The family masonry business needs a new truck, my truck towing a 25ft tandem dually gooseneck just isn't enough. We need a truck with a payload of around 15,000lb after flat deck is put on.

Ideally this truck could haul about 6 pallets of stone, with our current gooseneck, each pallet averages 4500lbs. We need something thats 4x4 and a truck that you don't need a special class lisence to drive. What do you guys recommend, doesn't have to be a dodge.

4500 x 6 - 27,000 lbs , you DO need a CDL

You need a class a cdl for any trailer over 10,000 lbs. For pulling that kind of weight get a dodge with a jake. Your other options for a 4x4 are to go to an international or a unimog but those are both in the six figure range.

I think the over-10k trailer rule might not apply if you're using a "tractor-trailer" setup, but I'm not sure.

If not needing a special license is a major requirement you might be better off getting a straight truck rated at just under 26k. You still won't be able to haul nearly as much as you want at one time, though... like 3 pallets at the most (due entirely to GVW laws).

what about the top kick 5500 series?

You need a Class A CDL if you're pulling 10,000 lbs. with a vehicle that has a GCVWR greater than 26,000 lbs. That's the reason Dodge rated the 4500/5500 with a 26,000 GCVWR. Saves people from needing to get a special license.

Based on your estimates of cargo weight, you're gonna need a truck considerably larger than a Ram 5500. 27K worth of stone? That doesn't even include the weight of the trailer. Even a TopKick (not much higher ratings) would work extremely hard pulling that much weight. But it is your call. let us know what you do!!

You need to step up to a much larger truck and give up 4x4. You would be pushing at least 40,000 lbs with 27k of stone, the truck and trailer. In the US, you are talking class A CDL. Just a truck with a 15k payload would be big.

Check out this place http://www.marmon-herrington.com/ They've been converting MD trucks to 4WD for decades.

Nick

It doesn't matter what your gcvwr is you still need a cdl A to pull a trailer over 10,000lbs unless it is an RV. Most times the DOT will overlook it but they can ticket you and it is a huge fine... up to ten thousand dollars and jail time.

It doesn't matter what your gcvwr is you still need a cdl A to pull a trailer over 10,000lbs unless it is an RV. Most times the DOT will overlook it but they can ticket you and it is a huge fine... up to ten thousand dollars and jail time.

I have never heard this one before. I've heard time and time again that 26,000+ lbs require CDL, but not a trailer over 10k lbs. Not saying its not true...just haven't heard anyone stating this before.

It doesn't matter what your gcvwr is you still need a cdl A to pull a trailer over 10,000lbs unless it is an RV. Most times the DOT will overlook it but they can ticket you and it is a huge fine... up to ten thousand dollars and jail time.

I believe it does matter that if your gcvwr is over 26,001 pounds that you have to have a CDL, I am not sure about the trailer part being 10,000 that it has to be class A but if you are over 26,001 and pulling a trailer then it has to be a class A.
Need to askGMScott on the 6.7 forum he hotshots and would probably know the rules good enough even thogh he has a 1 Ton.

The rules in OR and CA are:
Operating a truck with a GVW over 26K you need a Class B or A
If that truck is towing more than 10K you need an A
For trucks 26K GVW or under you can tow a trailer up to 26K as long as you are under your registered GVW on all of you axles (truck and trailer) when you go over the scales. DOT does not consider GCVW's; not around here anyway.

Nick

I have never heard this one before. I've heard time and time again that 26,000+ lbs require CDL, but not a trailer over 10k lbs. Not saying its not true...just haven't heard anyone stating this before.

I haven't heard that either. The most recent Class A CDL manual states that you need a Class A if you're pulling more than 10K lbs. with a vehicle rated at more than 26K GCVWR. Other wise you'd need a CDL to pull 11,000 lbs. with your F-250!!

I'm in Mass, so it could be a little different, but if you're traveling interstate, I would think there would be a consistency regarding GCVWRs and GVWRs. Can't imagine it being different in each state!!

RV's are exempt including race trailers and some states RV use includes boat trailers. In most states the DOT's are not interested in non-commercial over 10,000 use. Farmers are also exempt within 150 miles of any farm land they farm. Many states exempt farmers from most DOT laws. In KY they don't require tags or inspections on trailers as long as you stay in state. In Va. farm use is the golden pass to almost anything you can pull down a highway as long as all the pieces stay together and you don't have an accident.

Hate to say it but if you need 4X4 then a F-550 Ford would be about the best. With the extra payload package you can get a GVW of 19,000 and a GCVW of 33,000, that is the highest out of any of them. A Chevy 5500 4X4 can go up to 19,500 GVW but only a 26,000 GCVW same as Dodge and Sterling. That is my biggest complaint with Dodge is a GCVW of only 26,000 is nothing. Also having a GCVW of over 26,000 doesn't mean you need a CDL, if your trailer is rated over 10,000 then you need a CDL regarless. I feel they keep it low to help from having all the problems Ford has with rating a truck in this category so high.

The GCVW on the 4500 and 5500 Rams are just technicalities, they will easily pull far more weight than that all day long.

I am a true dodge man but Ford has the better trucks in the 450 and 550 range the 450 has 33,000 gcwr,24,500 5th wheel towing,16,000 convenentional towing,14,500 gvwr, 6,120 payload. dodge doesn't get close also you can go to a 650 and get it with a cummins

I am a true dodge man but Ford has the better trucks in the 450 and 550 range the 450 has 33,000 gcwr,24,500 5th wheel towing,16,000 convenentional towing,14,500 gvwr, 6,120 payload. dodge doesn't get close also you can go to a 650 and get it with a cummins

Right...... That's why Dodge has the best selling C&C trucks on the market right now? [dummy] They have out sold the Ford C&C for two months now by 100-142 trucks. [coffee]

say what you will when it comes to the Ford 450 or 550 but dodge doesn't have the payload look at there specs DUMMY

say what you will when it comes to the Ford 450 or 550 but dodge doesn't have the payload look at there specs DUMMY

I have looked but I go by who has the highest selling number to tell me what people think about the C&C. :cool:

the requirements vary from state to state. I reside in two states, New Mexico and California. A 14,000lb trailer in new mexico, texas, arizoa with a combined weight under 26,200 lbs is totally legal.

in California it is illegal to pull a commercial trailer (if you put a tool in it it is commercial) utility, dump, equipment haulers etc requires a class A license. not a class B unless it is agriculture.
i am stuck in california with my track loader and dump trailer because unknowingly i pulled them from NM to CA and i don't have a class A license.
check with the motor vehicle departments in the states you travel in.

Hate to say it but if you need 4X4 then a F-550 Ford would be about the best. With the extra payload package you can get a GVW of 19,000 and a GCVW of 33,000, that is the highest out of any of them. A Chevy 5500 4X4 can go up to 19,500 GVW but only a 26,000 GCVW same as Dodge and Sterling. That is my biggest complaint with Dodge is a GCVW of only 26,000 is nothing. Also having a GCVW of over 26,000 doesn't mean you need a CDL, if your trailer is rated over 10,000 then you need a CDL regarless. I feel they keep it low to help from having all the problems Ford has with rating a truck in this category so high.

It is a disapointment to me on the GCVW of only 26,000 on the Dodge when you know darn well the Dodge will outpull the Higher rated Ford.

My next truck will be a 4500 C&C anyways despite the lower ratings, just waiting for the new bodystyle to come out.

I am a true dodge man but Ford has the better trucks in the 450 and 550 range the 450 has 33,000 gcwr,24,500 5th wheel towing,16,000 convenentional towing,14,500 gvwr, 6,120 payload. dodge doesn't get close also you can go to a 650 and get it with a cummins

Like stated in many posts. Dodge kept it low for CDL reasons. My old 94 Dually 10,500 towed a 3 car trailer 15k all day long with out an issue. I hardley doubt a new truck with bigger brakes, More power, and Better tires cant easily handle 33k. My old Dodge was at 225Hp at best with 3.54 rear end. No way you can make me believe that 305HP 600tq 4.10 rear end or better cant tow more than 26k GCVWR

Oh and I think this set up on a Sterling is bit more than 26k by quite a bit
http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=2023925&GUID=EC1628B8B9774BD39AFE4578364711B3
http://www.truckpaper.com/images/Truck/fullsize/80199463.jpg

IF your trialer weight is over 10,000 lbs you have to have a class 1 lisence.Check with the DOt on what your vehicle weight is when you go to a class 3. You might find it easier just getting in and out of some of the places with a smaller tractor trailer unit then a with one that will carry all of what you need for a job even a secand trailer for the job might be easier and cheaper to insure?. One or two of your crew then would need to have a class 1 licence for that kind of weight? Maybe even a larger class 3 truck that will do what you need?

You could pick up a nice used U-Haul and pull the box off.

You need a class a cdl for any trailer over 10,000 lbs. For pulling that kind of weight get a dodge with a jake. Your other options for a 4x4 are to go to an international or a unimog but those are both in the six figure range.

You need a Class A CDL if you're pulling 10,000 lbs. with a vehicle that has a GCVWR greater than 26,000 lbs. That's the reason Dodge rated the 4500/5500 with a 26,000 GCVWR. Saves people from needing to get a special license.

It doesn't matter what your gcvwr is you still need a cdl A to pull a trailer over 10,000lbs unless it is an RV. Most times the DOT will overlook it but they can ticket you and it is a huge fine... up to ten thousand dollars and jail time.


You Guys are wrong. under 26k it doesnt matter what the trailer rating is. As long as the truck and trailer tags have GVWR totaling under 26k, I pulled at 48ft Appalachian with my 3500 and came in at 25,500. Also the GCVWR means nothing. And has nothing to do with laws. its an insurance rating thing. A truck with 19k GWVR can tow more than 7k.

Ok and before all you know it all non CDl guys chime in about the 10k which pertains Class B trucks. and really nothing else. hence a 33k truck can tow up to 10k trailer after that its an CDL A.

So if I borrow my buddies Explorer and use this trailer http://www.trailersforless.com/pj_6_channel_custom_carhauler.html with a 10,400 GVWR I can get my CDL A with air brake restriction? Even though I am at probably at 18k GVCWR.

Dont listen to anyone that tells you that 10k law needs a CDL A. Learn the laws.

say what you will when it comes to the Ford 450 or 550 but dodge doesn't have the payload look at there specs DUMMY

What good is payload when the truck is in the shop half the time ? Only a dummy would buy a Powerchoke .

You could pick up a nice used U-Haul and pull the box off.

Nice U-Haul is an oxymoron . Those trucks are beat to death and poorly maintained .

[roll] Just offering another option to start with[tapdshut]

You can probably get a good deal on a GM medium duty about now [laugh]

John

a chevy 4500 will pull ur load with ease.. i kno a guy who has one and pulled a 38thousand lb boat and he didnt even kno it

a chevy 4500 will pull ur load with ease.. i kno a guy who has one and pulled a 38thousand lb boat and he didnt even kno it

Umm 38,000 pound boat huh? Umm I am sure he knew it was back there since the nose of his truck would be straight up in the air. Secondly a boat that size he would have to oversized load tags and permits to move it down street. And there is NO WAY He pulled a 38k boat with a 4500. Go flame another board

Umm 38,000 pound boat huh? Umm I am sure he knew it was back there since the nose of his truck would be straight up in the air. Secondly a boat that size he would have to oversized load tags and permits to move it down street. And there is NO WAY He pulled a 38k boat with a 4500. Go flame another board

I somewhat agree. Although he may have done it but its highly over the limits. And good luck stopping all that weight.

Plus --- I'm no boat expert so correct me if I'm wrong but any boat at 38k lbs empty is probably TOO big to travel over the road even with oversize permits. Thing must be HUGE!!!! Probably just easier to launch and skipper it up or down the coast to where you need it. Or is this just a little lake boat? [laugh]

Lets estimate GCVW ... 38k boat + 11k truck + 9k trailer = 58k ----- WOW! No one in their right mind would take this chance with a 4500 anything!

So Spooling, it's been several months. What did you end up getting??

John

Haha hey you could have a boat that heavy thatll fit between the lines of the road with ease....its called a rock with oars and itll eventually sink :) :)

I pulled a 36,000 lb trailer with a 3/4 ton dodge for 3500 miles. I now have a 3500 dually and now want a 45 or 5500. A boat that big, i would like to see pictures on that. Not saying he cant pull the weight, just saying that it is a very big size. Cant imagine all the permits.