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BamBam
12-15-2003, 11:40 AM
I was at the dealer and the service manager told me about high performance injectors from Bosch that are approved by Dodge and Cummins. They add about 80 HP and 3-5 MPG...he said "they will pay for them selves in 20,000 miles in increased fuel savings" Anyone else heard of this or have any info no what these are. They are $1600 dollars installed and from my test drive of a truck that had them...wow...lots of git up and go...

joel
12-15-2003, 04:22 PM
Sounds a little too good to be true to me. And, I've found when that's the case, it's usually true! Be vewy, vewy caweful......

cmckinney
12-15-2003, 06:19 PM
What dealer did you talk to and drive this truck? I think I'd have to take a ride to see if they are worth $1600 bucks! Seems awfully high for 80 HP at the crank. A computer is $500-600 dollars.

And I would love to see how they get 3-5 MPG better. But it would be an awesome investment if those injectors performed as advertised. Thanks for the heads up. Did the dealership mention the name of the injectors or order code?

-CM

CTDinMT
12-15-2003, 06:35 PM
More info, PLEASE... If thats the case, the injectors in conjunction w/ a box would be great. Did the sales manager say how much the injectors alone are? Heck, I'll put 'em in myself.-Steve

AK RAM
12-15-2003, 10:39 PM
If that is truly the case, I would gladly pay the extra cash for the injectors just to keep the warranty intact versus a non-approved box....even if it is not as much HP. I'll be watching this thread with interest. More details please if you have them. Hell, post the part # and I'll call DC myself.

Rolngthun
12-16-2003, 05:42 AM
If you can get us a part number, I'm sure we can find them alot cheaper.

Fummins
12-16-2003, 08:32 AM
They may be he KAX injectors @ Kaxmotorsports.com

BamBam
12-17-2003, 03:26 PM
Perhaps you can call the service manager and post the details. His name is Randal Wood 972-296-9800.. I would not know what to ask. This guy is quite knowledgeble...he owns a truck with a Cummins engine that is going to take a shot at the world speed record next year. Ask him about that too...

BamBam
12-18-2003, 12:08 PM
I am sending the guy an email to see if I can answer all these questions.

LRAmberson
12-18-2003, 06:34 PM
I am listening, reading, with great anticipation.

BamBam
12-22-2003, 07:49 AM
OK this is what I got from the service manager at Bankston Dodge:
The cost of the injectors is $1995.00. This includes installation..
The HP at the rear wheels is 85 - 93 depending on the truck
The fuel mileage gains can be seen from 2 to 2.5 miles per gallon.
The injectors are made by Bosch and are certified and have warranty for 100,000 miles
They do not affect the warranty because they are factory injectors not after-market.

The injectors are blue-printed and balanced to give you 100% efficiency with power, fuel mileage gains, and cleaner emissions.
It will not take the HP over what the truck is built for, so you don't have to worry about powertrain problems.
Trust me, it will make you smile........

AK RAM
12-22-2003, 08:19 AM
hhhmmmmm....that is a lotta dough :-

LRAmberson
12-22-2003, 09:44 AM
But you retain that warrenty, it is worth a few injector pumps [laugh]

crabman
12-22-2003, 10:04 AM
Everyone is running around with factory Bosch injectors modified or not because right now there are no others for an 03. Call DC and you will find that installation of those injectors can be cause for denial of warranty because they ar NOT DC authorized factory injectors. This comes up every so often and falls right into the same category as dealer installed box's. This dealer is not the first one to sell EH injectors for the 03. They always say the same things... First-" the injectors are made by Bosch and have a warranty". This is true. Bosch currently is the only one making injectors for an 03 and the people who are selling these EH injectors are offering a warranty on em. Notice it is not Bosch or DC that are offering the warranty and nowhere do they say that it is. Second-"They do not affect the trucks warranty because they are factory injectors, not aftermarket". Well guess what, so are the injectors that every aftermarket performance diesel shop sells for an CR truck. They are factory injectors because there are no others but they have been modified and they do affect your warranty. Third-" it will add (fill in the blank here but the ones I have seen so far were between 50 and 100 hp injectors) 85-93 hp". This is probably true. Its easy to hone an injector to get a hp increase of that amount. Fourth- " this injector will not overtax your stock engine or drive train components". HEHEHE. This is the equivalent of installing a Diesel Dynamics stage three injector on a stock truck. Your going to see a big increase in egts because of that extra fueling. Do I even need to list all the components that are going to be seeing a lot of added stress? Cmon guys. 1995.95 will not even come close to buying a real set of stock factory injectors. Repeat after me " There are no free lunches" "there are no free lunches"...

BamBam
12-22-2003, 04:19 PM
More info...the dealer is getting the injectors from Dr. Performance. They blue print the injector and have them send to Bosch for certification. The dealer installs them and they are the same factory injector. That is why the dealer says they do NOT void the warantee. This is with the core exchange...I am working on getting a quote direct from Dr. Performance...I am sure the dealer is paying about $1000. for them...being the gougers they are.

crabman
12-22-2003, 07:27 PM
First thing to know is that your dealer does not warranty your truck, DC does. People often say or refer to voiding the warranty but this does not normally happen. Your warranty can only be voided if you tamper with the odometer, the vehicle is totaled by insurance or you make vehicle altering changes so substantial as to change or fundamentally alter the vehicle and its use. What us bombers normally face is denial of warranty on a case by case basis or sometimes a partial voiding of the powertrain for power adding parts etc. What has already happened to several bombers who did this is they ran into a warranty denial and the dealer then told the customers " hey we promised we wouldn't deny your warranty and we didn't, DC did." They were then SOL. Call DC and ask them if this will cause a warranty problem. They will tell you it will be cause for denial of warranty for the entire powertrain. All the injectors you buy from any performance shop are factory injectors that they have been extrude honed just like the ones from Dr P. Except of course for the fact that Dr P makes just about the worst extrude honed injector I know of. If you want extrude honed injectors then I would highly recommend you call Diesel Dynamics. You will get a much better injector and your warranty will not be any more or less void. As a final added bonus you will pay a lot less money. This scam has been going on for a long time, don't be one of the suckers.

BamBam
12-23-2003, 11:28 AM
Apparently, the service manager cleared this with DC and Cummins. He says it will not void the warrantee. But what concerns me most is what you said about the injector quality. Are the injectors from DD the same price about $1000 with core exchange??

crabman
12-23-2003, 12:19 PM
As I said, if you decide to go the dealer route then please call DC and confirm what the dealer said. Then get it in writing from the dealer and take it to your attorney before you sign. They have a lot of ways to release them from liability in the fine print. One thing that greatly concerns me is that you are talking about putting a stage 3 level injector on a stock truck. EGTs will be a real problem. No one but Dr P tries to do this and with good reason. Most anyone else will try and talk you out of it. Diesel Dynamics charges 1100 direct for their stage 3 (100hp) injectors but you should be able to get them for less from a local shop. If your going to have them installed then you would be looking at more or less 200/250 more at a good diesel shop. I would highly recommend you call Diesel Dynamics or another reputable shop and talk to them about installing an injector of that hp level on a stock truck. Its better to get it from them than some guy you don't know on a bulletin board.

BamBam
12-23-2003, 03:12 PM
I just called the Service Manager and he said he is getting his injectors directly from Bosch $1795 installed. They are new and not referbed. That is how they can cover them on warranty. I will get that in writing if I go that route. But so far it looks like there is the Dr. Performance $1800, KanMax, and Diesel Dynamics $800-$1100...and they all say they are using Bosch. Confusing...Confusing...Confusing ???

crabman
12-23-2003, 07:07 PM
You cant buy new injectors at that price. As I said they are much more expensive than that. When you get injectors from any shop they either pull your injectors and have em sent in to be honed or they take one of the cores they have and send em to you with yours going back as cores. Most shops have only a few sets on hand, some don't have any. The core charge is very healthy because they are ridiculously expensive. It doesn't matter where you get your injectors, Bully Dog, BD, Diesel Dynamics, Quadzilla, Dr. P, they are all extrude honed injectors that were pulled from a truck just like yours. You need to call someone beside the dealer. I get the feeling you really want to believe them for some reason. It just ain't true bambam, I'm sorry.

BamBam
12-24-2003, 08:50 AM
I am talking to Keith at DD and should have the straight story soon. I am new to this this injector thing and warry.

I don't mean to sound ignorant...(but I am). I have not bombed a truck before and have no clue except what I hear on the web or from the dealer. Obviously, I don't always get the strait story or the story straight. Don't need tons of HP just better fuel economy and a little more zip getting on the freeway. Certanly don't mean to test your patience crabman. Just trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff...thanks for your comments.