I just got to vent...sorry

Ive had it. I cant stand the price of fuel. 4.20 today. I filled up the work truck... It cost 142 bucks to fill up. Last week I spent 138. 124 and 129 the two weeks prior. So thats 533 for the month!

My personal truck needs filled up so there is another 130 plus this week. For my needs and line of work I need both trucks. But now I am going to go the extreme opposite. I am going to buy a FREAKING STUPID geo tracker I HATE MYSELF!! But at 30-35 a gallon I can save myself several hundred bucks a month. I drive around 550-650 miles per week between a couple jobs...but between those jobs I have to carry tools and things related to the job.... so I guess Im going to try and make a tool buggy out of a tracker. [yuk]

Im broke on paying for fuel.

And for you people saying you should have thought of this when you bought a diesel -thats a bunch of B.S. Ever since I first owned a diesel back 12 years ago diesel fuel was always priced around a dollar cheaper than gas.
In 1998 I was paying around 1.10. Off road fuel was 72 cents a gallon.
Even up till around two years ago diesel was cheaper than gas

BTW my work truck is an ALL STOCK 5 speed 2003 model- its never got better than 19 on highway and 16 daily driving.

Vent on, these prices are getting out of hand.

Don't blame Ya! , it's friggen crazy. A buddy of mine wants to sell me a
Mazda Miata for $2500, I think I'm going to buy it.

Don't blame Ya! , it's friggen crazy. A buddy of mine wants to sell me a
Mazda Miata for $2500, I think I'm going to buy it.

Ive got a line on a 96 geo tracker for 1500. Its four wheel drive and I can throw stuff in the back...just not sure about the gas can and oil containers for the chainsaws or the chainsaws:o

I just got to vent...sorry

Ive had it. I cant stand the price of fuel. 4.20 today. I filled up the work truck... It cost 142 bucks to fill up. Last week I spent 138. 124 and 129 the two weeks prior. So thats 533 for the month!

My personal truck needs filled up so there is another 130 plus this week. For my needs and line of work I need both trucks. But now I am going to go the extreme opposite. I am going to buy a FREAKING STUPID geo tracker I HATE MYSELF!! But at 30-35 a gallon I can save myself several hundred bucks a month. I drive around 550-650 miles per week between a couple jobs...but between those jobs I have to carry tools and things related to the job.... so I guess Im going to try and make a tool buggy out of a tracker. [yuk]

Im broke on paying for fuel.

And for you people saying you should have thought of this when you bought a diesel -thats a bunch of B.S. Ever since I first owned a diesel back 12 years ago diesel fuel was always priced around a dollar cheaper than gas.
In 1998 I was paying around 1.10. Off road fuel was 72 cents a gallon.
Even up till around two years ago diesel was cheaper than gas

BTW my work truck is an ALL STOCK 5 speed 2003 model- its never got better than 19 on highway and 16 daily driving.

Mandarino, I'm with you. I don't think anyone's going to be foolish enough to trout out the "you should have thought of that 20 years ago":rolleyes:

The bottom line is that we never could have foreseen the sharp rise in prices. We all expected them to go up, but to triple in 5 years?

I drive my truck minimally as of late-- just enough to keep the seals wet, the tank full, and the batteries charged.


Hang in there, guys. This too, shall pass....

jmo

I understand what you're saying. My CTD sits except when needed for trailer towing duty and my daily driver is a Lumina with 258K on the clock. I'm about ready to buy a replacement for the Lumina and as much as I'd like for it to be a diesel (used to drive a diesel Golf), these prices may dictate that I get another gasser.

Mandarino, I'm with you. I don't think anyone's going to be foolish enough to trout out the "you should have thought of that 20 years ago":rolleyes:

The bottom line is that we never could have foreseen the sharp rise in prices. We all expected them to go up, but to triple in 5 years?

I drive my truck minimally as of late-- just enough to keep the seals wet, the tank full, and the batteries charged.


Hang in there, guys. This too, shall pass....

jmo

someone already tried to chastise someone else in another thread using the"you shouldhave thought about that before" argument. I was just venting anyway.
I have even thought about selling out completely and going to live under a rock somewhere.

I paid 4.50 a gallon for milk, 6.98 for a pound of cheese, 2.25 for a loaf of bread...I got a good paying career...and these prices are killing me.

I predict our country is going to fall flat on its face. Dont get my wrong - I am a tried and true patriot - there is nowhere better than the U.S.A. but we have become to concerned with things outside our borders. We are not strong anymore...to many liberals who have no back bone. They set up policies and laws to send our jobs overseas, let illegals come into the country without doing it properly and wont go after our own oil. WHAT THE HECK Im on a roll today[laugh]

I am seeing my life becomming very dull and hard to bear in the near future...no going to the movies on a saturday night with the cummins and smoking out the parking lot for a laugh, no drag strip, no truck pulls - no fun. I hate this.

Go get a cheaper hobby :(

I've found lately that a library card is the best bargain in entertainment.

Sure costs a lot less per hour:)

well I just bought my 1st diesel and it is already getting parked and goin back to the 85 gas chevy truck I have unless I need to tow my trailers

The bottom line is that we never could have foreseen the sharp rise in prices. We all expected them to go up, but to triple in 5 years?


Hang in there, guys. This too, shall pass....

jmo[/quote]



Wouldn't it be nice if our salaries tripled in a five year period.


Tim

someone already tried to chastise someone else in another thread using the"you shouldhave thought about that before" argument. I was just venting anyway.
I have even thought about selling out completely and going to live under a rock somewhere.

I paid 4.50 a gallon for milk, 6.98 for a pound of cheese, 2.25 for a loaf of bread...I got a good paying career...and these prices are killing me.

I predict our country is going to fall flat on its face. Dont get my wrong - I am a tried and true patriot - there is nowhere better than the U.S.A. but we have become to concerned with things outside our borders. We are not strong anymore...to many liberals who have no back bone. They set up policies and laws to send our jobs overseas, let illegals come into the country without doing it properly and wont go after our own oil. WHAT THE HECK Im on a roll today[laugh]

Hey I agree but please enlighten me for a second and I will try to not get political here and it doesnt matter to me one way or the other but the sooner people learn we are nothing more than pawns in this game the easier it will be to sleep at night.

Our President your president is a republican and recently when asked at a press conference by a reporter what he thought about the speculation of gas hitting $4.00 a gallon this summer his answer was "is that what they are predicting?"

I dont think the pussification of America can be put on the backs of anyone in particular not the liberals, not the conservatives.

To each his own and everyone wants to point the finger but c'mon saying something like America has become a bunch of pansies because of the Liberals and correlating it w/ fuel prices is just a little funny...Look to your president what is he doing to change your views & take charge? Wheres the backbone there?

I mean whats worse? A bunch of liberals w/ no backbone or a President that is out of touch w/ reality?

Seriously.

I've got a '92 Tracker for a daily driver so my truck can stay parked and not only is the fuel savings nice but I'm putting miles on a $750 vehicle instead of a $12,000 vehicle. The Trackers aren't the fanciest vehicles to drive but we've got two and they've been very reliable and cheap to own.

It is sickening that we are paying over $4.00 per gallon of diesel now. Keeping on venting if you need to, I'm not too happy either. I'm now in the market to buy a motorcycle to drive to and from work during the the nice season. I'll drive the truck come winter. I could buy a car but I hate cars. I don't even have a good reason, I just don't like driving cars.
Done ranting for now.

My truck, sitting with 3/8 tank presently, isn't going to see much more fuel or use with diesel at $4.05/gal. I have thought I could at least fill it full and leave it, but even that thought gives me a little heartburn to think about. For newer owners, one must consider that back in July, 2001 when I purchsed my truck, diesel was still about 20 - 30 cents less expensive than regular unleaded. I could drive it for right around the same cost per mile as my 325i, which I used hi-test in, even though it got better mileage. I could have never forseen this increase in price.

Now - instead of ranting, who else on here wants answers? Who else isn't satisfied that we have to foot this major bill, with no explanitation? Who else feel like writing a letter to a congressman or woman, and request an explanation? Where do we start on this process? It's one thing to talk about the problem....

I'M AS MAD AS HELL ... AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!!

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I mean whats worse? A bunch of liberals w/ no backbone or a President that is out of touch w/ reality?

Seriously.


Yep, just what we need.......higher taxes AND no relief on fuel prices. :rolleyes:

Next, we'll be giving fuel vouchers to eveyone thay makes less than $50,000 a year and telling any company that makes a profit that they can't be part of the free interprise system. If you want to blame someone for high fuel prices, blame Wall Street (you do the research, I already have).

well I just bought my 1st diesel and it is already getting parked and goin back to the 85 gas chevy truck I have unless I need to tow my trailersWHY ?

You're NOT saving money on fuel going to a gasser that gets LESS MPG. [dummy]

Diesels typically get 30% better fuel economy over gassers of the same vehicle size.

If gas is 30% cheaper than diesel, it pretty much evens out then.

Remember, fuel prices are extremely volatile. Many experts are forcasting this price bubble WILL BURST! Just like the Mortgage market did. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN!

I may be dumb for saying this but i am thinking of coming back here to the CTD world....I sold my truck last year after much debating with myself...bad idea, I miss, im getting another, good news is, I have a cheap 40 mpg beater (1991 Toyota Corolla) and I live about 7 Miles from work, so hopefully I wont be another person who made the wrong move, but I gotta tell ya, cummins are just addicting and to much fun.

on another note, do you think its possible for the fuel prices to drop when we get a new president? just curious? I am ignorant when it comes to politics...i dont pay much attention, school/work consume me

This may be a crazy thought, but do you think middle eastern countries will be nicer to us if Obama becomes president? Because he's racially diverse and his middle name is Hussein.

We just sold my wife's Stratus 2 weeks ago and that put me back driving the 89 W350 daily. I was going to go out and get myself a 1500 dollar beater until the head went south on the old girl. Now I have to spend 1500 beans to fix the very un fuel efficient truck and pray that the weather is nice enough for me to ride the motorcycle.

I filled The Beast two weeks ago ($80 for a 1/2 tank) and parked it.

Wifey's Toyota LandCruiser gets the same MPG, and gas is 70 cents cheaper per gallon.

yea ill be parking mine as soon as i find a nice dd.. i figure ill be saving myself almost $300 a month. beteween 4 fills up a month at $140 a piece... if i find myself a nice dd, tack on an extra $55/mon for insurance and maybe $35 a week in fuel... the savings is almost worth if you ask me.

I still want to know how it is legal for them to raise the price of fuel they already paid for. I don't think the station owners are getting daily deliveries.

As others have stated, not just fuel, the grocery bill is insane. Let's see, we have a social security problem, healthcare coverage issues, crazy increases for food and fuel in a matter of days, the dollar is way down, and we pump billions of dollars into foreign countries. The current government is not doing much, and the candidates for the next office are not putting my mind at ease.

I still want to know how it is legal for them to raise the price of fuel they already paid for.

Yes, this is how they have to do it.

do you guys think they may be running the price of diesel up on purpose to make people switch over to the E85 engines?

I know that the E85 cost just as much as regular gas to produce, so not matter what they tell you your not really doing helping anything. just another way to herd the people in the direction "BIG BROTHER" wants you to go!

im like everyone else, i filled my truck up 2 weeks ago at the low price of 3.80 and parked it. seen maybe 30 miles since. only for work duty or to hall the cab over( but with these prices ill end up camping out of our subaru outback)

One word.. inflation.
its all about printing money to cover debts. check the price of gold. 1000$/oz

I am pretty upset with this myself. I am finally at the point where I found a truck I love and want to keep and fuel prices are going to make me sell it. Getting a beater is a tough sell. Added maintenance and up front cost make it difficult to truly "save" money driving them. I have a bike, so I am going to try and ride this out for another two months while I wait for the weather to warm up.

BTW, you are wrong if you don't think politics has a role in this. Two reasons:

1) Do you remember not so long ago when Exxon and Mobil were two separate companies. Two of the largest oil companies. Remember when the public made a big stink about how it would be a monopoly if the two were allowed to merge. Yet somehow it got pushed through and allowed by the government. Now they have cornered the market for oil and are yeilding profits that are inconceivable to me.

2) Politicians follow the money. That's not a fault, criticizm theory or whatever else you want to call it, it's a fact. Those who support your campaign with the most money, get what they want first. GWB loves Texas and Texas loves GWB. That is why GWB tries to ignore the question about fuel prices whenever he can. That is also why emissions laws have been conituously pushed back... because the big three have a termendous amount of influence in politics.

Now, those two things aside, are they the only reasons. No... not even close. The person who mentioned wall street earlier is also correct. The riskier the stock market gets, the more people invest in oil because it is yielding such high returns right now. Consiquently, the more money they invest, the higher the prices go.

Add into that the fact that oil is traded internationally in US dollars, aaannnnndddd that the US dollar is getting weaker by the day, more US dollars are needed to pay for the same barrel of oil because of its weak value.

Another issue is Exxon-Mobil's investments. For those who don't know, EM has invested billions in LNG (liquid natural gas). This is the future. Importing liquid natural gas from other countries to be used here in the states. Exxon has cut a contract to build a fleet of LNG ships that will be the biggest cargo carrying ships the world has ever seen. They have also invested millions in building LNG unloading stations throughout Texas and the Gulf states. LNG is the future for our energy (at least that is what EM thinks), so they are investing massive amounts of cash to be the leader in supply for that source. When oil reserves do get low and we can no longer afford to be dependent on that source, EM wants to have another basket to go to. Smart on their part.

The last reason is plain and simple.... greed. They are selling at that price because they can. Plain and simple. A smart business man knows that you price your product as high as the market will bear. Even if they lose some customers, you can increase pricing enough so that your profits do not go down because the product is NEEDED. We have to have it. This whole idea of not buying gas for day is nice, but it balances out. We can't not buy it for a month.

So what does this mean? We are stuck. We as consumers are going to have to voice our opinions to politicians (something I will admit I am horrible about) and also cut our consumption significantly (something I am not stuggling with as much as I used to).

I am not making excuses... just telling it like it is. They got us. Am I happy about this. NO! I am super bent about it. Those millionair bas.... are sitting high off of their profits while my lifestyle has changed significantly because of their greed! I do alright for a living and I too am feeling the pinch. If a guy like me is saying "rich get richer...", you know something is up. I don't have the answers, that's for sure. But I will listen and consider any ideas that some up... believe me.

BTW, I also think we were due for a balance in our economy. We have had quite a few years of "golden times" IMO. They haven't been spectacular, but we have had it pretty good for the last 10 or so IMO.

Had we drilled in ANWR 7 yrs ago like the president had proposed OPEC would have less control over fuel prices. Plus we've got Hugo Chavez rattling his sabre.
Since they can control production they can also control the price of oil.
Now this doesn't explain why diesel is 70 cents higher than gas.
The biggest excuse I've heard is that the cost of ULSD is higher than regular diesel. Oh Shenanigans!!! [verymad]

Had we drilled in ANWR 7 yrs ago like the president had proposed OPEC would have less control over fuel prices. Plus we've got Hugo Chavez rattling his sabre.
Since they can control production they can also control the price of oil.
Now this doesn't explain why diesel is 70 cents higher than gas.
The biggest excuse I've heard is that the cost of ULSD is higher than regular diesel. Oh Shenanigans!!! [verymad]

Drilling in ANWR would not have made enough difference to impact prices. Since OPEC controls so much of the world's supply, they control prices by manipulating supply. If we add supply, they can offset that with a little tweak of their spigot.

This may be a crazy thought, but do you think middle eastern countries will be nicer to us if Obama becomes president? Because he's racially diverse and his middle name is Hussein.

No, but they will be nicer to us because his name isn't Bush.

I'm not sure about McCain. I haven't seen any analysis of how his presidency would impact oil prices. The media is too focused on the Clinton/Obama food fight.

Yesterday, I saw a breakdown of where the money in a gallon of gas goes. I don't remember the exact figures, but it was something like the vast majority to purchase crude, then taxes, then transportation and storage, and lastly refining. Retail markup was insignificant. They also mentioned that since Exxon-Mobil is forced to buy a lot of the crude they use, they aren't making as large a profit as they could if they produced it all themselves.

BTW, East Tennessee has a few oil wells. IIRC, the average cost of production is $10 a barrel, for a current profit of about $100 a barrel at today's prices. Some wells are producing such huge profits that the owners are throttling them back to extend their production life.

Yep, just what we need.......higher taxes AND no relief on fuel prices. :rolleyes:

Next, we'll be giving fuel vouchers to eveyone thay makes less than $50,000 a year and telling any company that makes a profit that they can't be part of the free interprise system. If you want to blame someone for high fuel prices, blame Wall Street (you do the research, I already have).

Ok I'll blame wall street for allowing oil to be traded as a commodity. Fine. problem solved Right? I found someone to blame. Your reply is merely speculation at the unknown. It holds no validity to me.

But....
What is the cost of the war on Iraq?
I found this
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

When is that going to end? How can you personally complain about potentially higher taxes when right now look at what we are paying for?? I agree freedom isn’t free and there’s a hefty Edit fee :D and for that I am grateful, but c'mon this war is oil motivated and I don’t see any reduction in oil prices right now do you? How are we helping our nation by being there? Seriously. Weapons of mass destruction? hahaha that’s laughable....

I am truly dumbfounded at rational sometimes. Everyone is corralled by fear.

I don’t have any political affiliation but I will say my vote goes to the first person who can stand in front of someone and say "I don't know"....

The real solution is to quit being a consumer. Until then you’re a sheep just like everyone else..Myself included.

Drilling in ANWR would not have made enough difference to impact prices. Since OPEC controls so much of the world's supply, they control prices by manipulating supply. If we add supply, they can offset that with a little tweak of their spigot.
Well the amount that we would have gotten from ANWR varies depending on which side of the isle is arguing. The left will say we wouldn't get much. Everyone else says it would be quite a bit. However much we get is that much less we would be purchasing from OPEC. Also if they reduced production because of our increased production that will at least keep some of the profits derived from the inflated price here at home. It will also cost them in total profits to cut production.
Now matter which side is right there is still no VALID reason to not drill in ANWR.

Ok I'll blame wall street for allowing oil to be traded as a commodity. Fine. problem solved Right? I found someone to blame. Your reply is merely speculation at the unknown. It holds no validity to me.

But....
What is the cost of the war on Iraq?
I found this
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

This is just another "HATE BUSH" site.
When is that going to end? How can you personally complain about potentially higher taxes when right now look at what we are paying for?? I agree freedom isn’t free and there’s a hefty Edit fee :D and for that I am grateful, but c'mon this war is oil motivated and I don’t see any reduction in oil prices right now do you? How are we helping our nation by being there? Seriously. Weapons of mass destruction? hahaha that’s laughable....
Oh boy here we go!!


I don’t have any political affiliation
Uh OK???

The real solution is to quit being a consumer. Until then you’re a sheep just like everyone else..Myself included.
Come on over to the All politics forum. We could use someone with your views over there.

This is going to make everything else cost much more! Spiral effect. Everything is delivered by truck or train or both. So, they use diesel, so they charge more, so since supplier charge more the store pays more, so we pay more! Yet we have the around the same as what we did 2 years ago coming in, but paying out way more! An minemum wager couldn't afford a vehicle, it's insurance, and the cost to drive it back and forth to work! Let alone a place to live and food to eat. This is BAD, very bad. Spiral effect is cossing death, violence...robbery, poverty, foreclosures, businesses going under, etc. Most inportant one being death. As american's somehow we gotta band together and find a true solution. If we still do have the backbone. One problem is that many many people live in big cities, and don't even own a vehicle. Hence they aren't feeling it as bad as us country folk. And with the way are voting system is, well they have a lot of pull. Noticed this during elections. City folk see things different then the rest of us, and they got more power than we do when it comes to voting. So so so.....ok this venting aint helping me any. But somehow we need to band together as a country. Government is supposed to be the voice of the people, not the ruler. They are to do what we want..or else. So they need to know what we want, and need to do whatever it takes to make it right, or else. or else what? I don't know. I don't think we are as tough as we used to be, as a country that is. Some people are, but there are so many bleeding hearts and people who just don't care. I don't know how the people could rule again, when we don't agree on soo many things. I mean come on, didn't we start this country to get away from taxes and rulers! Just my free opinion

This one is done, it went COMPLETELY political