with people adding WMO to their tanks, is this waste diesel oil, or any oil from a gasser? will a gasser work since it's different types of oils?

and also what kind of store can I get cheesecloth from?

Not really sure what you are after here. I would think any oil will work, but all of it would be illegal. Cheese cloth is available at my local grocery store.

Keep in mind -- "black fuel" and "Red fuel" can net you the same amount in fines. If you are burning something that you aren't paying road-use taxes on and get caught, it gets expensive. If you want to burn used oil (whether fryer or motor) then you should keep track of the amount in gallons, and pay the road-use tax directly to the state to stay legal. If you make your own biodiesel, same thing unless ALL miles are offroad and exempt.

Remember: Even if you pay the taxes, it is WAY cheaper than station bought fuel, so why not ante up your share of the road use money?

sorry buddy, but not true. they cannot bust you for using home made bio diesel or waste veggie oil. that have not yet taxed that.
they are only nailing folks for using OFF road diesel in ON road vehicles.

They have in Iowa City, IA after an idiot went on a radio program and the newspaper to brag about how much he was saving in his Rabbit. If you buy it for fuel at a station, it is taxed. If you make your own and you don't pay and they catch you, you are fined and audited.

you're talking about the old retired couple that was making his own for years right? so nice of them to go after someone on social security who is actually saving fuel.

Are you talking about the couple in IL?? Some couple got busted a couple of month back. HHMMMMM.....Lets see here. Ah here it is:

http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt (http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt)

This is bogus! Better not get this started going in the political arena!

Jon

I heard about this sinful problem in Iowa when it first happened almost two months ago but not a word since.
I'm thinking the state quietly backed off to avoid negative publicity.

Doesn't it vary state to state? I haven't heard of anybody around here paying taxes on the home brewed biodiesel that they use or the wvo.

Doesn't it vary state to state? I haven't heard of anybody around here paying taxes on the home brewed biodiesel that they use or the wvo.Don't think any laws have been really considered, but you can be sure that they will.
In order to make it fair it will have to be based on miles travelled on public roads, not gallons. Electric cars should have to pay the same as any run on WVO or homemade BD. If the government supports alternative fuels, as they should, road taxes shouldn't apply in order to encourage widespread use.

good points bill. but they will probably use the taxes paid on your home electricity bill to cover the e car part.

in GA they only look for offroad diesel. In all my years, I have never seen a traffic stop to check diesel, but I don't know about the waypoints. They might check it there. Ga is pretty lax about the fuel here.

you're talking about the old retired couple that was making his own for years right? so nice of them to go after someone on social security who is actually saving fuel.

Nope. Some college student with an older VW, filtering WVO for use, and promoting the benefits. He was interviewed on local Public Radio, then articles in the newspaper, etc. Next thing we read, the State has brought up tax evasion charges and audited his fuel records to see how much he has been cheating the State out of.

My intent wasn't to get the subject political -- I just want people to be aware there are possible negative consequences to very good ideas. I have read about truckers getting hit with dip-checks, being fined for "black fuel" just like I have read "red fuel." Didn't Peterbuilt have an automatic oil replacing system on some rigs for awhile, that would burn used motor oil at a certain rate, replacing the amount in the crankcase with fresh oil?

Best advise is to keep a low profile.. You are speaking of "blending" not Bio diesel production. I don't think you will have any tax liability.

Don't think any laws have been really considered, but you can be sure that they will.
In order to make it fair it will have to be based on miles travelled on public roads, not gallons. Electric cars should have to pay the same as any run on WVO or homemade BD.But that would make too much sense. I work for a company that sells propane. We run diesel powered trucks because propane for road use is taxed by the gallon even though a gallon takes you about 1/3 as far. To be fair it should be taxed on BTU value, not by volume.

Didn't Peterbuilt have an automatic oil replacing system on some rigs for awhile, that would burn used motor oil at a certain rate, replacing the amount in the crankcase with fresh oil?
Cummins used to have a system called Centinel that did the same thing. It's no longer availible in the US due to emissions laws.
More info from Cummins' Australian website http://www.cumminsengine.com.au/au/pages/en/customersupport/increaseyouruptime/extendedlifeproducts/centinel_data.html

I was readin up on the forum, and saw people used coffee filters to get out the chunks out of the oil. And I got bored this evenin and decided to see if it actually works. Nixed that idea in bout 2 minutes. way to slow, and not worth the time. I think I'll just keep on thinkin of gettin a pump to pump it through a filter. I'm thinkin of this pump

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4097

but what kind of filter should I put infront of it to filter the oil?? think a smaller clear fuel filter would work? I really have no clue, what do yall think would work here??

snapper, motoroil hyd gear oil as long as it is mineral not synthetic.

I hate the high prices of fuel as bad as anyone else does but what is the real benefit of dumping motor oil in the tank here?
Does it up the MPG enough to make it worth while?
Is it better for the engine?
Is that oil burning up completely and not coking up on your turbo?
What it it doing to the cat on a newer engine?
What does it do to the emissions from the engine?
Is it worth the hassle of getting caught?

Just curious here..
I'm thinking of a two stroke weed eater engine and what it does. That is why Stihl and others are building four stroke weed eater and other small engines to clean up the emissions.

snapper i'm using a fillrite 18q50psi 115 volt pump that is designed to pump WMO not water! i pump thru a perma-cool 2 micron water seperator before going into my tanks.

ok found the perma-cool, sounds like it works pretty good, with a good pump, did you get the kit, or the filter with male or female ends?? I know now where to buy the separator, but then it's the connections, which shouldn't be hard, but I could not find the pump online. seems like the separator is a good deal though.

standard pipe nipples get em anywhere

Snapper is correct about GA being LAX. That is why all of the Revenue agents have been checking at various Weigh Stations, the color of the fuel.

Black Diesel will NOT get you in ntrouble, unless you are hiding something. You can legally by Federal Law burn up to 7 % capacity of burnt or WMO. Cummins still has on some trucks, a system that slowly burns oil & just replaces it from a tank mounted behind the cab. I used to drive one like that.

It does not COKE up the pumps or Injectors AT all. It improves the lube value of your fuel. It gives you more HP, because it rquires more heat to make it reach its flash point, as opposed to straight diesel. It will make your VP44 last a long time. I have been doing it for probably 5 years, just to get rid of it. Now I use it to mask the red fuel I use.
The last ime I was checked in My Big Truck, I was lucky, had filled up the day before with HWY fuel. The Revenue agent told me, that they did not care IN GA if you run burnt motor oil, as long as he could not detect a red tint to the fuel. Many of the guys who race diesel use it with their fuel mixes. I don't even filter mine except from one bucket to another, thru a T shirt. Balk at it all you want. I haven't replaced a LP or VP in about 5 years. I also pay less for my fuel this way. It also runs great in my GF's VW TDI. I am going to continue using it more & more. I pay taxes on it, when I or someone else buys it. It is called SALES TAX.