Nitrous, why are diesel nitrous kits so expensive?
06-27-2007, 03:22 PM
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Nitrous, why are diesel nitrous kits so expensive?
I know the answer, just thought it would be an interesting title.
Seems like anything that has to do with diesel is more expensive. I remember calling a company and asking about a dry nitrous kit and I said, Do you make one for a diesel? He says hold on let me check... Sure do, but it's $300 more.
I said, what's the difference between the two kits? He said I couldn't really tell you.. Why would I pay an extra $300 for a kit just because it says it's made for a diesel? He said, because anything for a diesel is more expensive..
Anyway, just thought I would share that experience with you all. I thought it was funny.
I found a good kit for way less than a "diesel kit".
Thanks to John_P and Banshee for getting me to understand you don't have to pay big $$ to have nitrous on your diesel.
Don't get me wrong, the progressive controller systems are nice, just not for me or my budget.
Seems like anything that has to do with diesel is more expensive. I remember calling a company and asking about a dry nitrous kit and I said, Do you make one for a diesel? He says hold on let me check... Sure do, but it's $300 more.
I said, what's the difference between the two kits? He said I couldn't really tell you.. Why would I pay an extra $300 for a kit just because it says it's made for a diesel? He said, because anything for a diesel is more expensive.. Anyway, just thought I would share that experience with you all. I thought it was funny.
I found a good kit for way less than a "diesel kit".
Thanks to John_P and Banshee for getting me to understand you don't have to pay big $$ to have nitrous on your diesel.
Don't get me wrong, the progressive controller systems are nice, just not for me or my budget.
06-27-2007, 04:41 PM
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What i was thinkin MIKE!!! Twice the money for half the kit.
I think just a purg kit a fogger nozzle and a swap meet 10lb bottle wouldn't be more than 150-160$$$ L-O-L.
TOMMY
I think just a purg kit a fogger nozzle and a swap meet 10lb bottle wouldn't be more than 150-160$$$ L-O-L.
TOMMY
06-27-2007, 05:38 PM
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You can get by without the purge if you dont mind the first second not having full power, actually it might be better for some things as it doesnt hit as hard. I have a friend that runs it on a sleeper street car an he never purges, within a second it has full power so why sweat it.
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Just to give a little more information. I bought my kit for right at $300 shipped to my door. I wanted to have everything I needed without any guess work, so that's the reason I went the route I did.. Actually, there's not much to a nitrous system until you get fancy. The kit was very well put together. Nice braided stainless steel lines, Bosch relay and nice gauge wire and the instruction were clear.
Taking the advise from some good diesel heads, I have everything running off a WOT switch and a hobbs switch wired in series. In other words you have to have you foot planted to the floor and be above a certain set boost for it to come on.
My "budget" kit got me into the 12's, worth every penny...
Taking the advise from some good diesel heads, I have everything running off a WOT switch and a hobbs switch wired in series. In other words you have to have you foot planted to the floor and be above a certain set boost for it to come on.
My "budget" kit got me into the 12's, worth every penny...
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You can get by without the purge if you dont mind the first second not having full power, actually it might be better for some things as it doesnt hit as hard. I have a friend that runs it on a sleeper street car an he never purges, within a second it has full power so why sweat it.
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06-27-2007, 07:17 PM
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I know the answer, just thought it would be an interesting title.
Seems like anything that has to do with diesel is more expensive. I remember calling a company and asking about a dry nitrous kit and I said, Do you make one for a diesel? He says hold on let me check... Sure do, but it's $300 more. I said, what's the difference between the two kits? He said I couldn't really tell you.. Why would I pay an extra $300 for a kit just because it says it's made for a diesel? He said, because anything for a diesel is more expensive..
Anyway, just thought I would share that experience with you all. I thought it was funny.
I found a good kit for way less than a "diesel kit".
Thanks to John_P and Banshee for getting me to understand you don't have to pay big $$ to have nitrous on your diesel.
Don't get me wrong, the progressive controller systems are nice, just not for me or my budget.
Seems like anything that has to do with diesel is more expensive. I remember calling a company and asking about a dry nitrous kit and I said, Do you make one for a diesel? He says hold on let me check... Sure do, but it's $300 more.
I said, what's the difference between the two kits? He said I couldn't really tell you.. Why would I pay an extra $300 for a kit just because it says it's made for a diesel? He said, because anything for a diesel is more expensive.. Anyway, just thought I would share that experience with you all. I thought it was funny.
I found a good kit for way less than a "diesel kit".
Thanks to John_P and Banshee for getting me to understand you don't have to pay big $$ to have nitrous on your diesel.
Don't get me wrong, the progressive controller systems are nice, just not for me or my budget.
Mike:
You are very welcome on the help buddy!
I am glad the NOS helped to get you into the "elusive" 12's! At least YOU listened to Johnner and I! Seriously, what you say is right, you do NOT need to spend alot of money on a NOS kit for a diesel to make some pretty serious power and much better E.T.'s at the drag strip! We are all "living proof" of that.--------
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06-27-2007, 09:39 PM
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No doubt about that Mike and from what I saw seems like pretty good quality. Everything you need, nothing you don't. You did a nice job sourcing that kit. Even with the small shot you are using, it made a really nice gain for you. 
06-28-2007, 12:01 AM
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So how much of a HP difference did it make? The way you describe the system it would be perfect for me to use on the dyno or running against punk ricers... I am intregued...
06-28-2007, 12:40 AM
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I was thinking of building a nos system for mine that would only come on when I have low boost and fuel quite much. Instead of smoking it should get up and go and spool the turbo.
The reason for this is that on the mountain roads you sometimes get into situations where you want to accelerate quickly but are low on boost and can not mash the pedal to get the tranny to kick down (traction reasons)..
I don't see a reason why a diesel kit should cost more than a gasser kit- you need less parts.
The reason for this is that on the mountain roads you sometimes get into situations where you want to accelerate quickly but are low on boost and can not mash the pedal to get the tranny to kick down (traction reasons)..
I don't see a reason why a diesel kit should cost more than a gasser kit- you need less parts.
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I was thinking of building a nos system for mine that would only come on when I have low boost and fuel quite much. Instead of smoking it should get up and go and spool the turbo.
The reason for this is that on the mountain roads you sometimes get into situations where you want to accelerate quickly but are low on boost and can not mash the pedal to get the tranny to kick down (traction reasons)..
I don't see a reason why a diesel kit should cost more than a gasser kit- you need less parts.
The reason for this is that on the mountain roads you sometimes get into situations where you want to accelerate quickly but are low on boost and can not mash the pedal to get the tranny to kick down (traction reasons)..
I don't see a reason why a diesel kit should cost more than a gasser kit- you need less parts.
06-28-2007, 07:20 AM
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Low boost would be bad. I don't have times with my system yet but I used a Hobbs switch set for the 25 to 27 pound range. I went with an arming switch and then used the hobbs switch to turn it on.
06-28-2007, 07:34 AM
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I think a situation like AlpineRam is talking about would be where a progressive controller would shine. Small quick burst of nitrous.
As far as HP gain, I have no idea. If I'm able to make the dyno event in Claremont,VA I will find out.
As far as HP gain, I have no idea. If I'm able to make the dyno event in Claremont,VA I will find out.
06-29-2007, 01:25 AM
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I have no problem with a .083 solenoid with a .037 jet on a momentary switch for spooling. Two quick 'hits' and the turbo is lit.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that typically the more expensive kits add a progressive controller and bigger feed lines to help you down the nitrous junkie line. I don't think it's a bad thing to start out with a $300 kit, but that's all you'll end up with if you want to go bigger later. JMHO of course.
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EDIT: Forgot to mention that typically the more expensive kits add a progressive controller and bigger feed lines to help you down the nitrous junkie line. I don't think it's a bad thing to start out with a $300 kit, but that's all you'll end up with if you want to go bigger later. JMHO of course.
branodn.