Well I watched Michelle speak to the Convention and I have to say it was bland and artificial at best.
She spoke of hope and change and how she and Barrack passed up big money careers to help the folks of south side Chicago. [yuk] She never spoke of what kind of change. As we all know the proof is in the pudding and this will be some nasty stuff!!
Her and Barrack both went to an Ivy league school (Harvard) yet when she talked of college she never mentioned her and Barracks Alma Mater. Was she avoiding it to try to clean up their elitist image? My answer is yes!!
At the end of her speech she put on the fake sniffle as if she was emotional about what she was saying but not once did her voice quiver, or crack nor did her eyes ever glisten as they would had this been a real and emotional moment. Much like Hillary's little Feux moment when she acted worked up about the importance of the campaign.
Now many of the SHEEP in the crowd seemed to have fell for it but then many liberals have proved themselves to be quit gullible.
I'd say they essentially wasted this night, which is a good thing considering Obama and McCain are currently in an exact dead heat!! 45% - 45%
I hope they waste the next 3 nights with meaningless B/S!!
To add James Carville (far left hack) seems to agree with me. On anther network Carville said, "If this party has a message it's done a he!! of a job hiding it tonight, I promise you that!!"
I love watching DIMs cannibalize their own!![laugh][laugh][laugh][laugh]

Make no mistake, she is the same racist she was was last year, the year before and probably all of her life. Just like her husband, she has been groomed, and with the help of words put in her mouth by a teleprompter, she will say anything needed. They are both mere puppets for the real powers of the Democratic Party, whoever they are. Neither has had a sudden awakening and become a different person.

And the biggest applause came from name dropping and overused cliches.

So did anyone see Ted's speech? I just saw the end of the DNC right before the news and it seemed all the commentators were fawning over it.

i try to stay away from party bashing just for it's own sake, so in all honesty, the small part of her speech that i saw replayed on Fox News seemed very overacted, very rehearsed, and very insincere. now anyone could say that is just how she is when speaking in public, in front of a large group of people, but i saw how much more natural and sincere she seemed when she was campaigning for her husband and made the 'this is the first time i've ever been proud of my country' comment.

I only watched part of Ted's speech. I was more impressed with him just being there than with what he was saying. Tough old fart...............

Make no mistake, she is the same racist she was was last year, the year before and probably all of her life. Just like her husband, she has been groomed, and with the help of words put in her mouth by a teleprompter, she will say anything needed. They are both mere puppets for the real powers of the Democratic Party, whoever they are. Neither has had a sudden awakening and become a different person.

Bingo. I think the real powers are the Communist leaders from abroad.[laugh]

Your right,for a person who has not been sober for 40 years Ted did look pretty good.Can anybody say Mary Jo?[verymad]

Her and Barrack both went to an Ivy league school (Harvard) yet when she talked of college she never mentioned her and Barracks Alma Mater. Was she avoiding it to try to clean up their elitist image? [laugh][laugh][laugh][laugh]

Evidently, a Harvard education is a negative thing for a presidential candidate? Would you respect him more if graduated from a community college?

Only a conservative would label a black man, deserted by his father, raised by his mother and grandparents as being an “elitist”. Obama is self made. As far as Michelle Obama, her father was a city worker. Neither of these 2 people come from big money families, yet they get labeled as the “elitist”, while the man who owns more homes than he can keep track of, the offspring of a 4 star admiral and a 4 star admiral grandfather, product of private prep schools and the US Naval Academy is not.

Conservatives are spending all there time trying to tear Obama down. If you think McCain will make a better president, why don't to spend your time telling us why, instead of spending it all tearing Obama down.

It's not hard to be an "elitest" when you pray on the uneducated, uninformed and cohort with know criminals to get your house and no telling what else. You tell me where they got the money for their educations.......... If he had more credibility than he has, I wouldn't care where he graduated.

Granted, McCain does not have the background of the Obamas, so what does having a "silver spoon" in his mouth have to do with him dedicating himself to public service? Why is he not living on the Riveria spending money and worrying about nothing. If you think he is the power hungry, money grubbers the Obamas are, you are very uninformed.

It's not hard to be an "elitest" when you pray on the uneducated, uninformed and cohort with know criminals to get your house and no telling what else. You tell me where they got the money for their educations.......... If he had more credibility than he has, I wouldn't care where he graduated.

Granted, McCain does not have the background of the Obamas, so what does having a "silver spoon" in his mouth have to do with him dedicating himself to public service? Why is he not living on the Riveria spending money and worrying about nothing. If you think he is the power hungry, money grubbers the Obamas are, you are very uninformed.

And where did they get the money for the million dollar house? Apparently public service and working for the people pays better than I thought. Plus, you would think that a Harvard education would be a plus...why no mention of it? Trying to hide something??

It's not hard to be an "elitest" when you pray on the uneducated, uninformed and cohort with know criminals to get your house and no telling what else. You tell me where they got the money for their educations.......... If he had more credibility than he has, I wouldn't care where he graduated.

Granted, McCain does not have the background of the Obamas, so what does having a "silver spoon" in his mouth have to do with him dedicating himself to public service? Why is he not living on the Riveria spending money and worrying about nothing. If you think he is the power hungry, money grubbers the Obamas are, you are very uninformed.

i think he asked why McCain would be better without tearing Obama down.
personally, the one thing i don't like about the political discussion section is that if you even raise questions about the right, you are flamed. now i know we're all adults here and can stand some heat, but if anyone with a different point of view just gets flamed, with no one even offering up valid points backing up their flaming, this is just going to be the same 5 or 10 Republicans more or less agreeing with each other.

speyguy asked why McCain would be a better president than Obama, without tearing Obama down, and you just posted 2 paragraphs tearing Obama down without 1 single reason that McCain would be better.

And where did they get the money for the million dollar house? Apparently public service and working for the people pays better than I thought. Plus, you would think that a Harvard education would be a plus...why no mention of it? Trying to hide something??

post #2 without a single mention of why McCain would be better.

The majority of the folks here who are flaming the Dem's that are about to take over, are the same ones who were tauting how good King George was going to be for our country[coffee]

OK. My opinion.........McCain has more experience (which in itself is reason enough), he has been deemed by both sides as a "liberal Republican", which means he is not afraid to cross the isle to do what's best for ALL Americans. He has forgot more about foreign policy than Obama will learn in the next ten years. He has not written books with innuendos that he does not like black people (Obamas 20+ years with the Rev Wright is enough to show his raciest tendencies). YOU take time to compare how many votes each missed while in office.

Obama is being used by the Demo powers just like “Tony” Rezko had him set up for future favors. Rezkos type does not do favors for free. Too bad Rezko got caught before Obama was caught with his hand in the cookie bowl.

Evidently, a Harvard education is a negative thing for a presidential candidate? Would you respect him more if graduated from a community college?
No I would respect him more if he didn't try to make himself out as a middle class regular guy! Michelle actually said that they were middle class folks during her speech. That would be an outright lie!!

Only a conservative would label a black man, deserted by his father, raised by his mother and grandparents as being an “elitist”. Obama is self made. As far as Michelle Obama, her father was a city worker. Neither of these 2 people come from big money families, yet they get labeled as the “elitist”,
His status growing up has nothing to do with his current status and attitude.
He and his wife are fakes just like Bill and Hillary.
while the man who owns more homes than he can keep track of, the offspring of a 4 star admiral and a 4 star admiral grandfather, product of private prep schools and the US Naval Academy is not.
I've yet to hear him pretend he's something that he isn't.

Conservatives are spending all there time trying to tear Obama down.
Oh and the DIMwits haven't been doing the same with McCain. Ya gotta quit drinking that Koolaide!![laugh][laugh]
If you think McCain will make a better president, why don't to spend your time telling us why, instead of spending it all tearing Obama down.
Ok

McCain says he wants to keep the current tax cuts in place. Barrack wants to increase our taxes. Increased taxes are always bad but in a time of economic slow down it's suicidal!!
McCain has always pushed to WIN in Iraq. Obama has preached an instant pullout for 2 years now. Had we done that we'd have never seen the success of the surge. And therefore our troops would have came home without their dignity!
Now that gas prices are up in the 3-4 dollar range McCain is all increased drilling.
Obama is still not in favor of increasing our supply at home.
And before you mention the alternative B/S McCain is also for alternative fuels at the same time. Obama is an alternative only guy!
McCain would not unilaterally and unconditionally have talks with the leaders of rouge states our states who sponsor terror. Obama has advocated that very thing.
McCain has not pushed for a govt. controlled Health care system but rather setting up the environment for small businesses and individuals to be able to purchase their own health ins. at an affordable rate.
Obama wants to create another govt. beaucracy to control our health care needs.
McCain is not close friends with nor has he served on multiple boards with an American terrorist. (Bill Ayers!!) A man who says that he wished he had done more in respect to his bombing!!
http://worldnetdaily.com/images/obamayersad.JPG

and last but not least...McCain is not an empty suit, Obama is! He's done nothing but serve part of 2 yrs in the senate. In actuality he's been campaigning most of those 2 yrs!!
Need any more reasons to NOT vote for him??

And their answers on "When is a life a life?". McCain did not hesitate.....Obama is still trying to answer. (must have been a glitch in his teleprompter)

The majority of the folks here who are flaming the Dem's that are about to take over, are the same ones who were tauting how good King George was going to be for our country[coffee]

What does that have to do with anything?:rolleyes: King George will soon be gone and you had better start worrying about your future. You are prime meat for Osama Obamas tax plan. :o

What does that have to do with anything?:rolleyes: King George will soon be gone and you had better start worrying about your future. You are prime meat for Osama Obamas tax plan. :o

They were wrong then, MAYBE they could be wrong again. [coffee]

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McCain says he wants to keep the current tax cuts in place. Barrack wants to increase our taxes. Increased taxes are always bad but in a time of economic slow down it's suicidal!!
McCain has always pushed to WIN in Iraq. Obama has preached an instant pullout for 2 years now. Had we done that we'd have never seen the success of the surge. And therefore our troops would have came home without their dignity!
Now that gas prices are up in the 3-4 dollar range McCain is all increased drilling.
Obama is still not in favor of increasing our supply at home.
And before you mention the alternative B/S McCain is also for alternative fuels at the same time. Obama is an alternative only guy!
McCain would not unilaterally and unconditionally have talks with the leaders of rouge states our states who sponsor terror. Obama has advocated that very thing.
McCain has not pushed for a govt. controlled Health care system but rather setting up the environment for small businesses and individuals to be able to purchase their own health ins. at an affordable rate.
Obama wants to create another govt. beaucracy to control our health care needs.

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*McCain [B]opposed the Bush tax cuts. didn't seem to like them until he started running for president.

*McCain has always been a hawk, and has always been commited to victory in Iraq.

*for years McCain opposed all new domestic and offshore drilling. he had a change of heart (flip-flop) in May of this year, then coincidentally received $1.1 million in campaign contributions from big oil in June.

*while McCain doesn't want to apease terrorist nations by sitting down with them, he also opposed coerced interrogation of U.S. held terror suspects and convicted terrorists, even after the water boarding of Khalib Sheik Mohammed uncovered a terror plot against NYC.

*McCain joined hands with Ted Kennedy (:eek:) in supporting a failed bill that would have given approx. 12 million illlegal aliens amnesty, and would have cost American taxpayers billions.

*McCain co-authored the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill, that allowed groups like Moveon.org and others to spend unlimited $$$ trying to affect the outcome of elections.

They were wrong then, MAYBE they could be wrong again. [coffee]

Why gamble with a racist, unproven, new comer?

They were wrong then, MAYBE they could be wrong again. [coffee]
Hmmm so cutting taxes and therefore turning around the Clinton recession wasn't good for the country??
I always thought growing the economy while simultsaniously fighting on 2 war fronts was a pretty good task!!
I guess mounting interns is more respectable??[laugh]

*McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts. didn't seem to like them until he started running for president.
For what it's worth he opposed them because there weren't any spending cuts attached to them. I disagreed with him on his opposition but at least he's on board now.

*McCain has always been a hawk, and has always been commited to victory in Iraq.

*for years McCain opposed all new domestic and offshore drilling. he had a change of heart (flip-flop) in May of this year, then coincidentally received $1.1 million in campaign contributions from big oil in June.

At least he's on board now. Not doubting you but I'd like to see the report that shows those contributions.


*while McCain doesn't want to apease terrorist nations by sitting down with them, he also opposed coerced interrogation of U.S. held terror suspects and convicted terrorists, even after water boarding of Khalib Sheik Mohammed uncovered a terror plot against NYC.

*McCain supported a failed bill that would have given approx. 12 million illlegal aliens amnesty, and would have cost American taxpayers billions.

*McCain co-authored the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill, that allowed groups like Moveon.org and others spend unlimited $$$ trying to affect the outcome of elections.
These are the reasons why I would have preferred someone else at the top of the ticket.
BUT
Obama is in favor of all of the things I dislike about McCain and against all of the things that I like about him.

Obama is in favor of all of the things I dislike about McCain and against all of the things that I like about him.

no doubt- that's why most conservatives are for McCain (myself included), but i do like the idea of posting reasons and fact about who we support (or even things that our candidate is doing/has done that we don't like) rather than just bashing the opposition.

here's the Washington Post story about the $1.1 million in campaign contributions McCain received from big oil in June, after his about face on domestic drilling:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891_pf.html

no doubt- that's why most conservatives are for McCain (myself included), but i do like the idea of posting reasons and fact about who we support (or even things that our candidate is doing/has done that we don't like) rather than just bashing the opposition.
I hear ya. But we do need to point out the negatives of the opponent.
If for no other reason than to anger those little guys!![laugh][laugh][laugh]

Was there anything illegal about the donations? Has "big Oil" been convicted or charged with fraud and bribery?


here's the Washington Post story about the $1.1 million in campaign contributions McCain received from big oil in June, after his about face on domestic drilling:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891_pf.html

here's the Washington Post story about the $1.1 million in campaign contributions McCain received from big oil in June, after his about face on domestic drilling:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891_pf.html

Well if you think about it it's only natural to donate to the guy that is advocating good things for you.
That's why I vote for the Republicans. They don't propose everything I want but the DIMs propose nothing that I could ever want!!

Was there anything illegal about the donations? Has "big Oil" been convicted or charged with fraud and bribery?

so is being charged and/or convicted your only barometer of what's right, wrong, or suspect?

Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright didn't involve anything illegal, but is it right?

Obama has never been tried or convicted for his relationship with Tony Rezko, or for anything involving how he obtained his house, or how the property adjacent to it that Rezko purchased for $625,000 (on the same day that Obama closed on his house) ended up being sold back to Obama for little more than $100,000, but is it right?

if you're going to use charges and convictions as your guideline for right and wrong, you going to have to disregard every negative statement that has been made about Obama on this forum, because none involve any criminal charges or convictions.

Make no mistake, she is the same racist she was was last year, the year before and probably all of her life.
That gets me there.

Really getting down to the underbelly of America would surely prove there have been no better RACIST in history that the whites. [nonono]

Are most black people racist, sure! But if we are supposed to believe for a hot second that there is any larger group of bigots and outright hate filled racists than white men.........?

Hence the reason he will win, just about everyone I know under 35 is totally sick of the way their parents and grandparents have hammered falsehoods about entire races into their heads. I have a 13 year old and refuse to let him believe that just because some kids are born with brown or black skin that he is any better than them.

Lame comments. No doubt that there are racist of all colors in this country. But why elect a black, racist president? To teach people a lesson? Would you elect the head of the KKK to teach the minorities a lesson? We are not at the end, but we, as a country, have made a lot of progress against racism in the past 40 years. Why elect a leader that will most likely reverse a lot of that progress? Just because he's black is a poor, poor excuse of a reason. Take time to do a search and you will find many, many blacks that are much more qualified and capable of running this country than Barak Omama.

Also, glad you have so much control over your son and refuse to let him make his own judgments.


That gets me there.

Really getting down to the underbelly of America would surely prove there have been no better RACIST in history that the whites. [nonono]

Are most black people racist, sure! But if we are supposed to believe for a hot second that there is any larger group of bigots and outright hate filled racists than white men.........?

Hence the reason he will win, just about everyone I know under 35 is totally sick of the way their parents and grandparents have hammered falsehoods about entire races into their heads. I have a 13 year old and refuse to let him believe that just because some kids are born with brown or black skin that he is any better than them.

no doubt- that's why most conservatives are for McCain (myself included), but i do like the idea of posting reasons and fact about who we support (or even things that our candidate is doing/has done that we don't like) rather than just bashing the opposition.

here's the Washington Post story about the $1.1 million in campaign contributions McCain received from big oil in June, after his about face on domestic drilling:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891_pf.html

What that Washington post article failed to mention is that Obama has also recieved $423,000 in donations from the same group (big oil) so evidently his hands aren't entirely clean either. Not as much money as McCain, but I guess too much to turn down.

That gets me there.

Really getting down to the underbelly of America would surely prove there have been no better RACIST in history that the whites. [nonono]
Well let's see;
Black Panthers, NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, The New Black Panthers, Congressional Black Caucus, Nation of Islam, United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, Nation of Yahweh. All of these are anti white hate groups or hate mongers!
Now sure you can list more white hate groups but what I find disturbing is how someone can justify these folks and consider them mainstream when they claim that they want peace among the races yet their actions and the name of their groups preach separatism!! Can you imagine a congressional WHITE Caucus or the NWACP?? Would that really be considered non racist?? How can one justify the use of race in a campaign, or even a job interview if they want complete equality. Wanna make a white dislike a black???? Just use race as a tool against em. You'll get just that as you will if race is used as a tool against blacks!! The difference is that a white person will get hate crimes charged against them but a black person will some how get justification.

Are most black people racist, sure! But if we are supposed to believe for a hot second that there is any larger group of bigots and outright hate filled racists than white men.........?
Well I can promise you that throughout my adult life and the majority of my youth I've heard more racist remarks from the blacks in the world (including women) than I have whites.

Hence the reason he will win, just about everyone I know under 35 is totally sick of the way their parents and grandparents have hammered falsehoods about entire races into their heads.
Does that include the black parents hammering racist falsehoods into the heads of their children?? You know the remarks;
"The White man wants to keep you down."
"The white man hates black people."
"The white man controls the world"
and the most recent attack
"The white man created aides to kill off the black man!"
Now that would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that some people are stupid enough to believe it. Whites and blacks alike!![redface]

I have a 13 year old and refuse to let him believe that just because some kids are born with brown or black skin that he is any better than them.
I was taught the exact same thing and so were my kids. When I see a racist I'm ashamed of and for them...no matter what the color is!!

What that Washington post article failed to mention is that Obama has also recieved $423,000 in donations from the same group (big oil) so evidently his hands aren't entirely clean either. Not as much money as McCain, but I guess too much to turn down.

that is true, but there are 2 things that should be recognized:

1. most of McCain's money came from the industry itself, while most of Obama's money came from individual employee contributions.


2. in May, McCain only took in $208,000 in oil company contributions, then he changes his position late in May, which leads to the oil industry upping their contributions to the McCain campaign to $1.1 million, or about 5x what they were the previous month.

The funny part is that in almost every thread about Obama, who is the first to point out the fact that he is black? It often comes down to an Obama supporter saying something about others being against him "because he's black". No one said "We don't like him because he's black". How many ads have you seen saying. "Don't vote for Obama. He's black!"

Or if someone speaks negatively about an Obama supporter saying they support him just because he's black, they're condemned as a racist. While if you had any voter saying they will vote for McCain because he is white, that voter will end up on the same racist side of the coin.

Granted, there is an element out there that will hate blacks no matter what. But by the same token, there is also an element that will hate whites no matter what. So what makes the white person with racist views so much worse than the colored person with the same type of racist views? Why does it seem that racism is viewed to be much worse when it is going one direction vs. the other?

that is true, but there are 2 things that should be recognized:

1. most of McCain's money came from the industry itself, while most of Obama's money came from individual employee contributions.



Incorrect according the AP article:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/26/factcheck-claims-omit-details-on-mccain-record-1/

The numbers quoted are the same group of people..."oil and gas industry employees and their spouses".

Overall, the contribution rate is 73% to Republican candidates, and 27% to Democratic candidates:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?ind=E01

Beats me, but the talk is that McCain may stick to his word and go with public funding after the nomination, which could change everything. We shall see...

Incorrect according the AP article:


The numbers quoted are the same group of people..."oil and gas industry employees and their spouses".

Overall, the contribution rate is 73% to Republican candidates, and 27% to Democratic candidates:


who knows which is correct, but this is part of the article where i got the info from:



McCain has still pocketed more oil industry cash: $1.3 million, to Obama’s $394,000. The cash haul includes including McCain’s recent headline-grabbing advantage with Hess Corp., who donated $91,000 to the presumptive Republican nominee’s presidential bid, while giving Obama's just $8,000.

The industry’s support for McCain “shot up after the presumptive Republican nominee announced his support for offshore drilling.

who knows which is correct,

I agree, the devil is in the details. But corporations themselves are prohibited from making contributions. The Hess contribution was likely a combination of PAC and employee contributions. The majority of contributions has come from individuals (i.e. employees) within the industry.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is despite the criticism from the democrats, both parties have their hand in the cookie jar to some extent. I guess we strayed a bit off topic. [duhhh]

And where did they get the money for the million dollar house? Apparently public service and working for the people pays better than I thought.

Your taking your eye off the ball. I was pointing out the irony. The conservative side is attempting to paint Obama as the elitist, while McCain with his 40 million dollar net worth and more homes than he can recall, is the regular guy. Personally, I don’t really care who has more money, or who was the more privileged.

For the record, a million dollar house anymore is not as big as deal as you make it out to be. These days, where I live, a quarter million dollars ($250,000) gets you a 1200 sq ft starter home in a crappy neighborhood. I don't know where they got the money to buy the house. Maybe a mortgage? But if you think it’s a relevant question of one candidate, why not both?
Plus, you would think that a Harvard education would be a plus...why no mention of it? Trying to hide something??

Yes, I think they are trying to hide the fact that they are Harvard educated. It’s a shameful thing.

while McCain with his 40 million dollar net worth and more homes than he can recall,..........

Have you considered that his chosen life as a politician is more important than knowing how much $$$ he has are how many houses he has? Is it mandatory that wealthy people know how much they have? I'm sure there are many wealthy people that don't sit around and ponder their assets.

If you haven't already, read the whole story about the Obamas, Rezko and the house.

Was there anything illegal about the donations? Has "big Oil" been convicted or charged with fraud and bribery?

There's nothing wrong with consensual sex between adults either. Oh, yeah. When it’s a dem it’s all about the morals. When it’s a republican, it’s all about legalities.

If you haven't already, read the whole story about the Obamas, Rezko and the house.

It's quite an indictment on Obama!!
So is the latest info on his connection with William Ayers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/02/19/PH2008021900931.jpg

There's nothing wrong with consensual sex between adults either. Oh, yeah. When it’s a dem it’s all about the morals. When it’s a republican, it’s all about legalities.
I assume you're speaking of Slick Willy and his impeachment.
He wasn't impeached for sex he was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction!![dummy]

Does that include the black parents hammering racist falsehoods into the heads of their children?? You know the remarks;
"The White man wants to keep you down."
"The white man hates black people."
"The white man controls the world"
and the most recent attack
"The white man created aides to kill off the black man!"
Now that would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that some people are stupid enough to believe it. Whites and blacks alike!![redface]

Me thinks that someone is spending entirely way too much time hanging around the black people. Cause, that's how you know all that right?

Have you considered that his chosen life as a politician is more important than knowing how much $$$ he has are how many houses he has? Is it mandatory that wealthy people know how much they have? I'm sure there are many wealthy people that don't sit around and ponder their assets.

No, again, what I’m pointing out is the irony. While conservatives are trying to point out Obama as the elitist, it’s McCain who is actually out of touch.

No, again, what I’m pointing out is the irony. While conservatives are trying to point out Obama as the elitist, it’s McCain who is actually out of touch.
Please explain. What indicates to you that McCain is out of touch??

Me thinks that someone is spending entirely way too much time hanging around the black people. Cause, that's how you know all that right?

I know all of that because I hear many folks saying it!!
The black folk that I "Hang around" with don't say such garbage. They're reasonable Americans who believe in personal responsibility. There are others who only want to place blame!!

I guess we strayed a bit off topic. [duhhh]

i guess so- it seems that we don't start many new threads, we just take the old ones to a new topic. [laugh]

Read on with an open mind. I know some heads will explode, but...

Really getting down to the underbelly of America would surely prove there have been no better RACIST in history that the whites. [nonono]

Are most black people racist, sure! But if we are supposed to believe for a hot second that there is any larger group of bigots and outright hate filled racists than white men.........?

Hence the reason he will win, just about everyone I know under 35 is totally sick of the way their parents and grandparents have hammered falsehoods about entire races into their heads. I have a 13 year old and refuse to let him believe that just because some kids are born with brown or black skin that he is any better than them.

Sorry, there have been, and always will be, a larger group of racists than "whites". Muslims. According to the teachings of islam, ALL races and religions except islam are to be driven out, subordinated or exterminated. But that's not the issue here, is it?

Many undereducated people believe that whitey chased the African man down in his native Africa and dragged him to America in chains. Not really. The VAST majority of slaves were procured from Africans selling defeated enemy tribe members to the whitey. And guess what? That intertribal hatred continues just as vehemently today, except the slave market is for domestic use only and the defeated enemy is more often riddled with 7.62X39 holes, or they've had limbs hacked off to ensure they'll never take up arms against the victors.

As far as white vs black racism, a white preacher spouting racist remarks would be burned at the stake- figuratively, if not literally. A black preacher spewing racist remarks is given what essentially amounts to a "pass". A beautiful way to show how tolerant a nation we are!

Jesse Jarpton extorts money, cushy jobs for friends and relatives, "grants" and "honorariums" from companies like Coca-Cola, Ford, Toyota, McDonalds and Budwieser under threat of rallying black America in protests against them for not having enough black board members and blacks in upper management postitions. Strange, a few staff changes and a fat donation neutralizes these threats. Jesse called New York City "Hymietown" and never apologized. He said the remark wasn't meant to be heard. Scum. Racist. Bigot.

Al Shackson bellowed that Tawana Brawley was raped, beaten, urinated on, had feces smeared on her and had racist words written on her by between 3 and 6 "white men", one of whom was an Assistant District Attorney, and another was a cop. Even after her story was found to be completely fabricated, Shackson CONTINUE to spit vile, racist accusations about the completely exonerated men. He has never apologized, never recanted his horrible accusations. Scum. Racist. Bigot.

There is no room for racism. You have the right to hang out with people you're comfortable with and to avoid people your not comfortable with. If you're so shallow or ignorant to dislike a person because of skin color or ethnicity, it's to your detriment.

There is no room for institutionalized hatred. MEChA, Aryans, Black Panthers, Islamic Brotherhood, Rainbow Coalition... all founded on and fueled by exploitation of superficial differences. Scum. Racists. Bigots.

Now we are poised to cast our votes and elect the next leader of what can arguably still be called the greatest nation on the planet.

One is a lifetime politician, a POW, a businessman, and a hero. Unfortunately, he is a politician, so his integrity has been compromised.

The other can graciously be called a freshman senator. Two years' experience as a mid-level manager and he thinks he's got the goods to fill the toughest position in the world- CEO of America. He has nothing comforting in his senate voting record. A history of voting against the Bill of Rights and voting for softening the punishments meted out to violent felons. A candidate who has suggested that convicted felons should have their right to vote restored to them. A man who described Jeremiah Wright his spritual advisor, lifelong friend; Wright married Barack and Michelle and baptized Barack's two daughters. Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." Wow. Wright said America deserved 9/11, said the white government developed AIDS specifically to destroy the black race, accused the gov't of starting the crack epidemic to target the black race, and stated that the "three strikes" law was meant to unfairly prosecute and jail the black race.

Not "particularly controversial." If you're already leaning that way, I guess it wouldn't seem particularly far out in left field. Pun intended.

I'll let you rest on this: if your "spiritual advisor" was someone you disagree with on some very fundemental issues, would he be your spiritual advisor for 20 years?

Res ipsa loquitur. Scum. Racist. Bigot.

Just to be clear, I don't care what color a person's skin is, I despise racists. "In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek..."
If you lift up a race as being superior IN ANY WAY, you're a racist.
If you put down a race as being deficient IN ANY WAY, you're a racist.
If you think a particular race should be given preferential treatment, you're a racist.
If you think that a particular race has been in power long enough and it's time for a member of another race to be in charge just because they should get their turn, you're a racist.
-with apologies to Jeff Foxworthy.

There's nothing wrong with consensual sex between adults either. Oh, yeah. When it’s a dem it’s all about the morals. When it’s a republican, it’s all about legalities.

Sorry, but you missed this one big time. Not a very good analogy.

Lame comments. No doubt that there are racist of all colors in this country. But why elect a black, racist president? To teach people a lesson? Would you elect the head of the KKK to teach the minorities a lesson? We are not at the end, but we, as a country, have made a lot of progress against racism in the past 40 years. Why elect a leader that will most likely reverse a lot of that progress? Just because he's black is a poor, poor excuse of a reason. Take time to do a search and you will find many, many blacks that are much more qualified and capable of running this country than Barak Omama.

Also, glad you have so much control over your son and refuse to let him make his own judgments.

What gives you the right to decide my comments are "Lame"?

It's not about control with my son, I just chose not to sling around racial slurs like I've been taught all my life.

What gives you the right to decide my comments are "Lame"?

Just my opinion. Sorry if I used the wrong word.

It's not about control with my son, I just chose not to sling around racial slurs like I've been taught all my life.

I have a 13 year old and refuse to let him believe that just because some kids are born with brown or black skin that he is any better than them.

This is a lot different statement than just not using racial slurs.

Whatever you say fella.

Been around rednecks, hillbillys and other white trash all my life. I just have to openly laugh when I hear them running their mouths about "ni*gers", I get a huge kick out it.

Whatever you say fella.

Been around rednecks, hillbillys and other white trash all my life. I just have to openly laugh when I hear them running their mouths about "ni*gers", I get a huge kick out it.


I've heard it all of my life too. But, I don't "get a huge kick out of it", I turn my back on it, same as I do blacks and other races that use slurs against white people.

That gets me there.

Really getting down to the underbelly of America would surely prove there have been no better RACIST in history that the whites. [nonono]

Are most black people racist, sure! But if we are supposed to believe for a hot second that there is any larger group of bigots and outright hate filled racists than white men.........?

Hence the reason he will win, just about everyone I know under 35 is totally sick of the way their parents and grandparents have hammered falsehoods about entire races into their heads. I have a 13 year old and refuse to let him believe that just because some kids are born with brown or black skin that he is any better than them.

If you have not already determined it, you should note that the three or four people who like to provoke clear thinkers on this forum are best left to wallow in their "muddled trains of thought"
Trying to converse with them is not worth the time spent trying to enlighten them

If you have not already determined it, you should note that the three or four people who like to provoke clear thinkers on this forum are best left to wallow in their "muddled trains of thought"
Trying to converse with them is not worth the time spent trying to enlighten them

Herb,
Thanks for the warning. I'm glad you have finally admitted your weakness. [laugh]

If I was to go to store A to buy a product and the sales person slammed the competitor from across the street continually, and gave me very little info on their product. Actually focusing more on slamming store B. I would not want to buy from store A. I would also be concerned with customer relations after the sale.
So I would then go to store B to see their product. If store B was to give me me a good description of their product, and give very little mention of the competitor from store A. I would think that store B was more interested in the product they sell,and the customer I would be inclined to buy from store B.[coffee]