What say you? Sounds pretty good so far.

What say you? Sounds pretty good so far.
Uh...WOW, AWESOME, FANTASTIC!!
Way more than I expected for tonight!!

All I can say is WOW!!! I hope McCain can top it tomorrow.

WOW! that was the best speech i've seen in a long time

Have you ever seen the movie "An American President". When the president Allen Sheppard finally stands up to his opponent in a speech that ended "I'm Allen Sheppard and I am the president". The next scene The actor played by Micheal J. Fox is scrambling to re-write the State of the Union speech. Well I just wonder if that would reflect the activity in the Democratic camps tonight.

If you haven't seen the movie this will mean nothing to you, go rent it, it's great.

I'd be willing to bet she made some old time Republican politicians squirm a little bit tonight.

I would love to see her debate obama she would rip him up!!!!
She is what this country needs a lot more of people with guts and determination
If we had a half dozen or more like her in DC they might actually get something done. The more i see of her the more i like her
Has she got a twin sister maybe i will move a little farther north[laugh]

She Rocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just for kicks, I switched over to CNN.......just what you would expect.......things like "It's not really her words", etc. Like Obama writes his own.....:rolleyes: I think Obama is a good public speaker, but I think he has met his Republican match.

Just for kicks, I switched over to CNN.......just what you would expect.......things like "It's not really her words", etc. Like Obama writes his own.....:rolleyes: I think Obama is a good public speaker, but I think he has met his Republican match.

That was even mentioned on Fox news- It was quickly countered with ALL political speeches are written by speech writer for ALL speakers- Obama included. What gives does a different standard apply for a republican woman than any other speaker.... She kicked booty and the liberal media can't handle it!

The only thing all you guys need are some cute little skirts and pom poms.[laugh]

I liked that she didn't get too nasty with her jabs. She spoke plainly and was pretty darn refreshing. I also liked when she talk of her family and touched on the fact that all is not perfect but who's family is...

I don't believe she has "all" the knowledge a VP needs at the moment, but I think she'll be a quick study and use her God given commen sense.

I think this election needs some rethinking.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/iker42/mccainpalin1.jpg

I think this election needs some rethinking.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/iker42/mccainpalin1.jpg

I would for sure vote for her for president before obama she has done more to be qualified than he has unless you count his fitting right in with the rest of the politicians collecting a check for doing nothing -- that he is better at.

The only thing all you guys need are some cute little skirts and pom poms.[laugh]

S'ok, I would gladly don the skirt and wave the Pom Poms for her.

The only thing all you guys need are some cute little skirts and pom poms.[laugh]


Like you dont get obamas feet wet with drool from excitment.[dummy]

Wheres my skirt???[guitar]

I found her speech to be divisive and full of lies.
She certainly can claim to be a divider not a uniter.
Very good speaker and speech writers though, just what republicans wanted to hear. Palin's speech was written before she was chosen. It was modified for her as it was considered 'too masculine' and of course they had to put in her story's touches.

Fact check on her lies here> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

Another thing my 16 year old son noticed after watching both the GOP and Demo conventions, "How come the Republicans are all fat and white and the Demos are mixed races and lean?"
I looked back and he is right on, if you don't believe me look for yourself.

Um the gauntlet was thrown,kicked,flung batted,tossed,hurled,drop-kicked and,made apparent to the other camp!Let the games begin in earnest.

I found her speech to be divisive and full of lies.
She certainly can claim to be a divider not a uniter.
Very good speaker and speech writers though, just what republicans wanted to hear. Palin's speech was written before she was chosen. It was modified for her as it was considered 'too masculine' and of course they had to put in her story's touches.

Fact check on her lies here> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

Another thing my 16 year old son noticed after watching both the GOP and Demo conventions, "How come the Republicans are all fat and white and the Demos are mixed races and lean?"
I looked back and he is right on, if you don't believe me look for yourself.


OKAY How come the Rep Gals are all HOT and the Dems Frumpy?
Tis True.

OKAY How come the Rep Gals are all HOT and the Dems Frumpy?
Tis True.
Uh yea!!
Something like this comes to mind.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Z/c/dem_vs_republican_women.jpg

That's what I like about you Capt Ron....you never post anything that would be bias in any way shape or form [whistle]

It was just as I expected. She has been in seclusion for the last three days, getting coached and primed for the "big coming out party". She delivered exactly what she was coached and primed to do and everybody is all excited. A very staged, canned event. What will make a real difference is how she handles herself away from the manipulators and coaches while on the open stage and during the debates. Time will tell, the jury is still way out.

Didn't Obama sit in his hotel in his suit receiting his speech for a couple of days before he gave it too? All politicians do. Even the great bill clinton had speech writers and rehearsed his speeches before he gave them.
I personally can't stand watching an Obama interview. If someone asks the guy a question he hasn't been given the apropriate answer for he comes apart like a unitized bearing grenanding and hums and haws like his thought proccess just shorted out. Put a telepropmpter in front of the guy and he is great.

I think she did a great job and can't wait to see how well she does against Biden in a debate. I'd be willing to bet she thrashes him. My vote is NO to the Muslim and yes to an American Hero!!

I personally can't stand watching an Obama interview. If someone asks the guy a question he hasn't been given the apropriate answer for he comes apart like a unitized bearing grenanding and hums and haws like his thought proccess just shorted out. Put a telepropmpter in front of the guy and he is great.


Bill Orielly is getting his shot at him tonight on Fox. 8 Pm East. Although I don't agree with Orielly on a lot of things, he'll definately put Obama in the hot seat. This will be must see tv.

Bill Orielly is getting his shot at him tonight on Fox. 8 Pm East. Although I don't agree with Orielly on a lot of things, he'll definately put Obama in the hot seat. This will be must see tv.

I guess I will have to suffer thru it to see what happens. Maybe we will see what else is above his pay grade.

Obama must be feeling the heat to go on that show.

Another thing my 16 year old son noticed after watching both the GOP and Demo conventions, "How come the Republicans are all fat and white and the Demos are mixed races and lean?"
I looked back and he is right on, if you don't believe me look for yourself.

Holy-Moly! What's next? You going to file a civil rights law suit against the Republican party? :rolleyes:

Dressed in their circus costumes, it was hard to tell if the dems were clean or not.

After watching the "puppet" Osama Obama, how can anyone on the left talk about speech writers and rehearsals?

Obama must be feeling some kind of heat. He has made numerous excuses in the past NOT to meet with O'Riley. I just hope O'Riley hasn't been told to keep the kid gloves on with him.

Obama must be feeling the heat to go on that show.

Yes indeed, this say's more about how worried the Dems are now, than anything else that has come up ;)

I just hope O'Riley hasn't been told to keep the kid gloves on with him.


He might have had to agree to that but with Orielly, who knows what he'll throw at Obama once the cameras are rolling. Should be very interesting.

Another thing my 16 year old son noticed after watching both the GOP and Demo conventions, "How come the Republicans are all fat and white and the Demos are mixed races and lean?"
I looked back and he is right on, if you don't believe me look for yourself

That's an odd observation... What conclusion is one to draw from observing the crowd's appearance? Republicians are non inclusive to mixed races and shinny people or Dems are non inclusive of white and fat people?

That's an odd observation... What conclusion is one to draw from observing the crowd's appearance? Republicians are non inclusive to mixed races and shinny people or Dems are non inclusive of white and fat people?

I wouldn't put too much stock in that theory, it comes from the mind of a 16 year old. Not to say that Bill's son is anything less than a genius, He could very well have the cure for Cancer in his brain or be a future Nobel prize winner :) ....

Just that in general wisdom comes with age ;)

Obama gives a speech....."He did a great job."
Palin gives a speech....."She presented the speech that was prepared for her very well."

Come on now, do you really think Obama writes his own stuff!!!! Thats a load of smelly stuff!!

Obama gives a speech....."He did a great job."
Palin gives a speech....."She presented the speech that was prepared for her very well."

Come on now, do you really think Obama writes his own stuff!!!! Thats a load of smelly stuff!!

Well said. They all have speech writers. But it is noteworthy that she wasn't using the teleprompter because it wasn't functioning properly and when she asked for a copy of the speech the only one available was one folded up in one of the staffers pockets and she said "thats ok i'll just smoothe it out with a book".

Uh yea!!
Something like this comes to mind.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Z/c/dem_vs_republican_women.jpg

[laugh][laugh]Awsome, I love it!!

What say you? Sounds pretty good so far.

What's your middle name? Bill O'Reilley??

Obama gives a speech....."He did a great job."
Palin gives a speech....."She presented the speech that was prepared for her very well."

Come on now, do you really think Obama writes his own stuff!!!! Thats a load of smelly stuff!!If he says he does I believe it's true. With the snooping media and modern blogasphere any lies would be found out quickly and could be so damaging that a candidate wouldn't even think of doing it.
Obama says he wrote his entire acceptance speech by himself in longhand, until someone refutes it I'll believe it's the truth.

Capt Ron, those pictures sure do prove how much more attractive the Reps are. lol.
I'm not joking, take a look tonight when all the GOPers are jumping for joy at McCain's speech and see the white flab shake.
If they would just have it all liposuctioned out enough biodiesel could be made to run the country for a year.
Energy problem solved!:)

Capt Ron, those pictures sure do prove how much more attractive the Reps are. lol.
I'm not joking, take a look tonight when all the GOPers are jumping for joy at McCain's speech and see the white flab shake.
If they would just have it all liposuctioned out enough biodiesel could be made to run the country for a year.
Energy problem solved!:)

I watched the DEMs convention. There was a lot of unattractive whack nut looking folks there.
Like this;
http://www.utne.com/uploadedImages/utne/blogs/Politics/2819766807_c4c2d0a136.jpg
I also saw plenty of overweight folks white and non white there as well.
What tells a bigger story is the FACT (yea I know) that President Bush has employed and appointed more minorities (female and ethnic) in his administration than his predecessor.
AND He's employed none of them under his desk!!

What tells a bigger story is the FACT (yea I know) that President Bush has employed and appointed more minorities (female and ethnic) in his administration than his predecessor.
AND He's employed none of them under his desk!!


I like this guy:rolleyes:[laugh]

Why is it that all the dem women have hair on their legs and all the republican women have smooth legs? hmmmmmmmmmmmm Some kind of conspiracy going on!

Duh! The only reason Obama agreed to go on with O'Riley......the RNC and McCain is on tonight! I have heard a couple of times that the opposition is not as dark as before during the others convention, but this puts it to the limit. Why else would he dodge O'Riley for nearly two years, but suddenly accept? Lack of confidence?

I refuse to watch it, but hope Bill rips him a new one. I'm sure I'll get a blow by blow recap right here on DTR. :)

Duh! The only reason Obama agreed to go on with O'Riley......the RNC and McCain is on tonight! I have heard a couple of times that the opposition is not as dark as before during the others convention, but this puts it to the limit. Why else would he dodge O'Riley for nearly two years, but suddenly accept? Lack of confidence?

I refuse to watch it, but hope Bill rips him a new one. I'm sure I'll get a blow by blow recap right here on DTR. :)

If that reason is true couldn't it backfire on him with everyone tuned in to fox news and all the speakers at the RNC on right after? Either way I'm sure it will be a ah and um filled apearance.

I believe that O'rielly did the interview off site and is only going to air part of it tonight. The rest will come next week. That's what I took away last night at the end of O'Rielly's show.
I'm hoping he renegs(sp) on airing any tonight and only airs it next week.
He'll get his interview and Obama won't get to butt in on the RNC.

Why is it that all the dem women have hair on their legs and all the republican women have smooth legs? hmmmmmmmmmmmm Some kind of conspiracy going on!

AAACCCCKKKK [yuk][yuk]

PISTOL

But it is noteworthy that she wasn't using the teleprompter because it wasn't functioning properly and when she asked for a copy of the speech the only one available was one folded up in one of the staffers pockets and she said "thats ok i'll just smoothe it out with a book".Ummm... if you are talking about her speech last night you are wrong... You could see very clearly in the teleprompter exactly what she was reading (many times in fact). Don't get me wrong.. I personally think she did a great job and I trust her more than Obama. I can't wait for the VP debate. That will be must see TV.

Britt

:)

Uh yea!!
Something like this comes to mind.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Z/c/dem_vs_republican_women.jpg

You don't find Janet Reno attractive??? Wow... There is something seriously wrong with you [laugh]

Britt

:)

Ummm... if you are talking about her speech last night you are wrong... You could see very clearly in the teleprompter exactly what she was reading (many times in fact). Don't get me wrong.. I personally think she did a great job and I trust her more than Obama. I can't wait for the VP debate. That will be must see TV.

Britt

:)

The explanation was on CNN awhile ago. Due to the lengthy applause, the teleprompter was trying to hurry her up by skipping whole paragraphs. She used a hard copy to continue, but it didn't look like she used it verbatim.

You don't find Janet Reno attractive??? Wow... There is something seriously wrong with you [laugh]

Britt

:)

Oh yea she's hot in a Gay Bear sort of way!![yuk][yuk][yuk]

The explanation was on CNN awhile ago. Due to the lengthy applause, the teleprompter was trying to hurry her up by skipping whole paragraphs. She used a hard copy to continue, but it didn't look like she used it verbatim.
I see... Every time they showed her from behind you could see the text of the speech in the prompter but maybe she had to "wing" some of it.. My mistake and apology.

I still thought she did a pretty good job and as a political move I personally think that McCain is a pure genius for picking her. I bet Obama is kicking himself for not picking Hillary. Just my take on things.

Britt

:)

Another thing my 16 year old son noticed after watching both the GOP and Demo conventions, "How come the Republicans are all fat and white and the Demos are mixed races and lean?"
I looked back and he is right on, if you don't believe me look for yourself.

My wife noticed pretty much the same thing, all white, she missed the fat part.
Turns out that both are right. The Republicans had all of 36 black delegates out of 2,380, or just 1.5%. Nice mix.
In their last presidential delegation they had 167 black delegates. Seems like they are now going the wrong way.
For the record, the Democrats had 1,087 black delegates, or 24.5%.
Good observation on your sons part.

Turns out that both are right. The Republicans had all of 36 black delegates out of 2,380, or just 1.5%. Nice mix.
In their last presidential delegation they had 167 black delegates. Seems like they are now going the wrong way.
For the record, the Democrats had 1,087 black delegates, or 24.5%.
Good observation on your sons part.
Well considering that the vast majority of blacks are democrats it only stands to reason that there will be more black delegates at the DNC than the RNC.
If the RNC had more the libs would just call em "Uncle Toms" as they have Collin Powell and Clarence Thomas.[nonono]

For the record, the Democrats had 1,087 black delegates, or 24.5%.


You seem pretty well informed.....what is their previous numbers?

I still wonder why the dems haven't had as many minorities and women in their cabinet, etc as King George and the Repubs. Makes you question who's going in the right direction....................

I guess I fit right in, I'm fat...white...and oh yeah...REPUBLICAN!!![laugh]

I still wonder why the dems haven't had as many minorities and women in their cabinet, etc as King George and the Repubs. Makes you question who's going in the right direction....................
My thoughts exactly!!
If the DEMs have more black supporters and delegates why haven't they appointed more in their administrations?
Why do they play down those who've served or are republicans?
It appears that the GOP cares more about furthering the careers of minorities.
The libs just want to further their dependency on the govt. It seems to give them a reason for existence.

I am really not understanding why the big hoopla over who wrote the speech and how she read it. She had a news flash for the Dems last night and I have a news flash for you tonight:

DUHHH, every single politician reads their speeches the same way!!

So anyone who is arguing this one way or the other, what is the point, and what is the purpose of your argument?!!?!?

I would guess that the Dems are worried and they're looking for anything they can, like a teleprompter or if she can care for her kids and be vice president. Give me a break, people. It's called a clue, find something that has substance if you're going to try and slam her. Otherwise, keep shivering in your shoes, because she is going to be around for a long time, day 1 starting last night!

I am really not understanding why the big hoopla over who wrote the speech and how she read it. She had a news flash for the Dems last night and I have a news flash for you tonight:

DUHHH, every single politician reads their speeches the same way!!

So anyone who is arguing this one way or the other, what is the point, and what is the purpose of your argument?!!?!?

I would guess that the Dems are worried and they're looking for anything they can, like a teleprompter or if she can care for her kids and be vice president. Give me a break, people. It's called a clue, find something that has substance if you're going to try and slam her. Otherwise, keep shivering in your shoes, because she is going to be around for a long time, day 1 starting last night!
And she's the best lookin politician we've seen in yrs!!
I'd take her "snipe Hunting" any day!!:o

I like the fact that she has people who normally wouldn't be interested in the political process tuning in...

I like the fact that she has people who normally wouldn't be interested in the political process tuning in...
She had 37 million viewers last night. Obama had 40 million last Tuesday. That's pretty tight considering Obama has been campaigning for 19 months and is the first black presidential candidate yet Palin has only been on the stump for 5 days!!

I like the fact that she has people who normally wouldn't be interested in the political process tuning in...I like the fact that this whole election has people who wouldn't normally be interested tuning in. Fact is... this is (no matter the outcome) going to be a historic election.

Britt

:)

DUHHH, every single politician reads their speeches the same way!!

Very true.. You can certainly tell when Pres. Bush isn't using a prompter [laugh]

Britt

:)

She had 37 million viewers last night. Obama had 40 million last Tuesday. That's pretty tight considering Obama has been campaigning for 19 months and is the first black presidential candidate yet Palin has only been on the stump for 5 days!!Well now come on... Obama is old news and Palin is new. To be completely honest she garnered my interest just because she is so new and out of left field. I personally thought she handled herself very well (prepared speech or not).

Britt

:)

Very true.. You can certainly tell when Pres. Bush isn't using a prompter [laugh]

Britt

:)

He does get the mumbles sometimes but his best speeches were without the teleprompter. His words at ground zero while standing with the Firefighter were quite moving to me!!
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Well now come on... Obama is old news and Palin is new. To be completely honest she garnered my interest just because she is so new and out of left field. I personally thought she handled herself very well (prepared speech or not).

Britt

:)

You've got a point but I'm pretty sure team Obama is scrambling right now!!

You've got a point but I'm pretty sure team Obama is scrambling right now!!Agreed

Britt

:)

Obama's surrogates are accusing her of being smarmy and mean spirited!!
Oh that mean lady picked on our sensitive little Barrack!!
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/1/d/democratic_crybaby_seal.jpg
Sorry guys I just couldn't help myself!![laugh][laugh][laugh]

Obama's surrogates are accusing her of being smarmy and mean spirited!!
Oh that mean lady picked on our sensitive little Barrack!!
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/1/d/democratic_crybaby_seal.jpg
Sorry guys I just couldn't help myself!![laugh][laugh][laugh]Somehow... I knew that was coming

Britt

:)

Somehow... I knew that was coming

Britt

:)

It's all fun and games until someone gets their feelins hurt!![coffee]

It's all fun and games until someone gets their feelins hurt!![coffee];)

Britt

:)

Hey Britt I noticed you've got that Guinness Avatar, ever tried Youngs or Murphy's stout??? I like all three!!

Although I fit most of the repub generalization (White but a lean 175#'s, independently wealthy) I have to give Biden a thumbs up for defending Palin from the media. He said something like it doesn't matter if she is a mom or her daughter is prego, just let her run.

Lemme see if I can find it....

I just found out that I will not be home until about midnight. When I get home, I want to see a fair, unbiased report on the RNC and Osama Obama on The Factor. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Hey Britt I noticed you've got that Guinness Avatar, ever tried Youngs or Murphy's stout??? I like all three!!Murphy's yes... Youngs no. I have to say that I probably like Murphy's to Guinness although it is a toss up. I personally like many different types of beer (mostly micro brew) but my fall-back is almost always Guinness.

By the way. I could have the most understanding wife in the history of the word because she allows all of this:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/turnerfamily10/House/DSC02286.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/turnerfamily10/Other/DSC00742.jpg

Britt

:)

By the way. I could have the most understanding wife in the history of the word because she allows all of this:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/turnerfamily10/House/DSC02286.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/turnerfamily10/Other/DSC00742.jpg

Britt

:)
Mine too!!
I haven't done it in a while but I used to have 5 gal jugs of fermenting wort (beer) all over the house. The place smelled of malt year round for a while.
I made a double stout once that was 8% alcohol.
Tasted like candy but would knock your socks off!!
I'm too busy (and lazy[redface]) these days but I plan to get back at it some day!!

Why is it that all the dem women have hair on their legs and all the republican women have smooth legs? hmmmmmmmmmmmm Some kind of conspiracy going on!

Don't look under their arms...:o

I heard Biden say something like that as well. The Dems could have picked a worse running mate than Biden, but I still don't trust Obama with my country.

hmmm Obama and biden sounds a lot like osama bin laden....

I am sure they dig hairy pits.

Mine too!!
I haven't done it in a while but I used to have 5 gal jugs of fermenting wort (beer) all over the house. The place smelled of malt year round for a while.
I made a double stout once that was 8% alcohol.
Tasted like candy but would knock your socks off!!
I'm too busy (and lazy[redface]) these days but I plan to get back at it some day!!Well then... you and I have much more in common than I thought ;)

Britt

:)

I found her speech to be divisive and full of lies.
She certainly can claim to be a divider not a uniter.
Very good speaker and speech writers though, just what republicans wanted to hear. Palin's speech was written before she was chosen. It was modified for her as it was considered 'too masculine' and of course they had to put in her story's touches.

Fact check on her lies here> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

Another thing my 16 year old son noticed after watching both the GOP and Demo conventions, "How come the Republicans are all fat and white and the Demos are mixed races and lean?"
I looked back and he is right on, if you don't believe me look for yourself.


Bill, please cite the source for your claim of the pre-written speech. Everyone in politics has speechwriters, I'm sure you realize.

Some commentary on the linked AP article:

1)The author appears to actually have a pretty even hand, something that is quite rare in the modern media. He's generally considered to be a Clinton dem, but at least he's a FAIR dem, and I can respect that.

2) I'm sure there's some "spin" in the Palin speech, just like there would be in any politician. For example, if she got the earmarks down from 950B to 750B, then she could claim to have "fought against federal earmarks."

Remember, politics is the land where only increasing spending by 3% instead of 5% is called a "cut."


I'm confident that the coming weeks will reveal the totality of the Palin record, for better or worse. I'm sure some of my fellow Republicans will succumb to sycophant behavior when the less favorable things are revealed. I just hope that for rather than make excuses, we can put things in context and accept that maybe our dog in the race isn't all we wish they were.

I doubt that Palin is *everything* that we're told she is for now, because we're basically seeing a repeat of the "chosen one" scenario that played out with Obama, just on the other side of the aisle.

But I am also confident that she's the closest thing to my "ideal" candidate that our broken system can currently produce.

I think that there are a lot of people in this country, but conservative and liberal who share my one overriding concern:

"You mean *this* is the best we can do?"

I think that there are a lot of people in this country, but conservative and liberal who share my one overriding concern:

"You mean *this* is the best we can do?"

Absolutely...but Herb and I both agreed not to run until 2012 [laugh]

Well then... you and I have much more in common than I thought ;)

Britt

:)

For your sake I hope it's not the;
I'm too lazy!! :o

I like the fact that she has people who normally wouldn't be interested in the political process tuning in...

McCain, Obama, Palin, Biden, Barr, Root....whoever...this is the reason I am in favor of this forum on this site. Regardless of who you support it energizes people to come out and get involved in the process. Congrats to all who can have a civil dispute and get involved in the whole process! It affects every aspect of our lives no matter who you believe in. [coffee]

............;
I'm too lazy!! :o



I don't believe that for a minute!![dummy] Your fingers work harder right here on DTR than any political speech writer in modern day history! [tapdshut] [laugh]

Can't speak for the rest of you though... <jk>[laugh]

..

I don't believe that for a minute!![dummy] Your fingers work harder right here on DTR than any political speech writer in modern day history! [tapdshut] [laugh]

Can't speak for the rest of you though... <jk>[laugh]

..

This stuff is easy and takes no physical effort. Makes my brain hurt though!![laugh]

Back on topic.... Where are our Alaskan Members who know her well? Is she as good as she appears to be? Hope so!

RJ

Back on topic.... Where are our Alaskan Members who know her well? Is she as good as she appears to be? Hope so!

RJAll the Alaskans I know don't care much for politics and choose to remain ignorant on the subject.
Of course they're going to love any politician that gives them a $1200 rebate check.

Where are our Alaskan Members who know her well? Is she as good as she appears to be? Hope so!

RJ

Been on vacation for a bit.

Palin is a good Governer and I think that she will make a good VP. Everything she claims to have done is true. She cut taxes as Wasilla's mayor, she pushed ethics reforms( and got results). She challanged the big oil companies and fought to get AK a better share of the mineral wealth from the North Slope oilfields. She slashed budgets and put excess $$$ in savings for the lean time that are enevitabe. She recently cut the state Fuel tax to ease the burden of rising fuel prices as well as send out a "resource rebate of $1200 to every Alaskan who qualified for a 2008 PFD. I may not have always agreed with her decisions but she is a good leader that acctually gets things done. She dosen't play "party politics" she does what's needed.

Also, several of the decision I didn't agree with were decisions she made with way more insight on the subject than I had and for that reason they were probly the right ones.


The smartest thing McCain did was pair up with Palin

Well considering that the vast majority of blacks are democrats it only stands to reason that there will be more black delegates at the DNC than the RNC.
If the RNC had more the libs would just call em "Uncle Toms" as they have Collin Powell and Clarence Thomas.[nonono]

....and why are there more registered blacks as Democrats vs. Republicans?
Could it possibly be because the Democrats represent the blacks better? The Republicans have all but given up on registering blacks into the party.

I have never heard Powell or Thomas be called a "Uncle Tom"

When the VP's debate it'll be like watching the school yard bully pushing his way thru the hallway. Biden is loud, arrogant, obnoxious and offensive. When a person has a difficult time telling the truth and then just can't admit being wrong, I find it very difficult to believe much of anything they have to say afterwords.

Here's something he said way back in '87, and I still can't bear to listen to him. And his comments about not involving Palin's personal situation was probably only brought up to protect any comments about him or Obama. Obama's mom wasn't the ideal model back when he was a pup!


September 22, 1987
Biden Admits Errors and Criticizes Latest Report
By E. J. DIONNE JR., SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
LEAD: Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. issued a formal statement today acknowledging that he had misstated several facts about his past last April in a campaign appearance in New Hampshire.
Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. issued a formal statement today acknowledging that he had misstated several facts about his past last April in a campaign appearance in New Hampshire. But the Delaware Democrat insisted today, as he had Sunday night in an interview with The New York Times, that some of the disputed statements were true and that his misstatements were the product of a faulty memory and the fact that he lost his temper.
Mr. Biden, whose Presidential campaign has been shaken by news reports about his unattributed use of speeches from other politicians and a plagiarism incident while he was in law school, said in The Times interview that he was ''frustrated'' and ''angry as hell'' over the reports.
Mr. Biden was going through his political agony even as he presided over hearings tonight on the confirmation of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court. Exhausted top aides found their attention constantly torn between the crucial hearings and their principal's political future. Intends to Stay in Race
Late tonight, for example, Mr. Biden called a meeting of his senior staff to discuss the effects of the recent developments on his campaign. But senior aides said they did not know if it would even take place as the Bork hearings dragged into the night. Although a high-level aide denied that Mr. Biden was contemplating withdrawing from the race, several Washington politicians here said they believed he was considering this possibility.
On Sunday night, Mr. Biden said emphatically that he intended to remain a candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination. ''I think if I can get by the next week, I can pull out of this if I can just get my story across,'' he said.
Most of Mr. Biden's statement was in response to a report in this week's issue of Newsweek magazine on a tape recording made by the C-SPAN network of an appearance by Mr. Biden at a home in Claremont, N.H., on April 3. It was a typical coffee-klatch style appearance before a small group. The network regularly records and broadcasts such events as part of its coverage of the Presidential campaign.
The tape, which was made available by C-SPAN in response to a reporter's request, showed a testy exchange in response to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ''Frank.'' Mr. Biden looked at his questioner and said: ''I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.''
He then went on to say that he ''went to law school on a full academic scholarship - the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,'' Mr. Biden said. He also said that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. In college, Mr. Biden said in the appearance, he was ''the outstanding student in the political science department'' and ''graduated with three degrees from college.'' Comments on Assertions
In his statement today, Mr. Biden, who attended the Syracuse College of Law and graduated 76th in a class of 85, acknowledged: ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inacurate.''
As for receiving three degrees, Mr. Biden said: ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors - I said 'three' and should have said 'two.' '' Mr. Biden received a single B.A. in history and political science.
''With regard to my being the outstanding student in the political science department,'' the statement went on. ''My name was put up for that award by David Ingersoll, who is still at the University of Delaware.''
In the Sunday interview, Mr. Biden said of his claim that he went to school on full academic scholarship: ''My recollection is - and I'd have to confirm this - but I don't recall paying any money to go to law school.'' Newsweek said Mr. Biden had gone to Syracuse ''on half scholarship based on financial need.'' Says He Also Received Grant
In his statement today, Mr. Biden did not directly dispute this, but said he received a scholarship from the Syracuse University College of Law ''based in part on academics'' as well as a grant from the Higher Education Scholarship Fund of the state of Delaware. He said the law school ''arranged for my first year's room and board by placing me as an assitant resident adviser in the undergraduate school.''
As for the moot court competition, Mr. Biden said he had won such a competition, with a partner, in Kingston, Ontario, on Dec. 12, 1967.
Mr. Biden acknowledged that in the testy exchange in New Hampshire, he had lost his temper. ''I exaggerate when I'm angry,'' Mr. Biden said, ''but I've never gone around telling people things that aren't true about me.'' Mr. Biden's questioner had made the query in a mild tone, but provoked an explosive response from Mr. Biden. 'Legitimate Questions of Press'
As for the continued, minute probing of his past, Mr. Biden told The Times: ''I guess every single word I've ever said is going to be dissected now.''
In his statement today Mr. Biden acknowledged that inevitability, saying:
''However trivial, I certainly believe these are legitimate questions of press inquiry. And I will be as responsive to these and other inquiries as I possibly can.''
Mr. Biden's campaign staff met this weekend in Wilmington, Del., in an effort to come up with a strategy in face of the building controversy. A senior adviser to the Biden campaign dismissed speculatrion that he would withdraw from the contest. ''Of course he's going to stay in,'' the adviser said, dismissing the recent reports on Mr. Biden as ''random press frenzy.''
The adviser said the latest troubles might ''free'' Mr. Biden to ''get into being himself'' and to campaign as an aggressive ''populist, anti-Establishment'' candidate and a defender of the interests of the American middle class.

You seem pretty well informed.....what is their previous numbers?

I still wonder why the dems haven't had as many minorities and women in their cabinet, etc as King George and the Repubs. Makes you question who's going in the right direction....................

Thanks for the stroke.
Sorry, don't know the previous numbers.
Regardless weather the Democrats have fewer minorities in the cabinet or not, the minorities still feel better represented or they would not vote that way. Anyway the Democrats have had only 8 years in the last 28 in the White House.
Ever check out the makup of the Democrats vs Republicans in Congress or Senate?

[QUOTE=Baja;2200392]....and why are there more registered blacks as Democrats vs. Republicans?
Could it possibly be because the Democrats represent the blacks better? The Republicans have all but given up on registering blacks into the party.

Maybe this will help to answer your question.


The photo below captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect wildlife in the US.
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Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democratic Party... as they have apparently learned to simply sit and wait for the government to provide for their care and sustenance.

....and why are there more registered blacks as Democrats vs. Republicans?
Could it possibly be because the Democrats represent the blacks better?
No not at all. The dems have led them to believe that they "Represent" them better. It was a republican that made their freedom from slavery a major issue in the civil war.
It was republicans helping them during the civil rights era. It was the dems that that fought the civil rights movement.
The dems keep providing them with a crutch and selling themselves as the savior for minorities yet the do nothing to actually help them succeed but rather provide them with a life of dependency. Without that the DEMS would have no purpose.
Republicans choose to provide everyone (minorities included) with the opportunity to succeed or fail.
The Republicans have all but given up on registering blacks into the party.
Not at all it's just hard to compete with handouts, free rides, and false accusations of racism!!

I have never heard Powell or Thomas be called a "Uncle Tom"
I can't give you exact names on that but I have indeed heard it.
I'll have to look it up but there is a book about Clarence Thomas that talks about how some blacks in congress referred to him as just that.
I'm pretty sure Al Sharpton all but said it once a while back when making a comment about Collin Powell.

I have never heard Powell or Thomas be called a "Uncle Tom"

http://eppsnet.com/tag/colin-powell
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/20579/
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-2-2003-42448.asp
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/harrBy.htm

[QUOTE=capt.Ron;2200446] The dems keep providing them with a crutch and selling themselves as the savior for minorities yet the do nothing to actually help them succeed but rather provide them with a life of dependency. Without that the DEMS would have no purpose.
Republicans choose to provide everyone (minorities included) with the opportunity to succeed or fail.

Not at all it's just hard to compete with handouts, free rides, and false accusations of racism!!
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bingo....

You guys are killing me![laugh] Say what you want, spin what you want, quote who you want, dig deep for any excuse you want, the fact is in the numbers. If the Republicans were or are so representative of the blacks, they would be there. But they are not. Read the numbers and weep. Same with just about any other minority. To sit there and say that the Democrats have been nothing but a Santa Claus and that is why they vote for them is insulting to blacks. Maybe that is one reason they are not Republican.

Maybe we can look at it another way. Since the Republicans have been so generous to the right wing evangelicals, they have packed the voting booth accordingly, yet you do not diss that.

I guess it always comes down to whose ox is getting gored.

"When it comes to the black vote, the Republican Party thinks it has to come up with some sort of magic solution thats strange or complicated. No one wants to put that level of energy into courting the black vote, so nothing gets done. It is so dissappointing and I'm very frustrated." That is a direct quote from Michel Steele, a black Republican who did a prime time speech during the convention. Part of his job with the Republican Party is to travel the county trying to convince the blacks to vote Republican. He is not doing too well.

To sit there and say that the Democrats have been nothing but a Santa Claus and that is why they vote for them is insulting to blacks. Maybe that is one reason they are not Republican.
I've always wondered why minorities aren't offended at the way the DEMs pander to them. They don't want to help minorities be self sufficient, they just want to keep em under their wing so they can claim to be there protectors!!

Maybe we can look at it another way. Since the Republicans have been so generous to the right wing evangelicals, they have packed the voting booth accordingly, yet you do not diss that.
In what way have they been generous to the evangelicals??

I don't think the Republican party has been so great to the suposed right wing evangelicals, but more that the left has driven nearly anyone with religion away from the democrat party.
Just a few examples off of the top.
1. Staunch suport for abortion even up into the ninth month of pregnancy.
2. Banning any and all prayer in schools even if it is after hours in a club setting.
3. Having an accused rapeist and adulterer as their head cheerleader (Bill Clinton)
4. Having a alcaholic murderer as their praised "lion of the senate"
5. They have a blatant racist KKK member as one of their hero's ( Robert Bird)
6. JFK wasn't too far behind old Bill C. but he got a pass by most for his actions.
My family used to be party line southern democrat on both sides. All of them have said that the party has left them and they can't beleive where it is heading.
Say what you will about religion. This country was founded on religion right wrong or indiferent that is the way it is. The only religion I see anyone on the left embracing now is global warming.

I've always wondered why minorities aren't offended at the way the DEMs pander to them. They don't want to help minorities be self sufficient, they just want to keep em under their wing so they can claim to be there protectors!!

If you honestly believe that that is the only reason the minorities vote Democratic, you have insulted the intelligence of all of them. Again, no wonder they are Democrats, you give them absolutely no credit.


In what way have they been generous to the evangelicals??

Are you kidding me? In the last 12 years, the Republicans have pandered to the evangelicals in such a way they have all but taken over the party. If you do not believe that you need a serious study of their history.

Are you kidding me? In the last 12 years, the Republicans have pandered to the evangelicals in such a way they have all but taken over the party. If you do not believe that you need a serious study of their history.

Hmmm thats why till Palin was on the ticket alot of us were going third party. You do not know of what you speak.
I wish it did because like it or not we are a majority and would control Government.
[duhhh]

Hmmm thats why till Palin was on the ticket alot of us were going third party. You do not know of what you speak.
I wish it did because like it or not we are a majority and would control Government.
[duhhh]

That is the problem. You and your majority will gladly blend Church and State, something the Constitution specifically prohibits. That is why our founding fathers left England in the first place.
Let's keep it civil, we may disagree, I don't need or appreciate the "[duhhh]".

I don't think the Republican party has been so great to the suposed right wing evangelicals, but more that the left has driven nearly anyone with religion away from the democrat party.
Just a few examples off of the top.
1. Staunch suport for abortion even up into the ninth month of pregnancy.
2. Banning any and all prayer in schools even if it is after hours in a club setting.
3. Having an accused rapeist and adulterer as their head cheerleader (Bill Clinton)
4. Having a alcaholic murderer as their praised "lion of the senate"
5. They have a blatant racist KKK member as one of their hero's ( Robert Bird)
6. JFK wasn't too far behind old Bill C. but he got a pass by most for his actions.
My family used to be party line southern democrat on both sides. All of them have said that the party has left them and they can't beleive where it is heading.
Say what you will about religion. This country was founded on religion right wrong or indiferent that is the way it is. The only religion I see anyone on the left embracing now is global warming.

Shoot, I had a long detailed rebuttal, but for some reason it did not submit. I will have to respond later, don't have the energy to do it all over again. Off to the beach.

That is the problem. You and your majority will gladly blend Church and State, something the Constitution specifically prohibits. That is why our founding fathers left England in the first place.

I may be wrong but the founding fathers left england so they could practice whatever religion they wished. Which was mostly christianity of one denomination or another. I am from the area of the us where the founding fathers started thing and I can tell you there is church after church that was built in the 1700's and earlier everywhere.
The left wants us to be free from religion with the attack on Christmas and anything else the aclu can find. But it is ok to force the lefts religion of global warming down our throats, and make us all participate whether we like it or not.

That is the problem. You and your majority will gladly blend Church and State, something the Constitution specifically prohibits. That is why our founding fathers left England in the first place.
Let's keep it civil, we may disagree, I don't need or appreciate the "[duhhh]".
No I and we do not blend Church and State. you have freedom of religion. and if the atheists had a majority they would control it all and would want to outlaw all Christian Religions.
I and many MILLIONS other Christians Have served the Great Nation to protect your right to have no or any religion you want.
Separation of Church and State is meant that the Government does not have an official church or religion IE the Church of England. (who it was inserted to protect from.) It does not mean that an elected offical should not govern on his or hers religious morals. Only in the recent History have alot the Left and some of the Right tried to erase this Americas Christian roots and founding.
Now all that remains is to see who is in control in a few months.

No I and we do not blend Church and State. you have freedom of religion. and if the atheists had a majority they would control it all and would want to outlaw all Christian Religions.
I and many MILLIONS other Christians Have served the Great Nation to protect your right to have no or any religion you want.
Separation of Church and State is meant that the Government does not have an official church or religion IE the Church of England. (who it was inserted to protect from.) It does not mean that an elected offical should not govern on his or hers religious morals. Only in the recent History have alot the Left and some of the Right tried to erase this Americas Christian roots and founding.
Now all that remains is to see who is in control in a few months.

Sir, you are one of few people I know of that still understand the origins of the church and state thing. Thanks for posting!

Are you kidding me? In the last 12 years, the Republicans have pandered to the evangelicals in such a way they have all but taken over the party. If you do not believe that you need a serious study of their history.

Ok I guess you didn't realize that I was asking a question;
In what way have they been generous to the evangelicals??

Sir, you are one of few people I know of that still understand the origins of the church and state thing. Thanks for posting!

Thank You Ray people who twist the constitution to meet their narrow need really tweak my tail feathers.

[duhhh]

Sir, you are one of few people I know of that still understand the origins of the church and state thing. Thanks for posting!

To take it a bit further...

The phrase "separation of church and state" is derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to a group identifying themselves as the Danbury Baptists. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

I'm not sure that's how the ACLU nuts and certain others have re-defined it.

My last post here, not because I am backing out, no, I am enjoying this. As I mentioned yesterday, "off to the beach" is because we have a house there for the week. One of the nice things about it is there is no computer. I am here collecting a few last things and am doing this one last post here before I take off for the rest of the week. I will probably not answer to all of the above because I have, what, 28 fronts to deal with, so please don't like I am ducking your issue.

....abortion to the 9th month. I just flat out don't see how anybody can step in and tell a women what to do. It is none of your business. Just like the McCain camp is telling everybody to back off the unwed pregnancy or SP's daughter. It is not our business to deal with.

....prayer. Why is it so important that Christians and ONLY Christians have to have prayer in school? ALL of the other religions are satisfied to worship in their own places. Why is this issue rammed down my throat? If we allow Christians to have prayer, it opens Pandora's box to everybody. Way too hard on the schools, remember, they are for learning.

.. accused rapist and adulterer. I did not know BC raped anyone, and it looks like he is guilty in your eyes for a crime he did not commit. Being accused is not the same as being guilty. Adultery, you are right, absolutely stupid to the Nth degree. As stupid as it was, he and Hillary have mended their relationship. If BC is in your bad graces, how about Newt Gringrich?

.... alcoholic murderer. You know, I could post a strong argument along those lines for George Bush.

...KKK member. I see, don't forget, you have your own, think David Duke. I wonder how many KKK members vote Republican vs. Democrat? Nice group to have in your camp.

... JFK and BC. I think Bush has gotten quite a pass too. Let's see, Guantamano, the most despicable thing this great county has ever done, Alberto Gonzoles, Valerie Plame, No bid contracts to his friends, Abul Grahib, the list goes on.

... global warming. Weather it is here or not, without question is a subject of debate. I think it is is happening, just too many things happening out there. I may be on the Left, but don't insult me by saying it is my religion. If it is happening it will affect Pubs and Dems alike. Is Al Gore a alarmist or visionary? When does a alarmist become a visionary or not? Time will tell, I just hope it is not too late, the consequences are too large to ignore. Rachel Carlson was also called a alarmist, she was proven right, now she is a visionary.

I believe in religion and the freedom of it, no question. I find it hard to understand how the ACLU is accused that they want to banish religion. They just don't want a State supported single religion. To me, when a religious symbol is put up in a public place, that is not correct. I honor Christmas just like you do, but that is my decision, as all religion should be, not to be put up in the face of others, even if you are a majority in a given area. To me, it just puts down everybody else to a secondary tier.

... elected official should not govern from his/her beliefs. James Watt is a believer in the Rapture. As a result he believed that there was no reason not to open up everything for extraction during his tenure. He believed that since everything was going up in smoke anyway, why not use it up? That is his personal belief, I don't have a problem with that, but what if he is wrong? What if the Rapture never comes yet we have followed his policies irreversibly trashing everything in sight? Abortion, gay rights, a religious driven agenda. What you believe in the Bible is fine with me, I just do not want those religious beliefs driven on to me. Global warming again, there are plenty of Republicans who believe it is happening, it is not "just a Left" thing. And I do appreciate that you have served, believe me.

... generous to evangelicals. I'm sorry, they have not been just generous, they control the party.

Adios DTR folks, I am off to relax at the beach. As a parting word, thanks for the discussion, at least for me for a week. "I may not agree to what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." This holds true.
"May all of our trucks run well." ...... but if they don't I will always be glad to help on this forum when I can.

...I found her speech to be divisive and full of lies.
She certainly can claim to be a divider not a uniter.
Very good speaker and speech writers though...... Palin's speech was written before she was chosen.
It was modified for her as it was considered 'too masculine' and of course they had to put in her story's touches.
Pretty extreme position, IMO.
You give evidence of what you call "her lies", with a link .... you later accused Alaskians of being disinterested in politics ..... and here you claim speech written before she was selected? Any hard evidence to back that up? Sounds like blogisphere claims to me, from the usual un-named source.

I'm gone also......... not to the beach.... just away from non diesel stuff!

RJ

....abortion to the 9th month. I just flat out don't see how anybody can step in and tell a women what to do. It is none of your business. Just like the McCain camp is telling everybody to back off the unwed pregnancy or SP's daughter. It is not our business to deal with.

1. I agree it is no ones business. But if the baby can live outside of the womb if it was fully delivered it is murder. My nephew was born 2.5 month premature so nobody can tell me it is just a fetus. he was a living baby just like my children when they were born and he is a great kid now.

....prayer. Why is it so important that Christians and ONLY Christians have to have prayer in school? ALL of the other religions are satisfied to worship in their own places. Why is this issue rammed down my throat? If we allow Christians to have prayer, it opens Pandora's box to everybody. Way too hard on the schools, remember, they are for learning.

2. In Michigan there are schools that allow Muslim prayer but not christian. Tehy allow muslim headdress but send children home for christian symbols. I am not asking to have anyone have it forced down their throat but if a group wants to have a prayer group after school just like a chess club I don't see why they are not allowed to if they are keeping to themselves how are they hurting anyone

.. accused rapist and adulterer. I did not know BC raped anyone, and it looks like he is guilty in your eyes for a crime he did not commit. Being accused is not the same as being guilty. Adultery, you are right, absolutely stupid to the Nth degree. As stupid as it was, he and Hillary have mended their relationship. If BC is in your bad graces, how about Newt Gringrich?

3.I didn't say he raped annyone hence the word ACCUSED. He was accused by Juanita Broaddrick. Newt is no longer in office and is barely a public figure anymore.

.... alcoholic murderer. You know, I could post a strong argument along those lines for George Bush.

4.Yea I have heard them all. He has very publicly admitted he had a alcohol problem and has made his peace with it


...KKK member. I see, don't forget, you have your own, think David Duke. I wonder how many KKK members vote Republican vs. Democrat? Nice group to have in your camp.

5. Robert Bird has been in public office for how many years? As a Democrat, Duke ran for the Louisiana Senate in 1975. In 1988, Duke ran in the Democratic presidential primaries. That duke wacko has never held a national office so it is not on the same level. He ran as a republican for a state house seat. for everything else he has gooten shot down. I personally have no use for him. Every party has it's weirdo's I guess it depends on how far up the party holds these people.

... JFK and BC. I think Bush has gotten quite a pass too. Let's see, Guantamano, the most despicable thing this great county has ever done, Alberto Gonzoles, Valerie Plame, No bid contracts to his friends, Abul Grahib, the list goes on.

6..Read more history alot worse things have happened than guantanamo. If you are talking about their suposed civil rights, they have none. They are not signers of the geneva conventions. If they were we could have shot them on sight for not wearing uniforms. They are also not US citizens so habeus corpus does not apply. I still do not see what Alberto Gonzoles did that was wrong BC did the same thing when he took office. Can someone please tell me who besides haliburton/kbb has the resources to do the job that they do and do well on a moments notice. What does Abu Grahib have to do with Bush? Does he have mind control over every man on the ground in Iraq.

... global warming. Weather it is here or not, without question is a subject of debate. I think it is is happening, just too many things happening out there. I may be on the Left, but don't insult me by saying it is my religion. If it is happening it will affect Pubs and Dems alike. Is Al Gore a alarmist or visionary? When does a alarmist become a visionary or not? Time will tell, I just hope it is not too late, the consequences are too large to ignore. Rachel Carlson was also called a alarmist, she was proven right, now she is a visionary.

7..A religion can be defined as anything someone has FAITH in that cannot be proved. With just as many scientist saying it is BS as saying it is fact I can't get on board. AL GOre is a hack that is getting his wallet lined by his hype of a unproven theory. 15 years ago we were going into an ice age. The earth will go thru cycles it always has. Siberia used to be a desert. Raleigh NC used to be under water. That ball in the sky has more to do with it than man. I am all for not poluting the plannet and leaving it for the next generation, but you can't convince me that everytime I and every other animal exhale I am poluting the planet. Enviromentalism is fine just not at the cost of our economy or lives. We had malaria beat until DDT was outlawed now people are dying of malaria again and the only defense they have is a stupid net.



I believe in religion and the freedom of it, no question. I find it hard to understand how the ACLU is accused that they want to banish religion. They just don't want a State supported single religion. To me, when a religious symbol is put up in a public place, that is not correct. I honor Christmas just like you do, but that is my decision, as all religion should be, not to be put up in the face of others, even if you are a majority in a given area. To me, it just puts down everybody else to a secondary tier.

8...The ACLU filed several law suits last year against people for having a manger scene on PRIVATE property because someone was offended. Too many people are roaming around looking for a REASON to be offended.


... elected official should not govern from his/her beliefs. James Watt is a believer in the Rapture. As a result he believed that there was no reason not to open up everything for extraction during his tenure. He believed that since everything was going up in smoke anyway, why not use it up? That is his personal belief, I don't have a problem with that, but what if he is wrong? What if the Rapture never comes yet we have followed his policies irreversibly trashing everything in sight? Abortion, gay rights, a religious driven agenda. What you believe in the Bible is fine with me, I just do not want those religious beliefs driven on to me. Global warming again, there are plenty of Republicans who believe it is happening, it is not "just a Left" thing. And I do appreciate that you have served, believe me.

9...A persons beliefs should not be something that they feal they have to hide. They should be out there for everyone to see and if the people agree with those beliefs then that person gets elected to office. A person should have beliefs and live their life by them otherwise they are beholden to the IN thing of the moment. I trully believe Oboma believes what he says and he is sincere with his "CHANGE" mesage the problem with his beliefs is that they are Marxist to the core. If you do not believe me read the communist manifesto with a open mind and compare it to his platform.

... generous to evangelicals. I'm sorry, they have not been just generous, they control the party.

10..And the earth first human second crowd runs the dem party.

Adios DTR folks, I am off to relax at the beach. As a parting word, thanks for the discussion, at least for me for a week. "I may not agree to what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." This holds true.
"May all of our trucks run well." ...... but if they don't I will always be glad to help on this forum when I can


Have a good time at the beach man. What beach are ya headed to? you may be in my neck of the woods.

....abortion to the 9th month. I just flat out don't see how anybody can step in and tell a women what to do. It is none of your business. Just like the McCain camp is telling everybody to back off the unwed pregnancy or SP's daughter. It is not our business to deal with.
So you think that this is ok???
So-called "Partial-birth" abortion is performed in the second and third trimesters and entails (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery. A partial breech delivery is not considered a "birth" at common law, where it is the passage of the head that is essential.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/partbrt1.gifGuided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/partbrt2.gifThe baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/partbrt3.gifThe abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/partbrt4.gifThe abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole...
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/partbrt5.gifThe scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
It sounds like outright murder to me!!!

So you think that this is ok???

That angers me every time I think about it.

I have 2 cousins that are twins, and I never new it until about 30 minutes ago talking to my uncle that they were born in the 5th month of pregnancy.
He said both weighed less than 2lbs when they were born and are productive members of society today. I can see why most women have a hard time living with this after the fact.
I can't imagine a group of people that think putting underwear on someones head is torture, or holding enemy combatants caught IN THE ACT ON THE BATTLEFIELD in jail is flat wrong can stand for that type of behavior. I bet if I fire up my chain saw and walk out into the woods they would have a problem with that however. Talk about hypocracy.

Here's a point of clarity for those who don't get it:

If you did such a thing to a dog, would PETA have a problem with it?

If it was done to a 38yr old man, would you be OK with it?

Here's a point of clarity for those who don't get it:

If you did such a thing to a dog, would PETA have a problem with it?

If it was done to a 38yr old man, would you be OK with it?

Are you kidding PETA would ht the roof. I had a run in with one of those nuts years ago. It seems it wasn't ok for me to go hunting for meat to feed my family but it was ok for him to be on private property hunting me. Luckily I knew no one else was suposed to be there and got the drop on the guy beforee he did something stupid.

If it was done to a double ax murdering savage by means of leathal injection they have problems with it.
If you kill a pregnant woman you will go up on double homocide charges. How does that work if it isn't a life until born???
Man now I am confused.

If you kill a pregnant woman you will go up on double homocide charges. How does that work if it isn't a life until born???
Actually those abortion at any time for any reason folks don't like the double murder charge. Especially if it's going to get the culprit executed!![verymad]
If it's double murder that kinda verifies that the woman was carrying a human life.[dummy]

If it's double murder that kinda verifies that the woman was carrying a human life.[dummy]

Thats what I was thinking. I remember that scott peterson fella out in cali everyone wanted him to get double homocide.
I'm glad I am not the only person going senile[laugh]

Thats what I was thinking. I remember that scott peterson fella out in cali everyone wanted him to get double homocide.
Yea there was some nutbag pro abortion group that was actually protesting at the courthouse because they didn't want him charged with double murder!!
Kinda kills their claim that a fetus isn't a life.

Yea there was some nutbag pro abortion group that was actually protesting at the courthouse because they didn't want him charged with double murder!!
Kinda kills their claim that a fetus isn't a life.

[duhhh][duhhh] Well you have to remember that this comes from the party that has as their hero a guy that says; "You can't drive your evil poluting diesel and your suv anytime you want". All the while he is jetting all over the world burning thousands of gallons of jet-a all over the place in his private jet. I bet he makes a larger Carbon footprint in a week than I will make in 20 years[yuk]

[duhhh][duhhh] All the while he is jetting all over the world burning thousands of gallons of jet-a all over the place in his private jet. I bet he makes a larger Carbon footprint in a week than I will make in 20 years[yuk]
Yea I saw a piece about his jet a while back. It seems it's one of the least fuel efficient aircraft in it's class. Really nice how he practices what he preaches!!

Ha! I don't care if it's the MOST fuel efficient! It's *still* a private jet.

Integrity demands that Gore be flying the Gossamer Albatross:
http://www.bfi.org/images/content/frontpage_events/gossamer.jpg

Ha! I don't care if it's the MOST fuel efficient! It's *still* a private jet.

Integrity demands that Gore be flying the Gossamer Albatross:
http://www.bfi.org/images/content/frontpage_events/gossamer.jpg

Have you seen the size of Gore recently? I doubt that thig has sufficient wingspan to get that tub in the air.[laugh]
I like how he had something like a $27,000 electric bill last year.