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Old 06-02-2005, 09:08 PM
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stacking chips

i was wondering since i allready have a edge comp box if i were to buy a super chips micro tuner would it add even more power or no??
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Don't really know any of the technical stuff, but the diesel shop I take my truck to has 3 boxes stacked on their pulling truck
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IMHO, wouldn't add enough to warrant the cost.


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Chips either add fuel, increase timing or both.

Stacking two chips that both add timing could damage you engine.

The edge comp adds timing, I don't know if the Super Chips does or not.

I recall reading a thread where someone stacked a Banks Ottomind and an Edge EZ and melted a piston I believe.

There is also a thread on the MAD ECM which is a reflash of the stock computer. They now have two versions - the original version that includes additional timing and the "Special" one for the Edge Comp without the added timing.

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I have had no personal experience with this nor do I have any expertise in this area. However, from what I have read here and on another forum, I would be cautious

Good luck
Old 06-03-2005, 09:47 AM
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It's a bad idea.

I did it on my truck,

Mad ECM, SuperChips tuner (How did that work, I don't know, but it felt beter), and a Drag COMP.

That lasted about 5,000 miles before I literally sent my VP44 up in smoke. I think too much timing sent the timing solenoid too far over, and burned it up.

My motor was fine, besides a crack on the bottom of one cylinder, running around almost to a main (see my gallery for a pic), which I feel was completely unrelated to the excessive timing.

My truck sounded like it had about 25* running down the road. Lots, and lots of clatter, but excellent throttle "tip-in", but was a dog at WOT, untill the boost went over 50psi.


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P.S. When my VP44 went up in smoke,, it literally had smoke pouring from the rear of it.
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now im worried,i stacked my older van aaken box with my comp,only on 3/3 though.it sounded fine,excl throttle response.ive unpluged the vanaaken now.hope everything is fine.no codes either.i asked about timming in this forum and got no replies so i tried it.seems to run smooth and very responsive.the smoking vp44 freaks me out.
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I know some guys on here have an Edge EZ (for timing) stacked onto their TST (fuel only) box. I have thought about this, but there are other things to take care of first.....plus the MadECM is looking like a better option every day than a second chip/box.
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Moose,

I have the TST PM3 and added the MAD ECM.
The addition of the MAD made the truck more responsive at lower RPMs.

I never had an EZ, so I can't compare the two different combinations.
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as long as teh box you are adding doesn't have timing, you can add it.

I have three timing adding boxes on my truck, although, I'm not sure how well the Mad ECM, and SuperChip combo actually worked.



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I run a drag comp with the superchips on perf tow, if I was looking for more power only I would spend the money on nozzles, you can get some big-un's for 250ish and then you can toast some hard parts with the best of em'. the tuner is great for adjusting speedo and code reading but it is no comparison to some 150 horse sticks.
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