Maccandy

Has any one heard if the High-output engine will be sold in California in 2004? I've been waiting to buy for 6 mo. I may need to go to Oregon and get a used 03. ???

Hoss

Doubtful....

moss2904

Maybe if Arnold get's elected?

c5racer

My best guess would be 1-1-2004

doug

January 2004 is my bet. They won't sell ANY HO engines in the U.S. unless they unleash the EGR beast. Starting Jan, the federal EPA regs match the current CA regs. they'll either meet e'm or they won't sell any HOs.

I would have high confidence that the HO will be available in January. but what do I know...

Nevada

[quote author=Doug link=board=17;threadid=18897;start=0#msg177562 date=1062040804]They won't sell ANY HO engines in the U.S. unless they unleash the EGR beast. Starting Jan, the federal EPA regs match the current CA regs. they'll either meet e'm or they won't sell any HOs.[/quote]

:'( The Kalifornication of the good old USA. :'(

cumminsho2500

thank god i just got mine

Maccandy

I'm happy someone has there new truck, I'm almost ready to give up. I may just have the banks stinger + package put on my 95 and forget it. Maccandy :-[

doug

Cummins has something like 4 years production experience with EGR on this very 5.9L engine, so I think you can be confident of an HO engine in January 2004. DC could be stupid but that aside, they've had tons of time to plan this rollover, Cummins has been perfecting the technology for years, and the only roadblock is DC's own decision planning. So I'd put my no-cost wager ;D on a January HO. I think it will be a fine engine. In fact, I think the engine already exists; DC is just not using it.

The downsides to the new HO engines will be:

1. more difficult to bomb. The ISB platform itself has a lot to give in HP thats for sure, but I don't care what they say -- in order to get power you have to have oxygen and therefore, LOTS of HP will be more difficult to acheive if you dillute the oxygen intake with EGR. That, and the fueling boxes will be more complex, big brother will be watching them more closely, and everything will be more expensive...

but if you plan to stay stock -- I'd say the new engines will be great engines for joe consumer. most of the compromizes of the new design will be hidden and of no consequence.

2. more frequent oil changes. i guess the government would rather create more hazerdous waste in the oil than NOx in the air. the new technology dumps lots 'o crap into the crankcase

3. greater cooling capacity requried. now you have to cool hot exhaust gasses and in spite of those efforts, introduce hotter (than otherwise) air into the engine. I'm hearing from Cummins that the new engines have bigger radiators.

What's interesting to me is that, just my opinion here, the cummins ISB engine appears to be positioned well for the future, more so than the Chevy or the PSD. I say that because the ISB has a lot to give in HP (it is used in higher power applications today, unlike the Ford or Chevy engines. thats still true, isn't it?). That means Cummins can add emissions crap and still make up the difference. Ford already cancelled their big new diesel engine development effort, paying off Navistar to terminate the project. Chevy apparently was quoted in the TDR magazine as expressing doubt for the future of diesels. who knows, I know I'm biased towards the CTD but I see a lot more life out of the good old ISB before they completely neuter it with emissions requriments. Just my opinion, but I'm just suspicous that the CTD could hold up under the increasing pressure from the EPA longer than the other two. It will certainly be a fun show to watch anyway.