to hang. Being as young as he was, they reduced it to life. In the last couple years (01, I believe) he was exonerated of the crimes. Sorry I wasn't clear with that earlier.

Yea that is where our laws are flawed. Everyone should get one appeal. If after that appeal there is absolutely no doubt we should drop em as they leave the courtroom. That's where we save on tax dollars. There is no real reason for these appeals to go on and on unless the accused can show some doubt in his/her guilt.

This is where I again refer to Milgaard and Truscott. They maintained their innocense from they day they were charged. No one believed them except for a select few, who went to bat for them. So who is to say that there IS NO doubt after any appeal? Very rarely will a case be open an shut. If they were all cut and dry, I would very much be a proponent of the death penalty. But not when there is a risk of killing an innocent man.



DEUT 19:21 "Your eye shall not pity: life shall be for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

If its an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, what do we all lose when we kill an innocent man? Or are we all absolved, as none of us pulled the trigger?

I am afraid you would feel much differently if that was your 22 year old son on the bus.

You might feel differently if your 22 year old son was put to death for a crime he didn't commit.

Tate, you bring up some valid points. as far as being guilty beyond reasonable doubt, would eyewitness testimony pass the test? there was a man released from prison recently, where he had served more than a decade for a very violent sexual assault, and the victim had picked him out of a line up and identified him in open court as her attacker. he managed to convince a lawyer of his innocence, and he spent years trying to find some shred of evidence that could help his new client (he took the case pro bono). at some point he became aware that there was a box of evidence that the police and prosecutors had not made the defense aware of at the time of trial (something that prosecutors are NOT allowed to do), and in it contained an item of the victim's clothing that turns out had some bodily fluids on it from the attacker, and after DNA testing, it did not match the suspect but did match the DNA on file of another man with an extensive criminal history. long story short (if that's possible at this stage), the guy is finally released from prison (after over 10 years), the woman is horrified at her mistake of identifying the wrong man (she says it haunts her more than the attack itself), and the police and prosecutor's office may have charges filed against them for intentionally hiding evidence that could have exhonorated the man in the first place.
had he been put to death based on the victim's eyewitness testimony and picking him out of a line up, which most people would say was beyond any reasonable doubt, everyone would be saying they're sorry to a tombstone, instead of having a live person that can live out the rest of his life.
i will repeat what Tate said in his post- what if it was your son's life on the line, for a crime that you know he did not commit but was found guilty of? would you be so cavalier about insisting on a quick execution?
just something to think about.

Two things to remember though Chipmonk 1. It was consensual between the two of them, and it is only 3 years. 2. You have to remember that you were that age once yourself. (now my daughter is only 3 years old, so I have a few worry free years left[laugh])

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying what i'd do to the kid would be what he deserved legally, i'm just saying that's what i'd do to the kid.

as a father, i can say with a high degree of certainty, that it would take less than 5 minutes to get my 'point' across. after 15-20 minutes, an open casket would certainly be out of the question for the unfortunate young gentleman.

You and I think the same way. I too am a father. As far as the legal mumbo jumbo is concerned, in this situation The murderer should not have left the bus alive.

There is no benefit to this individual or to society to try and rehabilitate him.

Tate, you are completely missing the point.... There is no question of guilt IN THIS CASE.
I understand and see where you ae coming from but that cannot apply to this crime, because there is no question of innocence here!.

He cannot be rehabilitated, and he is a complete danger to society.
As far as Muslims in china... If you think the Muslim faith is only Privy to the middle east, think again and ask anyone from England.

Is there a relevance ? maybe or maybe not, but it would definately cause one to think of his motivation in this crime, There are several wars going on right now based on this religion/faith and their hatred for western civilization.

Again I see your point... But in this situation I don't buy into it .

You and I think the same way. I too am a father. As far as the legal mumbo jumbo is concerned, in this situation The murderer should not have left the bus alive.

There is no benefit to this individual or to society to try and rehabilitate him.

amazing how insane we can get when someone messes with our families (especially the girls).

i completely understand you point. in this case the crime was nothing short of savage, and there's no doubt as to this guy's guilt.

When we talk about our families and don't mess with them. I speak with real experience. My 17 year old daughter went missing from a bus stop September 26, 2001. We have never found her. I would not like the person or persons responsible to go to jail or to be put to death. I would much prefer that the perpetrators live with me. I would ensure them a long long life. But I am sure they would beg me to kill them.

When we talk about our families and don't mess with them. I speak with real experience. My 17 year old daughter went missing from a bus stop September 26, 2001. We have never found her. I would not like the person or persons responsible to go to jail or to be put to death. I would much prefer that the perpetrators live with me. I would ensure them a long long life. But I am sure they would beg me to kill them.

i can't express in words how much my heart goes out to you.
sometimes i get really scared when i think how many bad people are in this world, who would do my children harm without a second thought.

When we talk about our families and don't mess with them. I speak with real experience. My 17 year old daughter went missing from a bus stop September 26, 2001. We have never found her. I would not like the person or persons responsible to go to jail or to be put to death. I would much prefer that the perpetrators live with me. I would ensure them a long long life. But I am sure they would beg me to kill them.
OMG!!!
My apologies are no where near enough. I can't possibly imagine what you're dealing with but I can relate to your desires in caring for the person responsible.

When we talk about our families and don't mess with them. I speak with real experience. My 17 year old daughter went missing from a bus stop September 26, 2001. We have never found her. I would not like the person or persons responsible to go to jail or to be put to death. I would much prefer that the perpetrators live with me. I would ensure them a long long life. But I am sure they would beg me to kill them.

I am so sorry for you loss. Nothing I can say will make it better, but my prayers are with you.

Thank you fellas for your condolences. After being stuck inside a liquor bottle for about 5 years, I am finding my way out of it and carrying on.

Tate, you are completely missing the point.... There is no question of guilt IN THIS CASE.
I understand and see where you ae coming from but that cannot apply to this crime, because there is no question of innocence here!.

He cannot be rehabilitated, and he is a complete danger to society.
As far as Muslims in china... If you think the Muslim faith is only Privy to the middle east, think again and ask anyone from England.

Is there a relevance ? maybe or maybe not, but it would definately cause one to think of his motivation in this crime, There are several wars going on right now based on this religion/faith and their hatred for western civilization.

Again I see your point... But in this situation I don't buy into it .


There was word of the victims g/f being involved in this. If you kill the accused, then nothing will come to light about motivations. Maybe it was a random attack, but maybe it wasn't. Hopefully, details will come out in court. Justice should be served to all involved, but just the perpetrator.

I'm aware that Islam is a global religion, just as Christianity. Statistically speaking, you are not as likely to pick a muslim out of China as you would another religion. Just as you would be more likely to pick a christian out of north america than a muslim. To lump all muslims together as fanatics bent on destroying western civilation is just as appropriate as lumping all whites as KKK members tryin to 'purify' the world.



Clayten, I'm truely sorry to hear your loss.

Clayten, our prayers go to you and your families.I am sorry for your loss.

There was word of the victims g/f being involved in this. If you kill the accused, then nothing will come to light about motivations. Maybe it was a random attack, but maybe it wasn't. Hopefully, details will come out in court. Justice should be served to all involved, but just the perpetrator.

I'm aware that Islam is a global religion, just as Christianity. Statistically speaking, you are not as likely to pick a muslim out of China as you would another religion. Just as you would be more likely to pick a christian out of north america than a muslim. To lump all muslims together as fanatics bent on destroying western civilation is just as appropriate as lumping all whites as KKK members tryin to 'purify' the world.



Clayten, I'm truely sorry to hear your loss.

Nope, no the victims G/F was not involved (the police issued a statement about that rumour) . He was texting her back home right before being murdered.

As far as your last statement and comparison "its an apples to oranges comparison".

To think we would not have Muslim sympathisers on this side of the continent is Naive to say the least.