View Full Version : Possible new 5ver, Got some questions...
10-08-2002, 02:01 PM
Unfortunately the fall camper show was this past weekend and we got too see all the new '03 QUAD-SLIDE 5vers! They are awesome! ;D So the fiance likes two models in particular: first one is a Presidential by Holiday Rambler & the second is a Hitchhiker (don't remember model). Anyhow, both these rigs come in at a whopping 12-13500 dry & a GVW of about 16-17K. I think they were both 36 footers...<br><br>The dilema: I have an auto w/ a 3.54. [eyecrazy] I also have an Edge Comp. What else do I need to be able to pull one of these bad boys? VB, TC & Injectors? More than that? Less than that? Probably need a new hitch too! Since I only have a Reese 16K hitch now.... pin weight on those were 2000 - 2200. Ok, I can't think of anything else, so help me out guys! She says "whatever it takes, 'cause that's what she wants!" hehe... works for me! ;D<br><br>P.S. -- they have KING SIZE BEDS in them! That was awesome!! and a fireplace too! ;D<br><br>Thanks again,<br><br>Tony
10-08-2002, 06:59 PM
Tony:<br> Something just doesn't seem right there. I tow a 14K fiver now with a pin weight of 2600 and use a 15K lil rocker. No trouble. 15 K is the tow weight of the trailer, in your case 16K. I have never seen a 16K trailer with a pin weight of 2000-2200. I just ordered a 33' Teton with a pin weight of 2730. That's with in spec's for yours or mine. The 16 or 17K would be my worry. For the new trucks that would be close to the limit. <br><br> As for towing with your truck. Tranny fix and go.<br><br>..Preston..
10-08-2002, 07:38 PM
Ooops! Sorry, was a little light! Just looked at the brochure again... Ok, the HitchHiker 35CKQG hitch weight is 2400, 13260 UVW, 16400 GVWR & it's length is 36' 5". The Presidential 36SKQ hitch weight is 2230, UVW on the one we saw was 13400, GVW is 17000 & it's length is 37' 3". Hmmm... those numbers still seem light compared to yours?! ??? Interesting, check 'em out on the websites! Maybe i'm an idiot? hehe, but that's what I read! ;D What'cha think?<br><br>Tony<br>
10-09-2002, 07:36 AM
Tony,<br> You will easily pass 22 thou gross combined with either rig.<br> If not a mdt then i'd think the full tranny treatment, an exhaust brake, and the best controller you can get your hands on.<br> You will probably be watching temps real closely at that weight too, especially in hill country.<br> Otherwise, enjoy.<br><br>Bill
10-09-2002, 07:50 AM
MDT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>They do have those with Cummins engines!<br><br>SNOKING
10-09-2002, 08:57 AM
Uhhh... MDT?<br><br>Hopefully the Scotty II will solve the EGT problems! I'm glad it's not very hilly in MI! I only pull down south once a year, so that won't be too bad! Should I do the other tranny upgrades besides the VB & TC? Clutch packs or something like that?? (don't know squat about trannys) Controller? Is that for TC lockup? hehe... i'm an idiot about vehicles! [laugh] ;D<br><br>Thanks again!<br><br>Tony
10-09-2002, 10:19 AM
MDT = Medium Duty Truck.<br>You are at or over what the manufacturers limits are with a quad slide 36 ft fiver.<br><br>You will need an exhaust brake, controller for the trailer brakes, hi output washer fluid, George Foreman Grill, and directions to where we can come and help get that new 5er broke in. [laugh]<br><br>EH
10-09-2002, 10:50 AM
Ahhh, there's always a half-gallon of JD & a fifth of the Captain sailing with us! ;D Everyone's always welcome! ;D Never did bring the Foreman camping though... hahaha... Looks like i'm going to need one of them minnie semis too pull that rig eh? ;D
10-09-2002, 03:07 PM
You need a bigger truck or a smaller 5er.
10-09-2002, 03:29 PM
So *** are you supposed to get to pull all these new monsters??? ;D
10-10-2002, 06:42 PM
Tony:<br> I got the weights on mine from the truck scale. I weighed the truck empty, then with the fiver. The addition on the rear gave me a pin weight of 2640. Now that was with 50 gal's of water. <br><br> And on the controller, that is for the brakes. When you get one of those do not skimp on a cheapo. Get a good one.<br><br>..Preston.
10-10-2002, 09:29 PM
I currently use a Prodigy for my brake controller... is that not good enough? ???
10-11-2002, 07:54 AM
Tony,<br><br>My fiver is about 14,000 dry and empty. Loaded and wet I can hit 16000 - -I could go way over if not careful. You just have to be careful how much you put in it. Use some amount of restraint and some creativeness in what you put in it. Keep it under 16000 and you are good to go with a 2003 3500 HO w/4.10. <br><br>Take the little lady to see a Carriage unit. The construction is excellent. King bed is nice if you are 6"4". Fireplace??? Had one - - waste of money and storage space. Cute though. You don't want cute in an RV, it must be functional. Personally, I think 3 slides is plenty. Just one more thing to take care of and put in before hitting the road. One of my friends just went back to two slides because of the added bother. The main thing about slides is making sure the kitchen can be used and the bed used with slides in. You can then grab lunch, hit the fridge, use the john, grab some snores without having to put out the slides. Be sure they put the slides in and then contemplate using it like that before buying it. Sure are nice.<br><br>Bob
10-11-2002, 08:57 AM
Tony,<br> Sorry I had to leave in the middle of the discussion. MDT is a medium duty truck, next step up from one ton and just under semi status. They are made by F***, Ch****, International and Freightliner and yes, snoking, I've seen them with the 5.9 although the cat seems to predominate.<br> Tony, the prodigy is a very good controller and will work well. Pulling with the Cummins has never seemed to be a problem. The difficulty is stopping the combined weight. My combination runs just over 17 gross and even with the one ton rear brakes on the truck, a hard stop is a handful.<br> If you're still shopping, I think I'ld look to keep my gross under that 22 k figure. Other than that, keep the Captain handy, and we'll see you on the road.<br>Bill
10-11-2002, 09:24 AM
Appreciate all the responses! It looks like i'm going to be heading out in a few weeks to massdiesel for a DTT TC, VB, update kit, pac brake, smart controller, DDII's & a 4" Exhaust... ;D <br><br>Tony
10-11-2002, 09:34 AM
Tony,<br><br>Prodigy is a good controller. Don't overlook the Jordan. I switched after driving my friends with Jordan. I love it. It does exactly what I tell it to do by pushing down the brake pedal. It is a direct connection to the position of the brake pedal. Personal opinion after using both. If I didn't know about Jordan, I would have Prodigy.<br><br>Bob
10-11-2002, 10:03 AM
Tony,<br><br>I would suggest you get yourself over to one of the RV Forums and ask this question before you spend a lot of money "trying" to upgrade a truck that is not built to tow or stop those weights. <br><br>I would do "links" for you if I knew how, but two Forums that come to mind are rv.net.com and iRV2.com. There are many knowledgeable people on these forums pulling 5'rs the size you are talking about. Why not let them give you some feedback on their personal experience.<br><br>I'm not knocking the "Mighty Cummins" it is an awesom engine but there is more to it than the engine when towing. The 5'rs you are speaking of are really nice and even nicer when pulled with the right truck. (MDT!!!) Whatever you do be careful about recommedations made by the one selling you the 5'r.<br><br>
10-22-2002, 10:34 AM
Our 5ver has a GVWR of 13,500 lbs. Hitched up and heading down the road, we're running 10,380 lbs GVW (10,500 lbs GVWR) and 21,180 lbs GCW (21,500 lbs GCWR). No way I'd add 2,900 to 3,500 lbs to our 5ver's GVWR without going to a MDT, and my truck is rated higher than yours!<br><br>Rusty
10-22-2002, 11:43 AM
Tony,<br><br>Been mulling over your comments and thinking. I have to agree with Rusty. My unit is rated at just short of 17,000. I hold it to under 16,000. Been pulling it with a 2500 V10. Just does not feel good. It does OK, and if you don't push it, has lots of power, but does not give you that sense of having all under control. The last, lighter unit, no problem. <br><br>I would either go lighter or plan on a change of trucks. Can't wait for the new HO to get here so I can hit the road with some sense of comfort. Hey, maybe today. YEH!!! 8)<br><br>Bob
10-22-2002, 12:03 PM
Yeah... we were mulling over the length actually. 37' sounds like a PITA. I think we might look at the 34 or 35', i'm mostly interested in the king size bed and bigger corner shower! [laugh] I'm still heading out to massdiesel for my upgrades on the 14th though! Picked up a new digital cam so I can get some good shots of it all! Can't wait! ;D Thanks for all your input! Now can we kill this thread? [laugh]<br><br>Tony
You might want to also look at Alfa Leisure. They have Aluminun construction & a heavy duty I beam frame, 2-3 slides, some with King. Ours is a 98 Ideal, 11,800 dry, about 15800 gross. The Alfa's seem to come in somewhat lighter than competitors, but the differrence seem to be smaller as others copy constuction tecniques. I think we are at 13k for weight. We usually only pull with 1/3 tank water, which saves a lot of useless weight. The 3500 does nicely. I think long term, the 6 speed manual is a bettre choice, but you have what you have and changing can be expensive.<br>I think going is more important than stopping, by & large. We keep our speed at 55-60 & on interstates & 4 lanes, we normally do not have anyone in front of us for 1/4 mile. True they do not stop quicky, but is you anticipate, you do not need the brakes much, except City stuff. Here too, antcipation & downshifts will help. Keep the tranny cool, as well as the othe add-ons. Keep an eye on the tranny temps, as heat kills the tranny.<br>By the way, you can get a like new rig, 2-3 years old, for half the price of one of these new ones. Usually at least 50% depreciation in 3 years. Let someone else take the hit.<br>Good Luck!
10-24-2002, 12:50 PM
TPilaske, The Holiday Rambler Presedential is the Twin of the Medallion McKenzie, same floor plans and construction except exterior surface. The parent corp. of both is Monaco Corp. of Coburg, OR. When we were we searching for a new fiver it was between the McKenzie/Holiday Rambler and the Keystone Montana.<br><br>Both have all aluminum framing Keystone/Montana has aluminum roof trusses, while Holiday Rambler/McKenzie have high density foam arch over aluminum framing in roof. Montana has aluminum floor joists while Holiday Rambler has steel floor joists. Both have heavy I-beam chassis. Similarly equipped models have competetive prices, however the dry wt of the Montana has a lighter dry wt. We ended up with a Montana as it had the better floor plan. <br><br>Another difference is the Montana uses a hydraulic slide out system, single pump operates all slides.In an emergency the pump has a manual pump feature. <br>The Holiday Rambler/McKenzie uses rack and pinion system, a separate motor for each slide.<br><br>Another thing to consider is that 3 or more slides greatly limit the availabity of RV sites available, length can also be a problem.<br><br>What ever tow vehicle you decide to buy be sure to get a 4.10 rear axle as it gives you max tow capacity. <br> 8)
Tony,<br>Haulin in Dixie routinely hauls with 28K GCW with a bone stock '99, but with a 5 speed, I believe. And he does it for a living. You might want to PM him.
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