Who has one or knows someone with one? The full meal deal full billet blah blah

How do they compare to the other big name built trannies?

.....IE cost, function, reliability......


Trying to guage where I should by an automatic from when I swap from handshaker to slushbox.

I believe Morkable (Kevin) has a full race NADP.

I remember that now.......and JEff K has one with a manual valvebody or something too.

and I've been searching through all the auto threads.........man theres a pile of them.

Im interested in this too as i might be looking for a full deal at the end of the month. Also can someone list the "real world" hp numbers you should need the different shafts for, like how much power before i need billet input, intermediate, output and if a flex plate is worth the extra coin?
Thanks

I almost always stay out of transmission talks, but I have been very happy with my DTT tranny. Still feels tight and shifts are firm after 6 years and over 100,000 km's. When I finally add more power to the 98 I will not even think twice about driving down to Bill K's shop and let them work their magic. I had a great time when there, standing around watching/helping them put my tranny together. Did not help much, but it was cool to be there and see everything being done. Went to lunch and dinner with them, they took me to my hotel and picked me up the next day. It was great! And I got a wolfpack t-shirt! LOL When I did have an issue with my tranny, Bill was more than helpful guiding me through all the trouble shooting. Even gave me his cell # for evening and weekend calls.

From what I can see, NADP seems to have their transmissions figured out. I was reading an old issue of Diesel Power from march of 2007 and on page 84 the story in print there either tells me they figured out or had alot of bad luck to put it nicely.


The only person I know who has one is Kevin (Morkable) and he can probably fill you in on how he likes his.

Demon, I am running a NADP full race series. Unfortunately I have 0 experience with any other brands to give you any comparison. I will let you know how I like them after this race season. I can say this the warranty has been good, they have replaced it 3 times with no cost to me

Kevin

3x........ And you are only putting out a measly 1000 + hp. LOL

3x replacement is impressive. The HP being put out these days is getting into the experimental ranges for reliability.

Just to give you guys an indication of what we have achieved with our transmissions, Project X has our full race series in it and it hasn't broken down once. They laid a beating on it too. Mike Drever's truck has a full race in it as well, handles the power great. Petersen's Offroad Mag did a dyno test with our tranny and they gained over 220 lb-ft of torque from the stock tranny. But enough of this....

If your looking at other brands, because there are other good ones out there as well, make sure you know what your getting. Make sure the claims they make are proven. Also make sure the parts they say are in the transmission are actually in there. Ask them what parts they put in it. A well built full race transmission (for Dodge's as an example) will easily handle 800 rwhp with the right billet parts, a well modified VB and proper torque converter. Do your homework and ask around, like your doing right now :), and you will find yourself a tranny that will last as long as you own the truck.

But also remember a tranny is only as good as the guy driving the truck. If he/she beats the crap out of their truck and doesn't know how to properly drive the truck, the tranny won't last. There is no such thing as a bullet proof tranny.

The hardest thing on transmissions is towing. I've owned three different transmissions, all on my bill. So far its been the worst thing about the truck. The one I like the best so far was my old PDR unit and TCS converter. I got 125000kms out of it and I ran it hard. DTT told me that this will be my last tranny but time will tell. I still have my old PDR unit, the entire thing was scrap. The only thing that in the new one is the OD unit and my billet output shaft. My last billet input and intermediate shaft was junk. DTT have an oversize input shaft and torque converter thats been in truck with a lot more HP than mine.

Dennis made some good points. Research is the key and knowing who is putting it together for you helps. Top vendors you will hear about, in no specific order, are Goerend, DTT, ATS, HTS, NADP.

Add Suncoast to that list as well.

Geeze, how could I forget Suncoast.. Man they have been makin TC's since like the early 90's..

lil dog, how did your father make out with his automatic truck? Dodge have a pretty good deal, $5-6k installed and you get a dodge warranty for 60k km's. Of course its a stock transmission, but you dad got lots of mileage out of the stock transmission. I must drive differently than him. I used to think that I drove like an old man but maybe not. I followed a ricer home from work today. I hugged his bumper up to 100 mph. My truck need some front end shortly so I'm trying to limit how fast I go.

Mike, we haven't been able to get a good feel for it yet. I have been busy lately and so has the Father-in-Law. Cost is a concern, so we will have to see, $5K is pretty steep. No he doesn't drive like that...much... He has tamed a few Dmaxs that seem to think older trucks are slow.. ;) I don't see how you could drive like an old man with twins. LOL..

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/pics/data/500/medium/IMG_0540a.jpg


I don't know why trannies blow on you...LOL...

That pic reminds me, where has Ray been? Any of you RD guys talk to him at all?

I can almost guarantee there'll be no long haul towing with my truck.........

just a bit of racing or maybe a sled pull or two.

If anyone wants some more info about our trannies, feel free to contact us and speak to Craig or Collin.

Mike, we haven't been able to get a good feel for it yet. I have been busy lately and so has the Father-in-Law. Cost is a concern, so we will have to see, $5K is pretty steep. No he doesn't drive like that...much... He has tamed a few Dmaxs that seem to think older trucks are slow.. ;) I don't see how you could drive like an old man with twins. LOL..

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/pics/data/500/medium/IMG_0540a.jpg


I don't know why trannies blow on you...LOL...

Werent those new tires at the begining of that day???? Ill need some smaller tires if i want to even attempt doing another burn out. My new rubber is here in april.

I think that day all the stars aligned for me that day to get the wheels to spinning like that[duhhh]. I'll be the transmission test-dummy for you guys. I've tired so far BD stuff, PDR and now DTT stuff. I even have a transmission jack in my garage, so instead of shipping the truck I just send the transmission. NADP is one of the few shop that do a true exchange on transmissions.
If your just looking for a cheap tranny, I saw a few used transmission go thru ebay for $800 including TC, with a month warranty on them. I thought about buying one building it up for a spare.

I can almost guarantee there'll be no long haul towing with my truck.........

just a bit of racing or maybe a sled pull or two.

I have their Heavy Haul 450 minus the billet stuff with a 91% TC. It is too tight for me. I would get an 89% 1600 stall if I were to do it again.
I had mine done in April/May of 2005 and there were issues with the VB's. They had to replace mine because the trans would not lock up. That was before they had their tranny dyno, though.
I'll be in Calgary middle of March if you want to take it for a spin.

Hey Mike, if you're here before the 13th, let me know. Can finally meet. After that I'll be up in Edmonton. Just like last time, if I remember right.

Crap! I am going to get there on the 13th. I will be making it up to Edmonton again, though.
Dr. Evil- maybe we can drink some beer too! lol.
I will be there for a few months.

Hey Mike, you going to make it up as far as Grande Prairie? Be good to meet you too!

Kevin

Dr. Evil- maybe we can drink some beer too! lol.
I will be there for a few months.


You betcha Mike - anytime bud !

I think that day all the stars aligned for me that day to get the wheels to spinning like that[duhhh]. I'll be the transmission test-dummy for you guys. I've tired so far BD stuff, PDR and now DTT stuff. I even have a transmission jack in my garage, so instead of shipping the truck I just send the transmission. NADP is one of the few shop that do a true exchange on transmissions.
If your just looking for a cheap tranny, I saw a few used transmission go thru ebay for $800 including TC, with a month warranty on them. I thought about buying one building it up for a spare.

LOL,, mine wont do that either, unless I run a programer that allows me to eliminate tq managment

Kevin

Hey Mike, you going to make it up as far as Grande Prairie? Be good to meet you too!

Kevin

Kevin,
I don't know about GP; that is kind of far, but I hear there are some good looking women up there. Is that true?

Dr. Evil,
Sounds good.

Marine Mike, that'd be awesome to have a spin. when you come through town. I'm working during the day on the 13th but I'm free in the evening or anytime the next day.


I don't really understand what the 91% and 89% talk means though.........why would you want the stall at 1600rpm with the powerband starting so much lower?

Heres what it boils down to for me in the end, I want to be making mid to high 600s rwhp with a dose of hitrous to add whatever it will add. I want an automatic that I can drag race with...........and drive on the street to work or to the store or just to waste some mustangs.

I think I will really have to look at Jeff Ks setup closer, with the ATS standalone controller for converting my stick truck very painlessly with a floor shifter.


Now another related question with autos.......are the outputs and shaft sizes comparable to the NV4500 to swap the transfercase over. Is it a round pattern 1 1/2" shaft? 29 spline? reason for that is I will be putting in a NP205 transfercase behind the auto. I have a ford driverside drop case and a 1st gen dodge 205 with the round adapter from behind the Getrag......so between that and Advanced Adapters I think I can make it go.

Forgive my ignorance, but why the 205 Tcase? I am not up on all the particulars..

........mainly because I could never break it, as long as theres oil in it. its all gear drive, cast steel case. much smaller than going to a 273. I don't know what a 273 weighs but the 205 is aprox 175lbs but very compact. Some people might say the low range is "only" 1.96:1.........to that I SAY I've got 600 horse power and I don't care. I'll probably only ever use High range anyways, at the track or in the winter.. and at one point I had 4 of them in my garage, and a retarded monkey could rebuild one {thats me} [laugh]


I have a 241 light duty t-case in my truck, I don't expect is to last forever.

I like the higher stall converters. They allow your turbo to spool faster. Once your TC is locked up its doesn't matter if you have a low stall or high stall. 1800 to 2000 rpm is a good number, but it has to be efficent when in the stall speed (excessive heat). Mike, I live in Airdrie. If you want to chat, I could PM you my ph#. I can show you my collection of turbos. I've run low stall, medium stall but never ran a race converter. PDR had one that stalled at 2600 rpm and the convert was really a race piece. It would really help your 60ft times as your HP is way higher at 2600 rpm than 1400 rpm. It would sweet to waste 5.0 stang off the line without boost launching.[duhhh]

Mike,
That would be great!
I don't like my low stall 91% because it is a dog off the line with a trailer on; even just empty it takes a bit to get going. My EGT's are pretty high cruising on the highway in lock up. It goes into lock up almost immediately after I get into OD. PM me your number.

Thanks Demon.(err 1-5-3-6-2-4). I didn't know it was gear drive.. Makes sense to me, less weight is a good thing if its strong enough..

Kevin,
I don't know about GP; that is kind of far, but I hear there are some good looking women up there. Is that true?

Dr. Evil,
Sounds good.

There everywhere,,, lol,, I think,, (better add that in case the wife reads this) [dummy]

Kevin

You can also control the front and rear outputs pretty easy. So when Luke blows up his rearend, he can put the rear in neutral and front in high and limp it home (or do what my co worker did, and drive on it for about 1500 km).

Marine mike, if you put in bigger sticks it would help in the spool-up but your EGT's would go up. I'm supprised that your egt's are that high with that turbo you have. I ran 90rwhp on the stock HY-35 turbo and towed. It was hot and I don't recommend it but I did it. What kinda of boost #'s you pulling at wot? You might have a boost leak and that might be part of the issue.

Kevin,
I don't know about GP; that is kind of far, but I hear there are some good looking women up there. Is that true?



If you can find a "good looking" and "single" woman in GP, good luck!

I hate to say this out loud, but my extended stays in GP usually involved good looking married women, lonely because hubbies were in the bush working.[whistle]

And.....flash a wad of cash.......that's all they're concerned with up there. You can be the quasimodo of the group, but have a huge bank account, model material will sniff it out in Alberta.[duhhh]

[coffee][laugh]

You can also control the front and rear outputs pretty easy. So when Luke blows up his rearend, he can put the rear in neutral and front in high and limp it home (or do what my co worker did, and drive on it for about 1500 km).

Yup twin sticking a 205 involves a pulling the shift rails, a grinder and about 20 minutes.....oh and a new shifter setup too.

Marine mike, if you put in bigger sticks it would help in the spool-up but your EGT's would go up. I'm supprised that your egt's are that high with that turbo you have. I ran 90rwhp on the stock HY-35 turbo and towed. It was hot and I don't recommend it but I did it. What kinda of boost #'s you pulling at wot? You might have a boost leak and that might be part of the issue.

I have 95's in there now. My EGT's are 850-900 EMPTY at 68 mph (1950 or so RPM)
My boost will go up to 40 FAST and EASY. No boost leak there.

It must be the smarty pushing up your egt's at wot. You should have lots of turbo for those sticks. If you pulling 40+psi, it must be working good for you. Sounds odd to be running size 90 sticks and pull high egt's. I had a set of old BD90's and ran them with my twins. My numbers where 1000 to 1100 deg's and very little smoke with my box on 5X5. Running the smarty it smoked but wasn't nothing ugly. I've ran BD125 and they would break 1100 - 1200 deg's on the twins. My boost numbers where low 40's at wot. A good street truck that you could forget about gauges and just drive the truck.[duhhh]

I have the Smarty on stock setting. With just the Comp on 2x2 I can hit 1200 deg so easy it is ridiculous.
You'll see when I see you.
I should have went with the twins when I had the money.
I even sent the EGT gauge back to Isspro and Dan said it was working fine.

cam some break down th auto models for me by year? like 47rh 47re 48re......I've got a bud here that may want to trade auto for stick. his is a '98 or '99 too.

What tranny would that be> and which one do I want to build up....like do I want to get a 48 to put in are they better? or a built 47 is just as good........

anyone want to take a crack at that?

Luke, 98-2001's got the 47re:

http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/4xre.htm


1994-97's got the 47rh:

http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/4xrh.htm


The 48 is probably marginally better but for what you are going to do to it, probably isnt worth spending the extra $ on.

AFAIK, 94-95 was the RH, 96-03 was the 47RE, and 03+ is 48RE. I'm pretty sure 03 was a split year with the 47RE on the 235 or whatever engines were in SO trucks. Just like you could get an NV4500 in the 03's.

Most built race transmissions are built with RE48 parts except for the valve body. The PCM is different. Luke, if you want a transmission you might have to put in a RH48 not a RE. The RH is the mechanical type and the RE is computer. It would take some work to get all of the small pieces to get everything to work right. My Neighbor (the guy you visited last time you cam to see me) might have his truck for sale. Its a high mileage 98 auto 3/4. It has 600k on it and has the original automatic in it. I almost fell over, he's towed for most of the trucks life. I'm trying to get him to part it out but knowing my luck its an 53 block.

I didn't think theres was a 48 RH....only RE's. But if I can get all the billet carp for a 47 maybe I can find a standalone controller for an easy swap. I know ATS makes one for the 48RE.......maybe the 47 too. I'm not sure yet. maybe a **** manual valvebody..........does anyone offer a full manual valvebody. I could go with that too. I'm down with lazy man shifting........this SBC DD on the stock clutch is heaaaavy on the leg in stop and go traffic [tapdshut]

Slightly off topic, but if you convert your truck to auto, let me know about your clutch/tranny/t-case. That would sure help in putting a 4bta in my sisters truck.

You actually driving the old beasty again buddy? How does it feel for power? Of course your taking it easy and taking tiny steps on squeezing those new o-rings down flat of course[duhhh] You going to try any drag racing this year buddy?

Tate........about the drive train. we should talk.


Mike.....of course I'm going to the track

Does NADP build a tranny that can hold 700hp but not shift so hard like Kevin's??

Jamie, mine dosent shift too bad, on the dyno it shifts harder than on the street.. but if it didnt I would be worried, it has to shift hard to hold the hp. You should have seen some of the manual valve bodies I had on some of the small blocks I used to run

Kevin

I think harsh shifting is a function of holding power............ don't you need the line pressure to the clutch packs for holding power and less slippage between shifts

Oh hey........any of you guys have tranny brakes on the built autos. Or what do you launch with?

service brake? nooooo............ line lock.........not with a 4wd.


I hope someone makes a trans brake for these things, anyone know?

Luke I just 2 foot it,, I have no problems with that

Kevin

really, I'm surprised. I thought there'd be tranny brakes on them.

There may be that option, I just dont know anyone with that

Kevin

You have to lighten up your truck a ton to use it. It would be a bomb and you would have to put a scatter shield over the transmission. Once you get over that, you can do it. There some very light trucks using the tranny brake but they don't last too long. If you can hold a 25 to 30 psi launch, your smoken your 60ft. Too bad thats hard on input shafts. Luke if you built a small race truck it would work but there alot more power there a most guys think, most race diesel trucks make power at levels where most prostock guys are at. How many race engine make 2000 ft*lbs and 1200 horsepower at the wheels?[duhhh]

How does the truck run?

Oh you're probably right, I was just horny about a trans brake...........no biggie.


No running truck yet. was going to put the head on the other day and found a sweet little ding in the new headgasket fire ring of #5.......so waiting on gasket exchange.... and new ATS manifold and new tires.........and HD pushrods and rocker studs.


I move to Okotoks in 3 days........I'm not in a big rush about it till after that.

Oh you're probably right, I was just horny about a trans brake...........no biggie.


No running truck yet. was going to put the head on the other day and found a sweet little ding in the new headgasket fire ring of #5.......so waiting on gasket exchange.... and new ATS manifold and new tires.........and HD pushrods and rocker studs.


I move to Okotoks in 3 days........I'm not in a big rush about it till after that.

Are you a drug dealer by chance???[laugh][laugh][laugh]

Okotoks eh? I will be down in High River over the long weekend visiting family. I grew up down there...

Ah very nice, my aunt uncle and cousins are still in High river born and raised.....Frostad


Dealer Naaaaaaaa.......I make more than that........I'm journeyman HD Mechanic oilfield. earn as much as you care to work. [yuk]

Too funny!!!![laugh]

There is a trans. guy in the Calgary area that is quite familiar with our autos. He built my DTT several years ago. He now sources most of the parts from elsewhere which saves lots of $$. He is probably the best Auto trans. mechanic in AB. Also a nice guy. He has a shop in Calgary (partner) and also a complete set up at home.
For more info PM me.
Jim