I have the Edge Comp in the garage, waiting to be installed but a buddy wants to buy it off of me and put it in his 2001.. If I sell it to him and get a smarty will I be missing out on a lot or does the smarty have the same power gains??? Im not looking for all out power, yet. should I make the deal or stay with the edge comp??? Whats your opinion???

keep it. you need both to stack together:cool: .

Keep it and use both of them together. I just put the smarty on my truck two days ago and you won't believe the difference in power. I'm running the Edge Drag Comp with my smarty - awesome combination.

.....Im not looking for all out power, yet.
If that's true, and you can get your money out of the Comp, I'd make the deal. The Comp has more power on the top end but the Smarty is, IMO, a better driving experience for daily usage.
You will eventually want a non timing box, like the TST, stacked with the Smarty.... after you upgrade your clutch!

The Smarty (even setting for no timing) stacked on an Edge box is nice... but using the Smarty's timing (odd settings) on a 'fueling only' box is smoother and even better. So says Marco, developer of the Smarty, who tested both. I love my combo, and many that have tried Smarty both ways agree with Marco!

Staying with the Comp, and no Smarty, will be cheaper.... and not a bad way to go, depending on what HP level your headed for!
Your money.....your choice :)

RJ

I would sell the Comp and get the Smarty for now. Then when you are ready for more go with the Quad Xzillaraider, it's a very nice box and will give you all the power you need for alot less money than a comp, TST, or Blue Chip.

Keep the comp! When I bought my Smarty at IRP, we loaded it on a friends dually w/ 5-speed, comp box with wire tapped, and 100 horsepower injectors....... it was WICKED!!!!! :o We couldn't keep the rear end of the truck planted while making turns and givin her some throttle. He was so happy, then I reset his truck to stock, then he was sad. Anyway if the TST stack is better than the comp box, then I really need to ride in a truck with that combination. I've got the comp and smarty and can't wait for my warranty on my injection pump to expire, then it'll be time to tap the pump wire. Let the coal and tire smoke roll man!

Sell the Comp and buy a Juice with Attitude. Then, eventually buy the Smarty too.

Sell the Comp and buy a Juice with Attitude. Then, eventually buy the Smarty too.

Why?? They make the same power!

Chris

For the six speed HO trucks, your not going to see the comp box 120rwhp power increase as the SO trucks do. I would run the smarty. Don't get me wrong. I've ran both and I still use only my comp box. The smarty does to many things that I just don't like. Throttle thing, just bugs me. It messes up my kick down on my tranny which would lead to you killing your tranny. The torque that smarty makes off the line is wild. I don't know if your going to make anymore power running a smarty over stock but the power comes on so much sooner than comp box does. The smarty truck seems to lay down at wot vs. the comp box truck. A drag box/smarty combo on a SO truck is a hot package, hard on trannies though. I also found that the smarty dumps more smoke than the comp box. The injection pump advance at idle is increased as the idle quality changes. This isn't an issue for you stick guys. Guys running low stall converter you will find that the truck will work your brakes more when waiting for a light change.

Why?? They make the same power!

Chris
Because the Juice has a smoother and stronger bottom end, full guages, and full warning systems. Plus, on the Juice the drag version has a level 6, not a modified level 5 on the Drag Comp. With the Juice you have 0-5 like the Comp PLUS level 6 drag setting.

I actually still use level 5 a lot, most of the time I don't want the smoke and high end the Hot level provides. You can't have level 5 like that with the Drag Comp box.

I vote for the Smarty. I showed Mike Holmen my truck with and without the Smarty, and the difference is huge. The truck was a dog without it, wouldn't smoke, wouldn't make as much boost, nor as quick. It definitely makes driving much more fun, and the diagnostic stuff is handy for those of us who can't do the 3-key cycle for codes.

Comp will outpower the smarty if you tap the pump wire.

Tate, you talking about running no box, no smarty and my spool-up? My ecm was to blame. It spools ok, not as good as the smarty and comp box. The smarty wakes up my mid range pretty good, the power is there all the way from idle to 120mph. Before I had to get into 3rd to feel the pull-power. I've dynoed my truck with a comp box and drag box. The power was within 10rwhp. Yes the drag box wakes up the top end rpm's nicely but really how often you run 2800 rpm's? I get nervious bouncing down the hiway at 100mph in my 4x4.

Tate, you talking about running no box, no smarty and my spool-up? My ecm was to blame. It spools ok, not as good as the smarty and comp box. The smarty wakes up my mid range pretty good, the power is there all the way from idle to 120mph. Before I had to get into 3rd to feel the pull-power. I've dynoed my truck with a comp box and drag box. The power was within 10rwhp. Yes the drag box wakes up the top end rpm's nicely but really how often you run 2800 rpm's? I get nervious bouncing down the hiway at 100mph in my 4x4.

No, I was talking about that first run out of town in my truck without the Smarty on it. Would only boost up to 25 psi and was pretty slow feeling. Which was weird, considering when I dynoed in December, without the Smarty I could still hit 35 psi and smoke a good amount. Power wasn't as high without it, obviously.

Sell the Comp, get the Smarty and add some big injectors. Depending on your goal, this might be the best combo out there!

I have run with the Comp/Smarty and the TST/Smarty. The TST/Smarty is the best. I'd bet that the guys saying Comp/Smarty haven't been in or driven a truck with the TST/Smarty combo.

Currently, I'm very happy with the injector/Smarty combo. Lenny (DDP) drove it and it put a big smile on his face!

get the smarty and save for a tst, i love my smarty and wouldnt get rid of it for anything helps my turbos spool and soon im upgrading my 62/14ss to a 64/14 so the timing will help.

I second that bit about the Juice pulling harder than the comp on the bottom end. Another thing to think about is when you eventully have a bombed truck, it is nice to have a comp or Juice so you put it on one of the three defuel levels so you don't smoke out the whole block every time you get a green light. I'm only running RV 275's and the smoke is annoying when I don't have my Juice on sub level one. FYI, the sub levels require a certain boost pressure at the map sensor before they allow the box to bump up the fueling curve. A smarty cannot do that. I love smoke as much as the next guy, but I don't like worrying about cops or mother's pushing strollers everytime I take off at a light. Now, put the Juice or Comp on 5x5 with some sticks, even small ones, holy SMOKE!!!

I have no issue controlling smoke with my set up. Just have to be careful and aware of starting from a stop. Now if I have some knucklehead riding my tailgate.......I can certainly affect his vision!!

I have no issue controlling smoke with my set up. Just have to be careful and aware of starting from a stop. Now if I have some knucklehead riding my tailgate.......I can certainly affect his vision!!

Exactly, drive on the smoke threshhold, instead of having a box limit you. Thats what I like about the Smarty, removes those limits and lets you decide. 99% of the time, there is no smoke coming from my truck. And it doesn't feel like a pig below 10 psi and then just hits you. I hated that about the comp.

... FYI, the sub levels require a certain boost pressure at the map sensor before they allow the box to bump up the fueling curve. A smarty cannot do that.
Smarty does do that...just not tied to boost settings.
Lower numbered Smarty settings come in more gradually. Acts like it is tied to APPS instead of boost... but not sure.

But low smarty settings do fuel harder than low Edge settings.

RJ

Sell the Comp, get the Smarty and add some big injectors. Depending on your goal, this might be the best combo out there!

I have run with the Comp/Smarty and the TST/Smarty. The TST/Smarty is the best. I'd bet that the guys saying Comp/Smarty haven't been in or driven a truck with the TST/Smarty combo.

Currently, I'm very happy with the injector/Smarty combo. Lenny (DDP) drove it and it put a big smile on his face!

Mines better than yours. decisions, decisions,decisions.[director]

Mines better than yours. decisions, decisions,decisions.[director]

Not sure what you are getting at.....but when the guy (Marco) who invented the Smarty says the best box to use with the Smarty is a fueling only box (TST), the decision is easy. [duhhh] Add to that, I've had both in my truck and can speak from experience.

So your point is....?

How is the TST/smarty vs. comp/smarty better? The comp/smarty works pretty well. Sure wakes up the 1st and 2nd gear. The throttle peddle is only works for the first 1/4, after that there no gains. Sure messes up the tranny kick down. I'm planning on adjusting that I can get a earlier shift. I can see why the smarty is hard on clutches in comparison to the stock ecm program. The smarty adds to much timing and I see is black smoke and poor spool-ups. Once you have boost, ya you’re making more power. Someone has to make a good all in one program to work with a box. I think that edge timing advance is better controlled than the smarty.

Mike,

There has been issues with the Smarty and autos. Since I have a 6 spd, I haven't paid much attention to those. The way I have had it explained is the Smarty uses "dynamic" timing, the timing changes based on the input from the throttle and the Comp doesn't.

Once again, when the guy who designs, produces and distributes the Smarty says, "The Smarty works best with a non-timing box", I listen.

IMHO the TST/Smarty was smoother then the Comp/Smarty. I don't have any dyno numbers, just seat of the pants.

The Comp was good, I prefered the TST. The funny thing, I'm not running either one now. My combo of injectors, turbo and Smarty are exactly what I wanted and I'm happy with the performance.

Mike,

There has been issues with the Smarty and autos. Since I have a 6 spd, I haven't paid much attention to those. The way I have had it explained is the Smarty uses "dynamic" timing, the timing changes based on the input from the throttle and the Comp doesn't.

Once again, when the guy who designs, produces and distributes the Smarty says, "The Smarty works best with a non-timing box", I listen.

IMHO the TST/Smarty was smoother then the Comp/Smarty. I don't have any dyno numbers, just seat of the pants.

The Comp was good, I prefered the TST. The funny thing, I'm not running either one now. My combo of injectors, turbo and Smarty are exactly what I wanted and I'm happy with the performance.

Have you dynoed your truck with your current set-up yet? Inquiring minds want to know. [guitar]

Not yet, will do it middle of the month at DDP's event. I'm guessing that it will go down from my the numbers in my sig, but I'm happier with the daily driving performance.

I don't know if anyone else has had issues with a Smarty/ Hot Juice stack but a friend of mine had it on his 01 and level 6 would not work with the Smarty loaded. Level 5 worked fine but 6 would not. This was with the Smarty on even settings for no timing. A J/A is nice but I would not get it if I was planning on stacking with Smarty. Now a Drag Comp/Smarty and TST/Smarty stack will have you grinning from ear to ear.......but what would I know, I only have a P-pump. :D

I second that bit about the Juice pulling harder than the comp on the bottom end. Another thing to think about is when you eventully have a bombed truck, it is nice to have a comp or Juice so you put it on one of the three defuel levels so you don't smoke out the whole block every time you get a green light. I'm only running RV 275's and the smoke is annoying when I don't have my Juice on sub level one. FYI, the sub levels require a certain boost pressure at the map sensor before they allow the box to bump up the fueling curve. A smarty cannot do that. I love smoke as much as the next guy, but I don't like worrying about cops or mother's pushing strollers everytime I take off at a light. Now, put the Juice or Comp on 5x5 with some sticks, even small ones, holy SMOKE!!!

http://media.putfile.com/Smoking-60

A juice and 275's got nothing on 155's and a TST/Smarty combo. :D

http://media.putfile.com/Smoking-60

A juice and 275's got nothing on 155's and a TST/Smarty combo. :D

What about the true stokersmoker (THEBIGNASTY).

I have done some BETA testing for Marco and the COMP will work just fine with a Smarty with no timing added. With timing added via the Smarty it is just to much for the engine. However in testing YES the TST will work best with Smarty because its strickly a fueling box. But some have also brought up a good point. Sell the COMP and buy some Mach 4 injectors along with a Smarty and that will easly get you over 400hp.

A comp box can be a non timing box if you un-plug the wire to the VP pump. I still think that smarty timing isn't as good as the edge. I would like the smarty to run the stock timing at idle and increase at higher rpm's like the edge box you would have a winner. Timing seems to make more difference at the higher rpm's than at the lower. Too much smoke for me and spool-up is more sluggish. The smarty seems to have the same type of timing that the superchip programmer has. Tons of smoke for the gain that you get, in IMO.

A comp box can be a non timing box if you un-plug the wire to the VP pump.

I believe the timing.. or most of the timing comes from the 3 pin diagnostic connector at the pump... Same timing as you get when you use an EZ.. or run the Comp in EZ mode.. (no wire tapped.) The connection on the solenoid wire can also add timing, by changing the closing timing of the valve.. (When it closes it forces the fuel out the injectors.) I have no idea how (if any) much timing is being added by the soleniod..

*** Edit.. Mike were you talking about running the Comp with the 3 pin connector unplugged??? Never tried that...

Mike were you talking about running the Comp with the 3 pin connector unplugged??? Never tried that...
Bryan,
I beleive you are correct....and running with the 'Data Port' unplugged, leaves you with a Boost Fooler.... no fueling and no timing!

RJ

No I just unplugged the wire running to the VP. It thought that was the timing advance wire.[duhhh]
I'm currently just running the smarty #4, no comp box. My power is way down, but so is my smoke. I don't like how much the smarty advances my timing on the timing options. My truck seems to push harder when I'm on my brakes using the smarty timing at idle speeds. I also get more smoke and a slower spool-up. I think that it has something to do with the size of my injectors. I would like to adjust the timing advance so that I can use the smarty advance but not until my rpm's at above 1200 rpm's. I wish that we had EFI live for us 2nd gen. That way you could adjust the program until your happy.

From what I've heard the smarty actually retards timing at low boost in order to improve spool and advances from there. I've played with the different levels and definately have more boost sooner running the catcher softwares. But now that I'm running a cam the smarty spooling effect seems to be lessened and power has become more linear so I'm currently running sw3 to complement that. I'll switch back to sw9 soon enough just to be sure.

I'm now wondering how the cam effects the timing needs on a bombed ctd? :confused: