rip 112

Alright, guys, I've been on here long enough to spot out the best names in the business, but I'm undecided on what is really "needed" for my truck. I want 500-550hp give or take on the 550. I've researched and studied everything I could stand to, and here in a about a month I will be dropping the dough. I want to do it right the first time. I haul with my truck, but nothing drastic, probably won't see over 20k lbs. I don't drag much, but I do "play" with my truck and will probably try it out a few times. I do alot of driving between 30-75mph (back roads, etc).

Here's what I've been looking at so far. Suggestions are needed. I need to know what I'm shopping for so I can get the best price.

CLUTCH
SBC 1947 con fe, ofe?
SBC DD 3250 street?

FUEL SYSTEM
Air Dog 100 (pretty set on this)
any other mods needed to get to 500?

TURBO
ATS Aurora 3000?
HTT HTB2 62/14?
II 62/14 or 64/14 Phat Shaft?
others?

ELECTRONICS
undecided, don't know what to stack if I need to.

Any input would be appreciated.

jgiachino

I wouldn't worry about stacking until you've tried the 230hp smarty race program....hopefully out soon....with that, fuel pump, turbo and clutch, i wouldnt think you'd have an issue hitting 500+ hp.....may want springs if the race tune supports the 4k rpm....

rip 112

I will do springs if it becomes needed. I also won't stack unless i need to.

matego

I would make sure you get the double disk clutch. A single is not bad but you are extremely limited on the boosted launches.

The turbo, your guess is as good as mine. I have a post on here now asking turbo questions.

Electronics... You will have to decide what is important. Adjustability on the fly, programmer, module, possible injectors???

I believe with the supporting mods you already listed and the right electronics 550 will be easily done.

trx

Hey rip I was hoping to do the same thing just not sure if the set up i was planning on. My hopes at 500- 550hp would be silver 62 turbo set of small injectors and perhaps an mp-8. I'm sure this would get me over 500hp just not sure how well it would work for towing. Side note i love my ofe

rip 112

I like all of the SBC clutches, but the ofe looked limited to 450hp, and the fe to 550hp. I want some comfort, but will sacrifice a little. I like the fact that I'd like to have a DD, but if its not needed or worth it I won't shell out the extra $$$ for it. II has a 64/14, but I'm not clear on if its best over a 62/14. I haven't had any prior experiences with this as it is my first time tricking out a cummins.

desertchecker

425-525 = HTT 62/71/13ss 525-600 = HT 64/71/13ss

rip 112 keep in mind in order to push 525 + a modded or dual cp3s on CR motor will be needed , also a decent fuel system fass 150 , stock injectors are good for 500-525 want more ? need injectors at least a flux 1
minimum for 550 hp +
lets not forget the trans HTS be first choice of course I am partial to dusty & maryann LOL .

Step 1 beef up clutch, trans etc

Step 2 ARP or Schied Head Studs save money and do this now can be far more expensive to pull head and do it later as a result of blown head gasket.

Step 3 Smarty race program or beta program 4.3 or 4.4 depends on how much smoke you want .... approx 600.00

Step 3 HTT 62/71/13ss or 64/71/13ss up to you how much $ you want to spend and how much power you want.
approx 1,700.00

Step 4 PPE Dual cp3 mod approx 3,500.00

thats the recipe for 550 reliable HP approx 7,000.00 + with new parts
( but the price will go up over time with broken parts 550 HP is a lot harder on parts then most folks realize )

keep it simple 550hp is easy to do but remember 450 hp + 900ft lbs tq + is where you start getting into big $ long term tearing up parts tires included .

with the mods above you would have a fast truck !

I am right around 650 hp now and my tires are going bald at about 7,000.00 miles a set on my 3rd including the spare that I roasted , and thats without boost launching , I quit that on my 3 transmission rebuild truck has approx 21,000 miles now. not in any way trying to discourage you just disclosing the facts this can be an expensive addiction. (Just giving you the facts no candy coating)

trx

great info, how important are the cp3 upgrades this seems like the biggest cost on the buildup also what can be gained by the injectors if the stock ones are good to 525? He's got a 6 speed so the trans not needed

desertchecker

trx yeah I caught that a little late edited my post .

desertchecker

the dual cp3 mod basically eliminates the bog running out of fuel feeling you get by draining the rail as a result of turning up the TST or other program to a demand that the stock cp3 pump cannot keep up with .
this usually is not an issue around the 450-485 range , but get into the 500 + and it will become an issue.

by going with a set of high quality injectors like the fluxs the benefit is smoother idle, smoother throttle response, cooler EGTs, more power, for his truck a set of flux 1s would be perfect with a 64/71/13ss a smarty 4.4 beta his truck be approx 525- 550 hp all day long minimal smoke on 4.4 beta #9 & still not kill mileage would be very reliable so long as your not dropping the clutch from dead stop thats what really hammers these trucks most of us with 3rd gens are approx 7200 + pounds thats a lot of weight to push from a dead stop especially smoking the tires LOL.........

rip 112

From what I've seen, the stock cp3 and injectors should hold up. I'm truthfully aiming for 500, but a little more wouldn't hurt. I may do something like the arson cp3 mod and flux 1s. I want power, but I want it to be reliable and stable.

I'm out for tonight, see ya'll tomorrow. Thanks so far, keep em coming.

desertchecker

for 500 hp get yourself a smarty beta tune 4.4 get a hold of bob wagner , buy a HTT HTB2 62/65/14, the larger 14cm exhaust housing keep things cooler when towing heavy load and also scream a little more on top end.
the 65 wheel better for towing and the street instant spool , almost like stock turbo, stock 4 inch exhaust is fine although 04.5 ? maybe need exhaust ?
beef up clutch etc install head studs you will be around 500 hp very simple setup plenty of adjustability with smarty alone , I think as we head into the future with smarty performance there will be no need to stack.
if you find that your rail pressure is low you can always add pressure but look at my sig the smarty alone does plenty of pressure on its own and you do not need any more pressure for 500 hp then what a smarty beta 4.4 does. rip looks like its not going to be too expensive for you to hit your goal. hope this info helps you buddy.

tcr

For 550hp your stock CP3 will be solid. Get a fuel system, small sticks(50-75hp) a Smarty and I'd put a HTT 64/13 w/ 71mm wheel if I could do it all over again. You should be around 550-580 w/ this set up. It will be tough to top 500 w/o sticks though.

t-boe

Shane (Luvnacumns) put down 571hp with a Smarty, mp-8, and Aurora 5000 alone. Sticks are nice but not neccessary. A Silver 62 or 64/71/13 SS would be enough turbo. You don't want to push the limits on the HP range on any turbo because your egts will be pretty high and the end of a full throttle run or when towing. After the clutch I'd get a decent turbo, Smarty and a pressure box and find out where you're at and then decide on injectors or not. Dual CP3's are definately not needed in that range. You could get a stage 1 or 2 CP3, but stacking a pressure box on top of that will kill stock injectors. You might want to check with lmills about the Airdog 100. He may recommend the 150. I'm not sure though.

tcr

Remember what engine we're talking about guys, he has a 305/555. Alot different/harder to get 500hp from.