Please don't start a war on this. No need for editorial even. But between the warranty declination issues, body, front end parts, etc etc, how many of you are willing to try something, or even anything, else? On the flip side, how many of you have had such a great experience with your vehicle, that the thought of owning another brand doesn't even enter your head?

DO NOT GET THIS LOCKED UP, JUST VOTE ON IT.

I'm so stupid, I forgot to put the poll on it, LOL. Ok, just put will buy again, or won't

as long as they've got the best diesel engine available, I'll buy again and again :)

How's that?

Sweet, mystery moderator to the rescue. Thanks!

i've owned two of the dodge-cummins, a 99 and a 97 and if and when i get rid of the 97 i wont ever return for another. I've had nothing but problems (Engine and drivetrain) out of both trucks.

Just my .02

I'd definately buy another Dodge as long as it's 2006 or older. I refuse to buy a new one with all the emissions stuff on them. Mostly because I can't leave any truck I own stock. Anything from the 1st gen to 3rd gen as long as it's 5.9 and diesel!

its not the dodge id get again its the cummins!

i've owned two of the dodge-cummins, a 99 and a 97 and if and when i get rid of the 97 i wont ever return for another. I've had nothing but problems (Engine and drivetrain) out of both trucks.

Just my .02

how much you want for the 97? :)

how much you want for the 97? :)

more than anyone would pay for it [coffee]
i still owe on it[duhhh].........pm me if you wish

If I didn't own a Dodge I would have to go buy a Kenworth to pull my trailers!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't be happier with all 4 of the Dodge trucks I have owned in the past.
No question about it the next one will be a Dodge

I'd have to say without a doubt I would. I've been buying Mopars for 33 years and don't see a reason to change, yet.

more than anyone would pay for it [coffee]


lol, I know that feeling! PM on the way

its not the dodge id get again its the cummins!

dido..unless yota comes with a cat[coffee]

Bought a new F150 in 88. Mucho problems. Traded it in in 95 for a new 1500 ram (360 gasser). Great truck! Started learning about the benefits of the Cummins a few years after buying my 95, but could never justify selling my 95 for one.

My son came along 3 years ago so time to sell the 95 reg cab for a quadcab. If I knew in 95 what I learned in 98 or so, I would have bought a 12 valve instead. If it was a club cab, I'd still have it. After doing alot of reading, I decided the benefits of a Cummins outweighed the Hemi for my use.

The 2nd gen rams had a number of problems: Goodyear tires out of round, fuel pumps, track bars among other issues. My 95 had none of those.

If I lost my 05 for some reason, I wouldn't look anywhere else. Just because I don't have a 5th wheel, doesn't mean I'm not a happy camper. [laugh] (I kill me)

from my experience with dodge, ford, chevy & toyota, they all have their issues, and honestly, over the long haul, none is worse then the other.

But I'd buy another dodge over ford/chevy/toyota.

i voted yes, only because neutral was not an option. i really dont know if i would buy another dodge or not. so far i have liked the fit and finish of the truck. however i also have only owned it for a month. unless dodge drops cummins (i doubt that will happen) i may buy another dodge.

At my house we have a 92 diesel (mine), 94 caravan, 96 ram 1500, and they all have over 100,000 miles and have had no trouble what so ever[coffee] You bet I will buy another what ever keeps me away from ford[laugh]

I think the results are going to be biased due to the placement of the poll (pretty slated group), but I'd buy another 12 valve right now if this one got wrecked/stolen.

I went in looking to buy a used diesel truck between $6-15K to run on wvo. After doing (literally) months of research, it had to be a CTD dodge. I wanted a manual but this one was to good of a deal. Between the (considering) great mileage and the sheer ease it towes with, I couldn't be happier.

I think the results are going to be biased due to the placement of the poll (pretty slated group)

I'm sure it will, but I have a theory that I'll post at the end of this poll, if everyone will behave themselves and not get it locked. It's not revolutionary or anything, just something I happened to think of the other day.

I'd always get another Dodge, whether it was gas or diesel. My current Dodge is at least as dependable as my old Ford, and far more than my old Chev. Working on all of them daily, I see problems with all of them, and I think I'm getting off easy.

I have owned Ford, Chevy, and now Dodge. This was my first Dodge and my first Diesel. I haven't had any real trouble with any of the 3. But no doubt I would buy another Cummins powered Dodge again!:cool:

Were it not for the Cummins engine and an entirely non-Chrysler drivetrain, I would have never bought a Dodge in the first place. I would buy another Dodge with a CTD and an entirely, or at least mostly, non-Chrysler drivetrain.

Other than my 1994 Honda Civic DX, this has been the most trouble free vehicle I've owned. Oh, and the engine runs good too.

Were it not for the Cummins engine and an entirely non-Chrysler drivetrain, I would have never bought a Dodge in the first place. I would buy another Dodge with a CTD and an entirely, or at least mostly, non-Chrysler drivetrain.

Thats the truth. I am a Chevy man and when the body falls of my 92 it will have a 76 or so Chevy body like I use to have and it will be the best of all worlds[coffee] . There is nothing on the trucks that is made by dodge thats not junk for the most part[tapdshut] (bet that gets some mopar people bent out of shape). Just remember that about the only thing made by Dodge is the body and electrical[yuk] and what are the two biggest probs with all these trucks? You guessed it.

I had an El Camino and a Ranger. Soon after I became the proud owner of a primer gray 1980 Dodge 4x4 with a 318. It burnt oil like crazy and I darn near ran it dry a few times. It would ping and knock like crazy, but I'd fill it back up with oil and it wouldn't die. My buddy bought a 67 Bellvedere with a slant 6 with the intention of putting a 383 in it soon after. With a couple of othe (T)opar buddies trailing, we drained the radiator, and drove it from Sacramento to Modesto (about 70 miles). It made it home with out being destroyed or even warping the head. He decided to never change the motor. Other than a few problems here and there, I've been happy with all 6 (T)opars I've bought.

Came over from GM for a 2001 CTD. Never really liked the "Dodge" but the motors I knew were proven. That was about 2 years ago. I now have a '98 and a '06 and the '01 (only 'cause it hasen't sold yet). I'm having the same issues as I did with the GM trucks (SERVICE SUCKS)but the trucks themselves are very nice/fun to drive. [guitar]

Hate the Dodge part, love the Cummins/NewVenture/AAM part.

Overall yes, I would but another. Of course, If Ford was still putting in a 7.3 PowerStroke instead of a 6.0 or 6.4, I would get a Ford over the Dodge.

I would buy another Cummins powered Dodge. My 03 had a engine/tranny. The only issues I had were ujoints at ~45k, ac condensor replaced after a few months, and the rattles before 50k I don't think it should have had. My Tundra at 100k had less interior issues, but I love the Cummins. the 94 I just got needs a little work, but it has 223k on it and still runs great.

I would buy what ever truck had the cummins:cool:
so I voted yes[coffee]

this is my second Dodge and first Cummins. My Dad still drives the first Ram. I would buy another one but it would have to be a Cummins. The Charger SRT8 is really starting to look good to me so that may be my "weekend" car soon.

Absolutely another Dodge as long as it was an 06 or older. I have no desire for an emissions ladden truck. I drove GM trucks for 20 years and this truck has been way better than any of them. The Cummins has just been icing on the cake.

I prefer the engineering and construction of the Rams over the other trucks, at least for heavy-duty use.

I voted YES, but I won't................can't afford the payments.:(

I won't own another one. This one is falling down around me. Bout the only thing I haven't replaced on it is the VP knock on wood. Also, the way the dealers treated me when I took the truck in for service when I was younger spoke a lot of what dodge thinks of their future customers. I love my truck and I love my engine but I will never own another dodge product.

I won't own another one. This one is falling down around me. Bout the only thing I haven't replaced on it is the VP knock on wood. Also, the way the dealers treated me when I took the truck in for service when I was younger spoke a lot of what dodge thinks of their future customers. I love my truck and I love my engine but I will never own another dodge product.

Do you really think another brand could do any better with the ragging and wholesale mods you've have put that sucker through? [laugh] Also, I've been to good dealers and bad ones........but, I only went back to the good ones.:)

I won't buy another one because the ones I have now will last the rest of my life.

on #2 myself

I bet tyler took us all off guard didn't he? I would have never guesses that.

I'm a definite yes. They would have to mess up really bad to change my mind now.

I'd buy another cummins, but the Dodge part leaves me on the fence! If I could have a newer Chevy with a cummins I'd be happy.....the interior in dodges have always been 3 steps behind Chevy. Doing a road trip in my brothers Chevy or even my avalanche compared to the dodge is unreal.

Once I finally decided to sell mine, it seemed like every week until it sold something else would break on me. I ended up putting over $1k into my truck just to sell it, and my truck only had 99k miles on it[verymad]

Don't get me wrong I loved my truck.....but for only having 99k on it I was not pleased with the repair bills.


~Nick

I won't own another one. This one is falling down around me. Bout the only thing I haven't replaced on it is the VP knock on wood. Also, the way the dealers treated me when I took the truck in for service when I was younger spoke a lot of what dodge thinks of their future customers. I love my truck and I love my engine but I will never own another dodge product.



Do you really think another brand could do any better with the ragging and wholesale mods you've have put that sucker through? [laugh] Also, I've been to good dealers and bad ones........but, I only went back to the good ones.:)


I agree with Crobtex! BB, would you really expect any other brand to have held up any better?? And you can find good dealer and bad dealers in every brand. Shoot, what may be a "good" dealer may turn into a "bad" one at any time and vice versa......depending on management, employees at the time etc. They mostly all have regular turnover. I am not defending the dealers that treated you bad because of your age, but it is easy to "assume" that a "kid" doesn't know anything or have any money and doesn't warrant the respect of an older person. But, WE, all respect ya...[laugh] ....sorta!:o :cool:

I'd buy another cummins, but the Dodge part leaves me on the fence! If I could have a newer Chevy with a cummins I'd be happy.....the interior in dodges have always been 3 steps behind Chevy. Doing a road trip in my brothers Chevy or even my avalanche compared to the dodge is unreal.

Once I finally decided to sell mine, it seemed like every week until it sold something else would break on me. I ended up putting over $1k into my truck just to sell it, and my truck only had 99k miles on it[verymad]

Don't get me wrong I loved my truck.....but for only having 99k on it I was not pleased with the repair bills.


~Nick

Wow, you mean to tell us that a truck lifted to the moon and rolling on huge mud tires does not ride as nicely as a probably relatively if not completely stock Chevy with IFS? Or that a vehicle with extensive modifications and likely abused subsequently developed problems and became less reliable? [duhhh] [laugh] [dummy]

The Dodge chassis itself isn't exactly much to write home about, not much better or worse than those of GM and Ford in my opinion. Items on each of them wear out and require replacement with use and age. We would have to know the specifics of what went wrong with the particular truck, but on the surface it seems pretty ridiculous to blame any manufacturer for problems that were likely contributed to if not outright caused by aftermarket modification.

In all honesty, the things that have broken wasn't from my adding power. Ball joints (before the lift), tie rod ends (before the lift), wheel bearings (shortly after the lift), lift pumps (first 20k and the next at 21k), AC (35k miles), cruise control (40k miles), door handles (30k miles), u-joints (still need to do those), track bar (I didn't break the first one), cracked dash, broken over head map lights (why do you think I superglued them down), broken rear cup holder (son of a gun has never been used and it's broke). And the difference between the way I got treated and then my dad got treated by the SAME dealer really ticked me off. Nah, this truck is a piece. I've put my parents chevy's through the same abuse and they've held up 10x better and that's with them pulling loads. I can count on one hand the number of problems we've had with chevy's in the past 4 years. I love the motor and I finally love the tranny and I love the styling of the truck but it's falling to pieces around me and I'm getting tired of rebuilding it. I'll be glad when I can finally retire it to weekend duty only.

I love my truck. It runs great and has given me no problems except for vp44 / lift pump stuff. I drove a F550 at work and had nothing but transmission trouble. Some other stuff as well. I think that all brands have strong points and weak points but in my experience my dodge has been the best of them all.

In all honesty, the things that have broken wasn't from my adding power. Ball joints (before the lift), tie rod ends (before the lift), wheel bearings (shortly after the lift), lift pumps (first 20k and the next at 21k), AC (35k miles), cruise control (40k miles), door handles (30k miles), u-joints (still need to do those), track bar (I didn't break the first one), cracked dash, broken over head map lights (why do you think I superglued them down), broken rear cup holder (son of a gun has never been used and it's broke). And the difference between the way I got treated and then my dad got treated by the SAME dealer really ticked me off. Nah, this truck is a piece. I've put my parents chevy's through the same abuse and they've held up 10x better and that's with them pulling loads. I can count on one hand the number of problems we've had with chevy's in the past 4 years. I love the motor and I finally love the tranny and I love the styling of the truck but it's falling to pieces around me and I'm getting tired of rebuilding it. I'll be glad when I can finally retire it to weekend duty only.

Sounds like you either got a real lemon of a truck or are not very forthcoming about how you may have abused it. I agree that the Dodge 4x4 front ends could use some help. I would still rather have it than GM's IFS system, however, particularly with the 315s. The 24v LPs and IPs do not impress me, either.

My previously vehicle was a 1994 GMC K2500 Suburban that I purchased new and put 186,000 miles on in the course of nearly 13 years. I could count the number of problems I had with the truck on one hand, too, if I used it about 6 or 7 times. [laugh] I could hardly keep front brakes or an alternator in the thing. Despite that, I thought that overall it was a decent truck and would likely have still have it had it been a pickup instead of a Suburban.

Electrical components wear out, plastic interior degrade, and stuff breaks regardless of whose emblem is on the grill. I'd rather have a GM gas engine and automatic transmission than Chrysler, however.

This is my first dodge. I mainly wanted the CTD, but new enough to stay away from the vp44, 47re trucks. I havent had any problems that i havent created. in 3 times for CEL, that was caused either by have an edge ez, or quad on there. everything has been fine so far. 28K miles in 3 years and I still love the truck.

I would do it again.

I would have another Cummins! Kinda partial to the 12V's.

Sure I would buy another. Of course my uncle worked for chyrsler for 35ish years and everyone in family owns DC vehicles but I am impressed. And I dont understand why everyone ooogles over GM interiors, I rode in a 05' duramax and the interior in it was just like my dad's 04'. Maybe I am missing something. *shrugs But we are happy with all of our vehicles. My mom puts 25,000 miles/year on her caravans with no major problems up to 100,000 which is where we trade them off.

Oh and I just need a 2nd gen 12v and a now a 6.7l to have a complete set of Dodge/Cummins trucks.

Probably Not! i'm 68, have 63kmiles, drive 12-15k a year,

I will probably be dead before this one wears out!!!!!

I've had several new Ford and Chevy truck, but this is my first Dodge/Cummins. Really, I've had good luck with all of them. The difference...I've never put more than 70K on them until the Dodge.....now at 190K +. The only real problem, besides sensors, is the 10%, or so, drop in fuel mileage that I'm having right now.It runs great, just a little low on power and the mileage is down. The next best one is a '95, Z71 that I passed on to my wife and then my daughter. It now has 130K +, but the AC don't work and the front suspension is shot.

Also, the Dodge part has not been a problem. The front end is in real good shape for the miles, the body is tight, no rattles, no parts falling off and good paint. It has done everything I have asked of it and is waiting for more.

Wow, you mean to tell us that a truck lifted to the moon and rolling on huge mud tires does not ride as nicely as a probably relatively if not completely stock Chevy with IFS? Or that a vehicle with extensive modifications and likely abused subsequently developed problems and became less reliable? [duhhh] [laugh] [dummy]

The Dodge chassis itself isn't exactly much to write home about, not much better or worse than those of GM and Ford in my opinion. Items on each of them wear out and require replacement with use and age. We would have to know the specifics of what went wrong with the particular truck, but on the surface it seems pretty ridiculous to blame any manufacturer for problems that were likely contributed to if not outright caused by aftermarket modification.

WOW you sure like to read stuff into things......What I meant by the road trip is the SEATS and comfy the interior is...I could give a flyin poop about how the suspension rides!! If you would have read my post I was talking about the interior and not the suspension :rolleyes:

Also for your info Mr. Scramblinman, everything that I had to fix to sell it.......had NOTHING to do with ANY aftermarket parts I put on it! I can understand the general wear and tear, but a few of the parts that I had to replace I had already replaced and they went out AGAIN all having to do with electrical problems, and a few interior defects!

Oh and one other thing......I can guarantee my truck was probably the most babied out of anybody's truck on this website.......so abuse was not an issue to any of this!! [dummy] Some how I don't consider driving 2mph down a dirt road and picking the rocks out of my tires abuse......maybe you do? Soooo maybe before you start pointing fingers and blaming, maybe you should ask what I had to fix....just a thought![duhhh]


~Nick

Sorry, I'm having a bad day and your post just crawled under my skin.



~Nick

I'll be honest, I've been rough on this truck. But I guarantee that I'm no rougher on it than the average joe is. I was brought up to treat things nicely so they will last a long time which I do but I also believe in pushing the boundaries. That's why I didn't mention the steering box I broke along with the 2nd track bar or the center pins in the rear leaf springs. Those were my fault. But the rest of it isnt. Oh yeah, the seats in this truck suck but they aren't a huge complain of mine.

Doesn't matter what brand. You play, you pay!!! CYA...

I'll be honest, I've been rough on this truck. But I guarantee that I'm no rougher on it than the average joe is. I was brought up to treat things nicely so they will last a long time which I do but I also believe in pushing the boundaries. That's why I didn't mention the steering box I broke along with the 2nd track bar or the center pins in the rear leaf springs. Those were my fault. But the rest of it isnt. Oh yeah, the seats in this truck suck but they aren't a huge complain of mine.

I think we have a few of them Oxy what-cha-ma-call-it's here. [laugh]

Just kidding Tyler. :) I didn't realize you were having so many problems not associated the the AM stuff.

Tyler might've gotten a lemon, or maybe he's just got bad karma...

I've replaced a few things ([laugh] ) on my '98, but I'm pleased with how well it's held up after a quarter of a million hard miles!

i voted yes but will have to agree with infidel. probably wont dont think i can wear out the 2 i have.

In all honesty, the things that have broken wasn't from my adding power. Ball joints (before the lift), tie rod ends (before the lift), wheel bearings (shortly after the lift), lift pumps (first 20k and the next at 21k), AC (35k miles), cruise control (40k miles), door handles (30k miles), u-joints (still need to do those), track bar (I didn't break the first one), cracked dash, broken over head map lights (why do you think I superglued them down), broken rear cup holder (son of a gun has never been used and it's broke). And the difference between the way I got treated and then my dad got treated by the SAME dealer really ticked me off. Nah, this truck is a piece. I've put my parents chevy's through the same abuse and they've held up 10x better and that's with them pulling loads. I can count on one hand the number of problems we've had with chevy's in the past 4 years. I love the motor and I finally love the tranny and I love the styling of the truck but it's falling to pieces around me and I'm getting tired of rebuilding it. I'll be glad when I can finally retire it to weekend duty only.

If it's that bad get rid of it and buy a Chevy that you think is so great.

I think Dodge has the best combo out there for powerplants!! If I were to buy another truck it would be another 03-05, I am not too keen on the 06-07 Just my $.02

i will buy another until toyota has a solid front axle and a cat diesel in it. Until then i am stuck with a cummins stuck in a dodge. I love the truck but absolutely hate all dodge dealers in my area. We have 6 dealers and they are the worst scheisters anywhere. They do not stand behind their products or the people buying them. they make you call dc and beg for consideration when in for warranty work. And worst of all they just do not know how to work on these trucks. Can't wait for the 4500 & 5500 to come out. None of these dealers are going to be able to satisfy business owners. No free rentals nothing. they will give them a neon to haul products around for a month while they pull their heads outa their arses.

wow i cant belive people would say no, o well i guess the tables could turn anyday, as far as i go, always dodge always diesel! but w/ no lie i still like the duramaxes and powerstrokes!

Other then the rough ride, bad steering unit, low quality ball joints, bad track bar, VP44, LP, and weak tranny, its a great truck. I suppose if the front end is better on the newer ones I may consider. Otherwise never again. A person should not have to be a mechanic doing repairs on a 34k truck under 150k. How such a tough engine could be wrapped with something so prone to repairs is very ironic.

I'd Rather walk than drive anything else.. But I won't own an 07 emission crap filled one..

Shane

If it's that bad get rid of it and buy a Chevy that you think is so great.

If I could afford one I would. I've been around chevy's all of my life and since 1985 we've owned 3 suburbans, 3 pick ups (2 diesels), and a corvette. All of them combined haven't been in the shop as much as mine and all have been taken well over 100k miles except the vette, it's only at 52k and the current dmax is at 80k some odd. My truck has been a good truck but considering the age of it it should have held up better than it has. I'm sorry I don't go with the mainstream crowd and say I would but this is just the way I feel.

I am 67 yrs old. When I was a kid, I ran Pontiacs.Later I had Fords,VW's,Dodges,Toyotas,Jeeps,Audis,Subarus,Inte rnationals-you name it.I've owned Ford, Dodge,Jeep, International trucks.I haven't owned a Chevy but have worked on lots of buddies Chevies.I have never really had a lemon so I'm not soured on any brand.I have found, no matter what I had, if I took decent care of it, it gave me good service.I think the older Fords and Chevy trucks were nice looking and the Dodge was ugly.For me, that all changed in '94 when Dodge came out with the present design.I think it's the most attractive truck out there and mechanically it's no worse than any of the others.Shocks,brakes,tires,belts,hoses,electronics eventually wear out, but the way a vehicle is used can certainly speed up that wear.So as long as Dodge makes a decent looking truck, I will continue to own one.

If I had used my truck for work, or drove it every single day, or abused the everliving snot out of it I would probably have looked at some of the repairs different. But the fact that I drove my truck maybe 8 to 9K miles per year and never drove it in the snow or rain.....having to constantly fix stuff on it got old real quick. As far as the motor goes I LOVED IT and never had one single complaint about the Cummins.

Maybe me and Tyler just got lemons, but having a truck that is only 6 years old with less than 100K miles....I'd expect it to hold together a little better. Maybe our expectations are a little to high Tyler....................


~Nick

Either they are a little to high or maybe we are just realists but I fully expect a vehicle that has been taken care of to easily last over 100k miles without all this little piddly stuff going wrong. I can say that huge major things haven't happened and for that I'm happy but all of this little nickel and dime stuff is down right irritating.

I'll never go back to gas. This is my first experience with diesel and Dodge. I love them both.

Either they are a little to high or maybe we are just realists but I fully expect a vehicle that has been taken care of to easily last over 100k miles without all this little piddly stuff going wrong. I can say that huge major things haven't happened and for that I'm happy but all of this little nickel and dime stuff is down right irritating.


EXACTLY!! It's pretty bad when you drive to town and go to roll up your window and..........it won't roll up! Talk about imbarrassing having to turn around and drive back home because I can't roll up my window to leave it in a parking lot. That happened to me twice[verymad]

Or I was driving home one night and my dash lights just up and quit working. On top of that I got pulled over for going to fast because I couldn't read my speedo.....got a defective equipment ticket because of it.

It's just stuff like that that irritated the snot out of me.......


~Nick

I wouldn't buy a NEW Dodge or any from a dealer after seeing how bad there customer service is. They don't know anything about the vehicles, and they couldn't even read a part scematic to get a part on a transfercase, it's like they weren't even trying to help and I was buying somthing. They don't have a transmission tech either and it's a big dealer... I wouldn't want to deal with that on a new truck. But back on topic,

I would buy another 12v cummins in a heartbeat, theres nothing like it. great milage, power, reliabilty, not to mention the sound...

Like the Cummins...lot of fun...but this will be my one and only diesel.
IF I buy another pick up...it will be the new Tundra 5.7...an awesome truck...if you don't absolutey need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

You see the second truck in my signature? There's a reason. I have had nothing but problems with the piece of junk wrapped around my cummins engine. The dana axle that dodge decided needed a pile of CAD, the track bar, the 47re trans, the front bumper on these things isn't as strong as the fender on my 78 chevy. If I can't sell this pile soon, I am thinking about just putting the cummins in the chevy with a manual behind it.

I will NEVER buy daily driver vechicle thats not American.
I can tell you that, thats why all of the big 3 are sucking it up,
Americans buying foreign vechicles.

And why would anyone think of getting a PSD or a DMX?
You guys are getting a little soft around the edges,
Any truck you drive, is going to have problems.
That is always true.

Heck ya![guitar]

(Now I double-dare you to go post the poll "Will you ever buy another Ford?" over at the Diesel Stop)[roll]

I would buy another. I'm waiting to see what happens in say.. 2010... with the new small Cummins motors.

So much talk about poor customer support. If you read Chevy & Ford forums, you will see the same complaint. The biggest issue is finding a good dealer because that is where it starts. You are not going to escape this problem by switching brands.

I chose Dodge because I like the Cummins, and I had other Dodge trucks that treated me well. I also owned several Chevys that had no real problems. I think you should find a good dealer and buy what you like - Chevy, Ford, or Dodge.No matter what you but, don't buy the first year for a new model, and pay attention to the build date. It really does matter when your truck was assembled.

I don't think I have gone soft, I got the chevy because my wife is scared to drive the dodge with all of the things that mess up on it. with the chevy, all you do is turn the dsp2 switch, and you have either the 500 hp tune or the 310 hp tune. Being in the Navy, I want to spend as much time with my wife as possible, and as little time working on my truck as necessary. I don't have a house, since the navy decided to stick me in a place where a gazillion people are crammed into 200 square miles, and a one bedroom condominium without a garage is 250,000 dollars. It would be a little different story if I didn't have to drive the truck to the base to work on it, and then drive it home, and work around the base shop's hours, and dumb rules, but I do. As you can see, I am a little bitter about being taken out of the country, and put in a big city. I can deal with the deployments, and stupid underways where you are pretty much cut off from the world, but having to spend half the time where the Navy actually lets me go home working on a truck that has it's suspension or axle, or wheel bearings, or ABS, or steering, or front bumper fall apart every chance it gets, is not my idea of a good time. I like working on my truck, I just don't like having to work on it.

I will NEVER buy daily driver vechicle thats not American.
I can tell you that, thats why all of the big 3 are sucking it up,
Americans buying foreign vechicles.


So my Ram that was built in Saltillo, Mexico is more "American" than my wife's Nissan that was built in Smyrna, Georgia? Why?

Oh, customer support let's go there, chevy- I have mods on my chevy, it obviously has a lot more power than it ever should have. the injectors went out. I went it, said my injectors are bad. I read it with my EfiLive. I have fuel in my crankcase and high balance rates. They said well, injectors have been known to be a problem on the lb7s. We have an extended warranty to 200000 miles and 7 years on them. we know you have a modified truck, but that isn't why the injectors went bad. it is because we put a 10 micron fuel filter on the engine from the factory, and that wasn't adequate. now we have this 2 micron dual element fuel filter that we are going to put on there, and we will change your injectors. sorry about the inconvenience. here is a chevy cobalt to drive around for the week that we have your truck.

Same scenario at a dodge dealer- you have gages because you tow with your cummins, well, you probably have it modified too. lets see if there are any F/Fs when we scan your truck. oh yeah, high boost right here. you modified your engine. even though it is a well documented problem with CR engines, you modified it, so we can't help you. give us $100 for the shop time to scan your truck and have a good time trying to get your turn signal replaced under warranty.

So my Ram that was built in Saltillo, Mexico is more "American" than my wife's Nissan that was built in Smyrna, Georgia? Why?

What kinda nissan. If its a truck it was built in Symrna Tn.

Either they are a little to high or maybe we are just realists but I fully expect a vehicle that has been taken care of to easily last over 100k miles without all this little piddly stuff going wrong. I can say that huge major things haven't happened and for that I'm happy but all of this little nickel and dime stuff is down right irritating.

So go buy a comparable year Chevy, modify it and abuse it similarly, and come back and tell us all about how it never has any problems. Were I as bitter about any vehicle as GotLift and yourself appear to be, I would simply get rid of it, cut my loses, and not look back. I don't bother going back to forums for vehicles I no longer own, either. What's the point? Move on with life.

I'll tell you what, as you get out there and get a little more experience with other brands, you are going to find that all of the domestic brands have had and will likely continue to have lots of nickel and dime stuff going wrong with them by the 100k mile mark. Replacing alternators, power window motors, various switches, water pumps, fuel pumps, transmission shift solenoids, various sensors and senders, 4WD actuators, fixing vacuum leaks, plastic interior pieces deteriorating, etc, etc, etc on GM vehicles is nothing new to me. I guess GM must just be total crap. Or maybe I am just a realist and understand that a lot of that stuff just goes wrong regardless of who's badge in on the grill. If you think that a GM or Ford truck is going to be much if any less troubled than a Dodge of similar vintage, you are in for some big disappointments.

Go buy a Toyota product and don't do anything to it if you want reliability.

What kinda nissan. If its a truck it was built in Symrna Tn.

It's a Maxima. And after a little more research, it is built in Tenneseee and not Georgia. Thanks for pointing that out.

After a long slew of GM cars, we decided to try something different for a change. (And the VQ35 is an awesome engine! [guitar] I wish a domestic company could make a V6 like that.)

Ive been to the Tower Automitive Plant where they build the frames for the nissan trucks and it is behind the nissan plant. The nissan plant is one of the largest plants I have seen. The only one I've seen that is larger is the Chrysler plant in Toledo where they build the Jeeps.

Were I as bitter about any vehicle as GotLift and yourself appear to be, I would simply get rid of it, cut my loses, and not look back. I don't bother going back to forums for vehicles I no longer own, either. What's the point? Move on with life.

Because we have friends on here and still enjoy talking about diesels. I never once said I hate the Cummins or was bitter about the Cummins......I flippin loved the motor and enjoy talking about them. I just wasn't pleased with some parts of the truck around the motor......stuff happens and I did cut my loses and I have moved on, doesn't mean I need to quit coming on here and talking about an engine that I happen to love!

I actually really liked my truck, it was an awesome looking truck, fun to drive, and had gobs of power. It just had a lot of small issues that always seemed to pop up everytime I'd take it for a drive. And for having a newer truck I hardly ever drove and always having to work on constantly wasn't something I needed nor wanted to continue making payments on. Maybe my truck was one that got built on the Friday before Christmas[laugh] WHO KNOWS?


~Nick

The real question on this thread should be, would u trade for another brand truck of the same year? Then the wear and tear wouldn't be an issue, because I know for a fact, 10+ year old Ford's and Chevy's will have the same wear but without the cummins.

And to prove my point further, my cruise control just went out on me. Again. Second time since I've owned it. It worked last night on the way home, get in the truck today and it won't even turn on. Apparently the speed switch was to high for to long according to the code it threw. Now I get to figure out if it's the left or right side speed switch because there's a difference between the two.

Oh, customer support let's go there, chevy- I have mods on my chevy, it obviously has a lot more power than it ever should have. the injectors went out. I went it, said my injectors are bad. I read it with my EfiLive. I have fuel in my crankcase and high balance rates. They said well, injectors have been known to be a problem on the lb7s. We have an extended warranty to 200000 miles and 7 years on them. we know you have a modified truck, but that isn't why the injectors went bad. it is because we put a 10 micron fuel filter on the engine from the factory, and that wasn't adequate. now we have this 2 micron dual element fuel filter that we are going to put on there, and we will change your injectors. sorry about the inconvenience. here is a chevy cobalt to drive around for the week that we have your truck.

Same scenario at a dodge dealer- you have gages because you tow with your cummins, well, you probably have it modified too. lets see if there are any F/Fs when we scan your truck. oh yeah, high boost right here. you modified your engine. even though it is a well documented problem with CR engines, you modified it, so we can't help you. give us $100 for the shop time to scan your truck and have a good time trying to get your turn signal replaced under warranty.



You are very lucky----I will NEVER EVER EVER own a chevy after the problems that I had with multiple trucks and the dealer issues that went with them!!!! My Dodge dealer has been good, NOT great but good.

And to prove my point further, my cruise control just went out on me. Again. Second time since I've owned it. It worked last night on the way home, get in the truck today and it won't even turn on. Apparently the speed switch was to high for to long according to the code it threw. Now I get to figure out if it's the left or right side speed switch because there's a difference between the two.

You'd better hurry up and sell it. I'm sure that a Chevy can have it's stock power nearly doubled and be drag raced without affecting reliability. [laugh]

And to prove my point further, my cruise control just went out on me. Again. Second time since I've owned it. It worked last night on the way home, get in the truck today and it won't even turn on. Apparently the speed switch was to high for to long according to the code it threw. Now I get to figure out if it's the left or right side speed switch because there's a difference between the two.

Mine never worked the whole time I owned my truck[laugh] I got it to work for 3 days and then it quit and I never get it to work again after numerous attempts to fix it. Kinda gave up after so long.


~Nick

As soon as my truck is paid off in about a year that will be the last truck I by for a long time. Next thing I get is going to be a Cadillac. Something that I can drive with ease and no worry's. Then I will have my truck to do the dirty work.

Mine never worked the whole time I owned my truck[laugh] I got it to work for 3 days and then it quit and I never get it to work again after numerous attempts to fix it. Kinda gave up after so long.


~Nick

Don't tell me that. I just found out that I've gotta remove the airbag in order to fix the blasted switches. [verymad]

I voted YES, but I won't................can't afford the payments.:(

I voted NO, but I never say never.[guitar] (Well, ok, I don't say never very often! [duhhh] ) But I doubt that I would ever buy a new one. Just as I will probably never buy any new truck again. The prices are just too out of control.

Now my air bag light is on. Woo hoo. Bye bye clock spring. Oh lucky me.

Another vote for the Cummins. Maybe next time I'll swap a 12v into a new body style Ford. Joke, I really like the way Rams look too.

Cummins yes....Dodge...I'm not too sure about.

No matter what you buy, don't buy the first year for a new model...

Maybe an exception to the rule, but the '03s have been holding their own. Based on the number of TSBs an the feedback I've noticed on this website they are just as reliable as the years following.

I'm on the fence. I really want to keep my 97 for a while. So I decided to buy a beater car and use the truck for weekends only fun instead of putting 30K a year on it. But I went to the dealer for NV4500 input shaft bearings today. (I figured since I have the tranny out for a South Bend install and the trucks got 190K on it, what's a couple bearings) Those new trucks sure are nice. With this dealer's prices, the new trucks are a better value than my plan of buying a new commuter car and using my 97 for playtime only. I'm not taking the risk of a Powerstroke. Chevys are overpriced. Toyota doesn't offer a diesel and won't tote my slide in. Dodge has the best package for me right now.

Now I just need to do something about those funds.....or keep my 97 around. I have a feeling the 12Vs are going to be collector classics someday, if they aren't already. Hard to keep it pristine, though.

if there were an imbitween id have picked it after having tranny issues often, injection pump issues, front end issues, and bad body rust.... but ive grown awfully atached to the cummins and would never settle for a v-8 diesel nor a car/city truck. hard to say though my ole ford went 190,000 with only a rear end replacement before i sold it.........sometimes i think id a had better luck keeping that oh well maybe ford will have a cummins some day

been 15 years with chevy 15 years with ford; all work trucks, heavy duty.

dealer didn't have what i wanted so asked me to check out a 1996 Dodge gas 2 wd sitting on lot with 30 miles on it. 155,000 problem free miles later, my husband told me to sel it due to high mileage. still got 3500 for it in 2005.

we bought a 02 4wd diesel and loved what it could do, but it was waay loud for where we live. went to a one ton 04 short 4wd and it still sets you back in the seat or pulls multiple tough loads in wet, hilly, steep locations.

hauling or stopping with a six ton boat plus two tons for trailer and load
is effortless. we look GOOD driving by!!! want a sleeper cab now...LOL

scared to read about a lot of problems with dealers and later model trucks.
but I would buy that over ford or others....

In short, yes. In long - I used to be pretty die hard chevy, my first truck a 95 z71 that was a great truck. It had it's normal problems to be expected. I got my first diesel in 04, a 99 7.3. It was a great truck as well and was pretty much trouble free. I heard all the talk about the Dodges falling apart, yada yada yada. Well I figured the 3rd gens would be much improved, and so far my 3rd gen is on par with the quality that my Ford was. I would buy another one for sure, but all the talk of the older trucks falling apart scares me. For now i'm happy with my 03. It has great power (modded obviously) and gets awesome mpg's. I've been experimenting with driving like a granny (don't laugh) and so far my overhead is reading 25.6 mpg. over the course of 3 days and 1/4 tank of use. Overhead is usually over by a mile or two, but even if it's over by 3 or 4 it's still about 30% better than what I ever got in my 7.3 when I granny'd it.

Been through a 90 Chevy one-ton gasser, a 93 Ford Club Cab with teh non-turbo 6.1 diesel, and two Dodge gasers with the 360 V-8 before I bought the Dodge with teh Cummins. Comparing what the others woudl do to this one, I'd never go back to a gasser for pulling the trailers, adn I'll never own another Ford truck. They are nice in the comfort area, but I had more problems with that truck than any other vehicle I've ever owned!

I'll stick with the Cummins, and the 12V until it falls apart and cant be fixed...

Don't tell me that. I just found out that I've gotta remove the airbag in order to fix the blasted switches. [verymad]

Did you fix the cruise? Mine is bad and I think it is in the slip ring. Going to take it apart this weekend to find out.

I won't ever buy a new one but i'd buy another dodge....I like the way the first gens looks....

I often have lectures and workshops to attend and i pull up with pride in my 93 dually....the women looks at me when i climb out of my truck in dress and heels and shakes their heads...the men look at me climbing out of my truck and smile and nod.....[laugh]

I would by another one...especially with the price difference between mine and the Ford and GMC I looked at also. Plus It's been trouble free so far.

the Cummins and the NV5600 are in a class all by them selves. My '03 door wind noise is so noisey I wear a ear plug in my left ear after a hour drive at legal 75 mph my ears roar [yeah the windows are closed]. To much road noise in the truck. The 11.5 AAM axle has whined for 60k+ miles and my dealer wants to fix it but STAR says no. The whine is at 60 mph and only when the axle is in float condition. Pulling or slowing down it makes no noise. I live in a rural hilly area and the headlights are down right dangerous [not enough verticle light] as the on comming hill is black.
My last truck was a '01 2500 Dodge/Cummins. The truck was much quieter than my'03 [wind/road noise] but that dang '01 Cummins was way to noisey. However the '03 is getting almost as noisey as I can't make a drive through window anymore without being asked to shut it off. My present truck is number 15 [I think] 2500/3500 trucks and Drove GMs for 45+ years. If I bought another new truck it will be a GMC truck.
If I was going to longhaul/hotshot it would be with this truck.
JIM

Did you fix the cruise? Mine is bad and I think it is in the slip ring. Going to take it apart this weekend to find out.

Yup. Turned out it was the clock spring. Easy fix. Took all of 20 minutes going slow.

I voted yes, since my truck has been very reliable. But, I'm not sure if I would spend the extra money for a diesel if I was going to buy new, today.
If I towed heavy and often then no doubt diesel, but I don't, I just use it as a pickup. It would be a tough call, but I like diesels, and ordering a new 6.7 just the way I want it would be very nice. Time will tell[duhhh]

I've owned a 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 bought it new $25,000, it had 86,000 miles when I had to sell it out right. Pile of rolling junk, tranny was replaced, never pulled with it, no power, bad on gas, dash cracked, transmission never felt right when shifting in winter. Then after I sold that money pit I bought my brothers 2001 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4 5sp dually with 92,000 miles on it he owned it sense it was new never pulled but a boat with it, front end seals leaking, steering box and front end junk, dash cracked on it also 3 weeks ago in the middle of winter. NEVER WILL OWN ANOTHER DODGE AGAIN. My family has been Dodge sense the 80's I think they need to go back to the old style it was built Ram Tough

That's odd, I have an 03 with none of the issues that you described.

I have a 1972 Dodge Charger, still holding up well, Just bought a new Grand Caravan, engine is not as refined as the foreign models, but the vehicle is better (IMHO), had a 2004 Hemi Durango, not one problem in 55,000 miles and ran great, no problems with the current truck. Had a 2003 Dakota, had a few problems with it, original dealer was the WORST I have ever dealt with, sold the truck because of it. With the durango, we got the BEST dealer I have ever dealth with. Hit or miss with the dealers, I don't care what brand of vehicle you choose, foreign or domestic. But the vehicle you want because it is what you want. Would I buy another Dodge? Absolutely!

I'm on my 2nd Ram one a gasser and the one I just bought is diesel. The next truck( if I need another) will be a dodge. I've only been to one dealership for service that treated me like they wanted me to come back and that was Lithia in Missoula. I'll buy my next dodge there if the time comes for one.

I wouldn't buy anything else. Even if ford or gm got the Cummins. I'd buy a HEMI Ram.

1st Dodge, but definitely would do it again.

The only truck Ill buy is Dodge; diesel or not. Nothin else would do for me...and Im, well, a die-hard Dodge/Cummins fan those other diesels aint got edited by admin.

Dude - the admins are gonna ding ya for that word... might want to edit it before they do! ;)

Hopefully nothing happens to change my mind, but with 60K on my 04.5, I couldn't be happier. It has never needed to go back to the dealer, and with the level of mods done, it flat out impresses me. This very vehicle will be my first choice for me to hop in and drive to Alaska and back, hauls a load like nothing else I have ever had, and the only thing I think is kinda chinchy is the feel of the front cupholder. You bet I would buy another, but I don't see this one wearing out anytime soon.

My Dodge has treated me well for the most part. I knew before I bought it new that buying a 2nd gen Dodge means dealing with VP44s, lift pumps, track bars, and a whole host of annoying problems.

My truck lost a VP at 40K and it was covered under warranty. The ECM died at 50K, and that too was covered.

The other repair was a back-sup switch on the trans for the backing lights.

Not too bad for out-of-pocket wise in 50K miles, but someday I'll have to eat a VP or an ECM, and I guarantee you it will sting.



Of course I'd consider other trucks. I'd look at a Tacoma or a Tundra (with TRD pkg), a Frontier or a Ridgeline even. I like the Titan, but they are unreliable and Nissan has some work to do.

If I wanted another diesel (not likely now that all the emissions stuff is insane) I'd consider a GM as well. Maybe even before a Dodge. GMs seem to have better quality on the parts you see every day-- the seats, radio, steering wheel, etc. Interior comfort on a GM is far superior to Ford or Dodge IMO.

I suspect that if I had an auto trans on my CTD I wouldn't nearly be as much in love with it. As it is now, I love (and miss) my truck. Four more months and it's all mine again! Oh, and it will soon be paid for which REALLY makes it mine!

Yes, diesel fuel is crazy expensive now, but the $500 payment money buys more than a month of fuel for me.

If I got rid of my truck, I'd be as likely to get a Honda Fit or a Lancer Evolution or something like that.

I love my truck, but I also just love cars-- especially good ones.


The thing I love most about my Dodge is the feeling of having the strongest, toughest, most indestructible truck on the road-- like I could take on an 18wheeler and win. Yes, that's not true-- but the FEELING sure is nice:D

We picked up a 2007 5.9 for the wife yesterday. The answer is yes, I would buy another Dodge/Cummins truck. My 2005 has been absolutely trouble free and one of the best trucks I have ever owned. Ed B

I'd buy dodge again!

My current one is number 4 and I would not go anywhere else. Maybe if they (others) had a real diesel engine but that's not likely to happen. Including my son's there have been five in the family and I still see my 92 and his 94 almost every day at work still going strong.

Bobbywebb, Dude you need to change your signature then

"2001 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4 5sp
105,000 Trouble Free Miles"

not a flame or anything just saying.

I just figured I would add my .02 even though I think my dodge has been not running more that it has sense I got it which is mainly my fault not wanting to shell out for a ppump I would get another dodge its way cooler than my buddies chebbies and ferds.

94 reg cab

96 reg cab

02 quadcab

06 quadcab

I think the question is will I ever be able to stop buying Dodge trucks?

I love the engine the rest of the truck is junk.no

My only gripe!! Is the dabbed death wobble!! OOh that pizzes me off!!! Other than that I wouldn't own anything else..

Shane

yes I would buy another one! and especially a 12 valve!...the alternative with the other brands is much more expensive to fix

dido..unless yota comes with a cat[coffee]

Cat schmat ..... Cummins any day .... a TOYotie never. :cool:

The old lady yes, the dog maybe, the Cummins never!

i have owned a pretty fare share of vehicles since i was a kid and its hit or miss with vehicles seems like. sometimes you get one you can beat the heck out of and nothing ever happens, sometimes you get one you pamper and treat with kid gloves and its nothing but problems. ford, dodge, chevy, or gmc. just my .02

guess to answer your question i guess i would buy another one......if i ever buy a new truck again, hopefully not

I have owned a few dodges many gas and two cummins as far as trucks go I still own two chevs a 88 1/2 ton 4x4 and 94 suburban 2500 14 bolt full floater hydro boost brakes pulls 10k no prob anyone wanna buy them.My first gen dodge love the dana 60 fr 70 rear.and my 2nd gen dodge plenty of power and comfortable.and I am looking at a 3rd gen CRD now.from now on only cummins dodges.with 6 kids I kinda needed the suburban. but now one is 16 and I have a caravan. so she can drive em

I bought my dually a year ago today. And as it stand I wont buy anything but a cummins from now on out.

Like the engine, to bad the rest of the truck failed to live up to my expectations. I don't like Fords but my company truck is a SuperDuty Powerstroke and it has been twice the truck my Dodge has been. Doesn't pull as good but it won't break.

I wanted a truck with the Cummins since I got out of the military back in 1992. I would watch them go by, listen to them at stop lights and just think, "one of these days I'll own a Dodge with the Cummins". I bounced jobs for a bit chasing more money and finally got into something(for myself after work) that gave me my chance. That was in 2006, 14 years after I made my wish list. I have had the notorious VP44 death code, dimwit technician bending the timing cover, put new tires on cause it had D rates when I bought it. I also put brake pads on the same week I bought it, cause the dealer was cheap.

I'm sure in the future I'll be dealing with the death wobble, which I'll fix when it starts. I'm also sure that a/c problems, check engine lights will occur, hopefully not but we keep our vehicles for a long time, our explorer, 195,000 miles, sets a check engine light everytime you start, needs a gem module. Not hurting anything with the check engine light on, keep on driving. Our saturn, odometer stopped(broke) at 225,000 about 4 months ago, check engine light comes on, egr code, runs and drives great, still gets good gas mileage, fix the egr problem?? Why? I put one alternator on that car and Advance Auto has bought the other 2 with their lifetime warranty.

So after 14 years of waiting to finally get my truck and to drive it on the weekends with the windows down and to listen to the bellow of the exhaust, tow what I want. Maybe it's not the greatest piece of work put together by mankind, but show me a vehicle of any brand that is.....affordable by the masses, we're not talking hand made in italy stuff. I am happy with my Dodge, if I am lucky we may get my wife one....or a late 90's Ford supercrew with Cummins conversion. Will I own another one besides this, well if I had a bunch of money layin around with nothing to do, yes. Since I don't and probably never will, this red beauty outside will be around for a long time and I'll fix whatever happens and still be happy that I finally have my truck, my Cummins powered Dodge!!

Besides, who designs and builds this stuff?? Humans, are we flawless?? No, things are gonna happen, assembly line workers, engineers like to go out drinking after work and have bad days just like all of us. If you want the perfect vehicle, I think you may have to see your local preacher about submitting an order to the man upstairs......good luck with that though!! [laugh] [laugh]

if i am buying a rig just to drive around in maybe i would buy new. but i like one i can work on and non of the big three build that. its oldies for me dodge and chev. all diesel.

Can I vote 8 times? I'm on #8 Dodge diesel, and thinking about selling this one and getting another. 5 of those were new. I've had one ferd diesel not that I like to admit it, that was before my Dodge's. The Dodge's have all been good. In my experience most problems people have are caused by themselves of someone else driveing their truck. I've hauled loads of hay up to 42,000lbs and averaged 34,000lbs 300mi one way 3 loads a week for 3 months, 3 years I did that and no problems, outside of normal wear. In and out of barnyards over rough terain, having to be pushed out of fields with tractors, slideing backwards down driveways loaded. Now I didn't say I didn't loose 5th gear on all my 2nd gens but that's normal. When I double nuted 5th gear and welded the nuts together I never had a problem after that. Yes some of those trucks were modified. 300+ hp pulling the Branson Missoui hills on hwy 65 going over the top at 45mph scaleing 34,000lbs on average. Can't say I didn't work them hard. Had lots of people driving ferd's change to Dodge after they saw what I was doing, and a few chebys but the 6.5s didn't have a chance anyway. Even had a uncle who swore by his v10 Dodge change his mind after a ride in my loaded Dodge. He's still driving a Dodge diesel.

I've owned Furds and chebys and both gave me nothing but problems. Not to mention that the Mopar community is one of a SPECIAL breed and it seems like everyone gets along and is willing to help a fellow mopar owner out. Most people I now that own Furds or Chebys are to worried about hidding the secrets or tricks, they don't want to try to help you get more power and or enjoyment out of your car or truck. MOPAR OR NO CAR for me:cool:

I'd buy another Dodge w/ Cummins in a heartbeat. I've "worked" both Chevy and Ford on the 500 miles of Alaska's "Haul Road". By far my Dodge has more stock power than a sane man should have on the skinny pedal. Alyeska, the operator of the Trans-Alaska pipeline is switching to Dodge's for all the expeditor's. Trust me those boys put some miles on a rig. 250-300 miles a day, 365 days a year.

stickin with the cummins, and looking on puttin one in my k5

When I was looking at getting a truck it ended up a no brainer for me. One hears about million mile Dodge diesels, 500k isn't uncommon, and I don't hear about Fords or GM diesels doing the same.

depends what i want the truck for...if i wanta daily comfy grocery getter driver...i might get a gmc/chev...everywhere u see one it doesnt have a scratch on it..never even had a bicycle in the back [laugh] ..my gen (2nd gen cummins) is just too "tractor-like" for a daily driver...i havent been in a new quiet one yet...if i want a performance diesel i'll get another dodge...ford doesnt fall in anywhere for me...i really only like the king ranch interior...i don't care much for the rest of the truck...overpriced with poor engineering

Yes....................But I didnt. Last week a traded for a 2003 GMC 2500HD Duramax / Allison. It rides 3x as good as my 2002 24valve, runs alot better with just a 90hp tune, I got 18.3mpg with 50% highway and 50% City (Hand Calculated) in my first tank.

And on a side note, I was smoked multiple times in my 24v with 100hp injectors and a edge comp by Dmaxs and Fords. The first day I had my truck a guy in a 6.0 with the juice w/ att. wanted to race and I had him by a truck length at 80mph.

I will be upgrading to a 200hp tune, put in a transgo shift kit and a converter and run low 14's in the 1/4. I will have alot less in upgrades in this truck for a better running truck.

I love the cummins but I just went from manual transmission, locks, windows,
and no cruise to just the opposite in the chevy.

So I'm still hangin out over here but some of the guys over at the dieselplace.com sound really cocky and wont give props to the cummins.

Jamie

So I'm still hangin out over here but some of the guys over at the dieselplace.com sound really cocky and wont give props to the cummins.

Jamie

Well we'll enjoy you staying. It's the same on every engine-specific forum it seems. They're all like that. Problem is they THINK they have the best, whereas we KNOW!! [laugh]

i will buy whatever fits my price range and needs i recently bought an o1 ho 6speed 3500 quad cab and love it so far except for the throttle position sensor crapping out after 1 week of getting it but hey could happen with buying a used pickup. i bought a cummins cuz i can order parts right from cummins for cheaper through work.

I came to my '03 after driving a 1990 F350 Crew SRW for over 100K. We got that truck used so I don't know what all happened to it, but we drove quite a few Diesel Furds and that one was the best of the lot. It didn't do anything TERRIBLE while I had it, but LOTS of stuff was coming due including IP.

I got the '03 with 24,799 on it. Again I don't know how it was treated, but I'm at 121,3xx with ZERO trouble or complaint. Well I take that back. The "lamp out" flash and ding was driving me nuts but that got fixed when the truck was in the shop for driver error repair (Dad).

Anyway, I need tires pretty bad. But the front end is still tight, tranny works great, interior has zero issues.

I must have gotten one made on whatever the best day of the week is!

And OH BABY do I like the Cummins!

I'll buy another one when this one wears out IF they will still let me drive! [laugh]

I had a Chevy 454 3/4ton 4x4 for a first truck, a chv. 6.5 for the second, a99 f-350 7.3, then a 03 6.oh no. And now the Dodge. the cummins runs stong and pulls hard, but my mileage SUCKS!!!!!! 12.3 12.4 14.3 Empty and on low or no HP settings. I bought a 01 that I like better than the 06, but the vp trucks have thier weaknesses, VPs and trannys. I WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER DODGE/CUMMINS COMBO. I am starting to hate my truck, everybody else says 17-21 mpg with and without larger tires. They are either LIEING or my truck is a POS. I use my truck to work and the mileage hurts my pocketbook. Its frustrating to hear everyone else get good MPG but me. I am thinking about selling it for a 02-04 Dmax. The seats in my Dodge hurt my fat butt after about 2 hrs in the drivers seat. The interiors are not as sophisticated as the chevys, but better than the Fords(except for the seats). If the new Fords are any good I may go that route, as the Ford , for me, has been a better heavier work truck. If my mileage gets straightened out, I could prolly stand the other stuff. My buddy talked me into buying a Dodge, saying his 04.5 got 21-18 mpg all around and 15-17 pulling. I get 9.0 +/_ pulling my work boat, and the brakes on the Dodge arent as good as my Fords were either. Sorry for ranting, but Im getting fed up as my mileage has been dropping and fuel is rising. So, if you didnt catch that, the answer is NO!

I will NEVER buy daily driver vechicle thats not American.
I can tell you that, thats why all of the big 3 are sucking it up,
Americans buying foreign vechicles.

And why would anyone think of getting a PSD or a DMX?
You guys are getting a little soft around the edges,
Any truck you drive, is going to have problems.
That is always true.

Here we go again . Most Dodges are made in Mexico . Cerebus is expected to sell Chrysler to a Chinese manufacturer after restructuring is complete . The Toyota Tundra , including drivetrain is made in the U.S.

For a Class 5 , I'd buy this over a Dodge 4500/5500 . http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=62009 . The PACCAR PX-6 engine is a Cummins 6.7 . The automatic transmission is an Allison . Consider engine accessabilty with the flip hood . No it doesn't have a crew cab . Get it with a real sleeper .

i like the dmax's but would only own a tractor motor.:cool:

I see some here complaining about the body on dodges,my 93 has some rust ,but my the guy across the road from me has a 93 chevy,with half the miles,that my truck has,and it's body looks like swiss cheese. You are right about the frontend problems,on thr newer dodges,the first gens may ride rougher,but the setup they have seems to hold up a lot better.

My recent visit to the dealership confirmed that I will probably not buy another Dodge. I broke the riVets on the driver side folding floor and they replaced it with the nice steel unit. But, they only did the passenger side. It looks like crap! I guess they have to make cuts somewhere so they can afford to pay for the 200 mil-a-year CEO'S. What a joke!

Hurry/ Trade It On A Chevy Before They Run Out! Obviously A No Heart.

Never again, to many problems with dealerships and Chryslers crap. Probably gonna go duramax if I ever get rid of it. Hopefully I never have to.

never again. been there since 1961. unless i have bad luck which i have never had with a dodge. my 2 first gen. trucks will do me nicely.[coffee]

I never really bought a Dodge. I bought a cummins. If chevy had it I'd be driving a chevy. If Ford had it I'd have a Ford

this is my third dodge, 69 1-2 ton 2wd , just a nice old cruiser, a 87 1-2 ton 4wd, gutless as it gets but utterly reliable and the body is still together. When my current truck wears out( i baby it pretty good) ill get another 1st gen or possibly a 12v second gen. Dodges have there issues, but my truck has probally 250,xxx, on it, and money has been put into it of course, but it is still quite solid. If i want a duramax GMC ride , then im getting a toyota. Ive hated gm my entire life, i like old fords but the new engines are p.o.s.

I am not sure. I have driven Chrysler products for most of my life and my current truck is the best one yet. But for the past several years our company has been buying Chevys with the Duramax's the chevys have a better ride and nicer interior and the dealer support for the Chevys is great. I plan to keep my current truck for a long time so I won't have to make this decision any time soon.


Mike

I won't - because I'm keepin' the one I already got!!

I'll stick with my 92 Dodge Cummins forever. I can't speak for the newer Dodges and their flaws that I sometimes hear about, but I will say that the 1st generation Dodges are the most reliable of any truck you can get, just my two cents. I have 440,000 miles on mine, and it runs as great as the day my dad bought it. He passed it down to me after we did an 85 Cummins conversion truck that he drives now (pics in gallery-it's still a work in progress but will be nice and clean again one day). I'm going to keep my truck until the day it gives up, IF that day ever comes. [laugh] "Old is better."-my dad

Dawson

i would have but since i have had nothing but problems with both common rail motors and nothing but trouble with the 07 the whole truck i probably wont been stuck in a duramax since aug and have been really rough on it and it has held up well except for the fuel mileage. the ctd has it beat. i will wait for toyota to build a crewcab dually with a deisel before i buy new again

I never really bought a Dodge. I bought a cummins. If chevy had it I'd be driving a chevy. If Ford had it I'd have a Ford

I'm with you, the way I look at it the powerstroke and d-max both have made up names to cover up who makes them, sounds better to say powerstroke or d-max than to say navistar or isuzu. Cummins is proud of what they have and for good reason, theres no need to cover it up, they have a reputation behind them. Also look at all the class 8 trucks, industrial and agricultural equipment that runs for thousands of hours and hundreds of thousands of miles every year, do you see any that are v-8's??????? [nonono] NO, they are almost all inline 6's just like the cummins. You have more torque, longer engine life, and 2 less cylinders to feed therefore better economy, which is a pretty important thing with fuel as high as it is, whats the downside here??? I know a lot of guys who drive d-max's and they always talk so highly about them and tell me that I should get one, I always tell them about all these trucks you see in magazines where people put a cummins in a ford or chevy or whatever, you hear of that pretty often, do you ever hear of anybody putting a d-max or a powerjoke in anything???? Anyway thats just my opinion on it, they all have there good points and bad points, you just have to go with what you like

I really liked the Ford F350 Dually body style, the Allison Transmission and of course the CTD. so...

If I had to get another one, I'd go find a F350 Dually without drivetrain, contact www.fordcummins.com for an adapter kit, and then CNC an adapter and stuff to fit the Allison behind it with a custom driveline and smile all the way down the road.

just saw a sterling/dodge pickup at the local ag show . wow it has a frame that is way big. rear end is a removeable pumpkin like a real truck has . auto trans is japans copy of the allison. only comes as a cab and chassy. still can't drop a screw driver under the hood and have it fall out on the ground because of all the junk under the hood . but it was cummins powered.

I will never own another dodge god willing I had a 2008 dodge ram 2500 Laramie mega cab 4x4 with all the options 6speed automatic and the 6.7 Cummins. I had it a total of 2 weeks 1700 miles and had the engine light come on and a severe knocking I took it in and they couldn’t find the problem they wanted to replace it but I traded it for an 07 Chevy 2500 hd the duramax is so nice compared makes the Cummins seem archaic its quiet pulls better off the line is faster up hills and the rides great on the highway loaded heavy its so much nicer to drive the transmission is 100x better as well the build quality is good and lots of options u need in a good truck. So this is an appeal from someone who listened to all his family that had dodges and told him he had to have dodge! DONT it’s a huge mistake they just want u to suffer their fate and everyone tells me how great the Cummins is well so far ill give in to the fact that it lasts a long time and its good mpg wise but if u need power for towing not just low end! or quiet operations that won’t exhaust u after the drive or pure speed get the duramax, I smoke 5.9 and 6.7 all day loaded with more weight all my cousins hate me but guess what I’ve converted 2 of 7 by next year probably all be driving Chevy. So take if from someone who had 6 liter fords duramax and Cummins, duramax is what u want there’s just no compromise with Chevy its all done right.

I'd rather shoot myself than buy anything other than a dodge/cummins.

They need to do something with these crappy injectors, and dropping valves. Never heard of a cummins motor blowing up until these things. Every week I see a new truck at the local dealership with a blown motor or an injector failure.

So far, even though everything man made is ultimately junk, everytime I drive my new Dodge, I'm impressed.

Mike

manufacturing quality in this country (and others) has gone to s@#t, i believe it's called "planned obsolecence", or "make it last just long enough" companys rely on repair of old and frequent buying of new so they can stay in business. a client of mine who was a tire rep for f/stone told me years ago that the tech for building a tire that lasted 100,000 mi was there but if they built it no one would need tires for a long time and the tire companies didn't want that after all. i love my dodge and hated my ford but they all need work and rather than rely on massive time spent trying to get the dealer even to deal with me, i've done most of my repairs myself, which have been few with my dodge, my fords hood was open more than it was shut. you can **** and moan about any product but in the end if you payed for it your signing up for what they build.

They need to do something with these crappy injectors, and dropping valves. Never heard of a cummins motor blowing up until these things. Every week I see a new truck at the local dealership with a blown motor or an injector failure.

ever hang around a ford dealership?

No but I thinks cummins lost it's reputation with me at least with these new common rails. What is it with all the injector failures? I never heard of a marine engine fail? I never said I was going with a ford either. I will be buying a duramax if I even go with a diesel in the future. Then again if they have a half ton diesel I might be all over that. They need to address these injector failures in my oponion.

Look at the new 6.7 litres also. Some are all ready having problems with the emission crap. Thats another bogus thing. United States is about the only country worried about this so called global warming. If the EPA has anything to do with it we are gonna be driving with are feet like Fred Flinstone, or they are gonna make everybody drive a bike.

dad has a dmax here on the farm and don't think gms are trouble free. and i am a gm fan for most my life. anymore just to much tech on pickups. computers are meant for a desk not under the hood of a work rig. as far as half ton diesels i think that will be a v6 dmax. thats why i bought my 84 half ton chev 4x4 short box. 6.2 gives me decent mileage and for the year built goes on down the road. its not a puller in fact no hitch to tempt me with. owned it from new now has 210k on it.

The Ford and GM trucks are not without their problems. I never had injector issues in my 03, nor has my buddy, and neither of us had valve seat problems either. I think the 3rd gen is pretty superior even with it's little issues than any Ford diesel and I'm still up in the air on the Duramax. As for the 6.7, Ford guys are having issues too, but I have heard less with the Duramax.

i buy another dodge if its under 97 i like no computers but the older dodges parts are getting hard to find

my 95 gasser5.9 1500 4x4 treated me well, it was my first vehicle so of course i drove the heck out of it. my 03 ctd is a champ. i have been very pleased with my 2 dodges.

also my .02 :)

Well I DID buy a new one. The 08 6.7 6spd auto in my sig. It is the only new truck I have ever had, also the 1st with less than 100K on it. I could not be happier with it. It pulls better than my bosses 07 5.9 with 6spd manual with 65hp edge EZ that I drive often. We pulled our work trailer with my 08 and he had me order and install a Edge Juice with Attitude (120 hp). I really like the Exhaust break. I never wanted a new truck with all the computers after having my 92 and 96 12-valves but I got tired of all the little things that just eat you up on trucks with over 500K (92) and 300K (96). I have done tons of mods on both and really like how they run. I use to love to work on them but now with a wife and a baby on the way my time is worth a lot more than it use to be. Its not so bad for me to be on the side of the road if some thing happens but not with a pregnant wife or a baby. At this time I have 5 CTD's and now must sell the 96 to make room for the 08 and help pay it down a little ( and buy some 295 Toyo MT's, full replacement front and rear). So far i am very happy with the 6spd auto even after always having manual trans. I even drove a new 08 D-max and did not like the inside even though I was always a chevy guy till I got a Cummins. It ran good I just didn't like how it felt.

Heck yea I'll buy another one! I drive the holy crap out of mine and the only thing that's really broke on it is the stuff I've broken. I haven't put on a water pump, alternator, starter, or u-joints the whole time I've owned it. I've only been through one pump, one rearend, and two clutches. It's got almost 250k on it and the only reason I'm going to sell it is to get one of the last 5.9's. I've even got my brother and sister looking at buying one before all the emission stuff kicks off and ruins it for everyone. The issues I have now with it is the dash cracking, and the bed is broke on one side ??

DODGE ROCKS!! [guitar][guitar]

No but I thinks cummins lost it's reputation with me at least with these new common rails. What is it with all the injector failures? I never heard of a marine engine fail? I never said I was going with a ford either. I will be buying a duramax if I even go with a diesel in the future. Then again if they have a half ton diesel I might be all over that. They need to address these injector failures in my oponion.

alot of injector problems on a common rail come from ppl running a pressure box like an mp8 or predator box 100% all the time and it trashes the nozzles. dont ever think duramaxes dont injector issues either. the early 03/04 d-max trucks keep plenty of mechanics busy because of injector failure.

Never ran a pressure box on mine and neither did th 2 other friends I have with injector issues.

The 3rd Gen Bosch injectors are pretty good - especially the '04.5+ pieces... Don M says they're such a good design that it's hard to improve on.

I think some of the injector problems are related to the fuel and fuel filters being used. In June of 06 Cummins went to a 7 micron fuel filter and yet many company's were still selling 10 micron filters in late 2007. Also not all fuel filters are good at stripping water out of diesel as well as the Fleetguard Stratapore or Baldwin. The only filter I know of that is better then the Fleetguard and still fit in the factory fuel housing is the Baldwin PF 7977.

FYI the Fleetguard fuel filter is 96% efficient at 5 microns. Baldwin PF7977 is nominal at 2 microns and absolute at 5 microns and it has a 24gr dirt holding capacity that is 10gr more then what the Fleetguard holds. The Wix 33585XE is nominal at 7 microns and the 33585 is nominal at 10 microns. Donaldson P550785 is absolute at 10 microns. BTW, Absolute is 98.7% efficiency and nominal is 50% efficiency.

So you can see if you use the wrong filter it can lead to injector problems from water and dirt in your fuel.

The above fuel filter information was made possible by a lot of research from ah64id.

I will never own another dodge god willing I had a 2008 dodge ram 2500 Laramie mega cab 4x4 with all the options 6speed automatic and the 6.7 Cummins. I had it a total of 2 weeks 1700 miles and had the engine light come on and a severe knocking I took it in and they couldn’t find the problem they wanted to replace it but I traded it for an 07 Chevy 2500 hd the duramax is so nice compared makes the Cummins seem archaic its quiet pulls better off the line is faster up hills and the rides great on the highway loaded heavy its so much nicer to drive the transmission is 100x better as well the build quality is good and lots of options u need in a good truck. So this is an appeal from someone who listened to all his family that had dodges and told him he had to have dodge! DONT it’s a huge mistake they just want u to suffer their fate and everyone tells me how great the Cummins is well so far ill give in to the fact that it lasts a long time and its good mpg wise but if u need power for towing not just low end! or quiet operations that won’t exhaust u after the drive or pure speed get the duramax, I smoke 5.9 and 6.7 all day loaded with more weight all my cousins hate me but guess what I’ve converted 2 of 7 by next year probably all be driving Chevy. So take if from someone who had 6 liter fords duramax and Cummins, duramax is what u want there’s just no compromise with Chevy its all done right.

You had one for 2 weeks and now your an expert on how bad dodges and cummins are? Give us all here a friggin' break! Go troll somewhere else...

Had the troll part right. Exactly 8 DAYS ago on another post this guy was asking about suggestions on buying a dodge since he never owned one before.

OH and yes I'm on my second Dodge CTD
Bill

that dudes is nuts......

I bought a new 94 w/a cummins ,Bombed it getting alot of power sure I knocked a couple of clutches & HG but it still runs great & bought a 98 12v
ext cab f/towing it'll run 5,000mi & not need any oil added it's stock & in 4yrs I've just done reg main to it.
I'm still on the fence about the 6.7
BUT know the older 5.9 are good!

When I first purchased my 06 Dodge, I couldnt have been happier. I loved the truck inside and out. 44K miles later, I wish I could say the same. I babied the crap out of that truck, never beat on it or raced it, only pulled a trailer a half dozen times, not even really heavy stuff, just normal loads. Never took it off road, used AMSOIL in almost every hole, made sure I kept a logbook of all maintenance done so I knew what was next and when and at 40K or so miles, the rearend starts going out. The ABS and brake light would go on and off while cruising down the hwy, speedometer would drop to zero and id lose my ABS brakes. The passenger side speaker quit working at just 15K miles. The drivers side front axle u-joint went at 38K miles and my dash started rattling at just 30K miles.

I have since sold the truck. And having said all that, I have to say no, I would not buy another NEW dodge. I took my truck to the dealer about the rearend and the u-joint and obviously they said they could not warranty it because my warranty ran out at 36K. Which I personally think is RIDICULOUS considering the warranty JUST expired and there is absolutely no reason why the rear end or u-joint should have went out at such low mileage. I even called Chrysler to try and explain the situation to them, again, nothing.

Perhaps, I bought a friday truck? I'll never know. But what I do know is, Chrysler has lost my business forever.

Some of you all might say "that is just part of owning a heavy-duty pickup, things are going to break" If I used the truck for "Heavy-Duty" work, then yes, I would expect that. But my truck was a pavement princess that cruised up and down the hwy everyday back and forth to work, never really saw a hard day of work in its life.

That is all.

used AMSOIL in almost every hole

Hope you didn't use it in the Fuel Hole or the HOAT Hole...:o[tapdshut]

I didnt but the Dodge for the Dodge. I bought a Drive train. Cummins power ( been driving cummins for 34yrs) new venture trans, and dana axles. I would have been happier if it had been in a Ford . I never was a fan of the IH V-8 and wouldnt own one. Ford would have been better off to utilize the IH inline six diesel. When the body rots off this dodge I may stick a Ford cab on it.