Since being forced to convert to ULSD all of the stations that offered biodiesel in my area no longer offer it. I got onto the Biodiesel.org website to look up the stations offering biodiesel and to my surprise the number of biodiesel stations has dropped statewide. The nearest station is now 30 miles away. Here is the real kicker, 25 miles away is a biodiesel refinery! ***?!? One of my former college professors did research on Biodiesel for 10+ years and he has always told me bio runs cleaner than #2. I guess this is what I should expect from the bunch of hippie idiots that run the EPA. In a time when our country is concerned with the environment and reducing dependence on foreign oil it seems fitting to me that you can no longer buy a cleaner, home grown fuel.[dummy] [dummy] [dummy]

Anyway, my question to everybody is this: Has the number of biodiesel stations decreased everywhere or just Missouri?

Biodiesel crap sucks anyway. We don't have any here in my part of NH or VT. I think the nearest station for me is 100 miles.

Slowed down in TX. I believe TX has said it has not been proven to burn cleaner and until it is it will be frowned upon.

Biodiesel crap sucks anyway.

Do you have any facts at all to back this statement up?

I wont use it anymore!! When you see 2 new tractors go down in 20 hrs because of 20% bio. That is all the warning I need.

I have run bio up to %100 in my truck with no problems whatsoever. The worst thing I have heard about running good, clean, properly made and dried Bio is that you will need a fuel filter change sooner than expected.

I can still get it at the pump in several places in Portland, OR.

And what makes you think that hippies are running the EPA? Is it because the word "environment" is involved?

Ten years ago, only "hippies" were even talking about biodiesel and now it is at the pump just like the regular stuff. (at least in my area.. sorry to hear about the shortages elsewhere.)

[quote=woodrat;1574343]I have run bio up to %100 in my truck with no problems whatsoever. The worst thing I have heard about running good, clean, properly made and dried Bio is that you will need a fuel filter change sooner than expected.

In your older Dodge you can burn used engine oil and not have any problems. It is the high pressure CR that are so critical on fuel quality.

I wont use it anymore!! When you see 2 new tractors go down in 20 hrs because of 20% bio. That is all the warning I need.

What happened to the new tractors??Was any damage done.

I have been running B100 for two years with no problem..

I suppose I should start with the ? before I rant on the fact less rants .
There are a lot of reasons to see fewer , some processing plants are affected by winter , both temp & crop supply , I'm a little mift that in a large metro area like St Paul & Minneapolis , that its an hours drive to find b100 , in the only state that has a law 2% min. bio in all diesel in state . then like the TX issue , Bush's main oil capital is going to be against any alternative , they are one of few that make that claim , They just do not like Willie Nelson anymore .
If your going to dump on something , offer up some info [ thats what I though the site was about ] I have read that there are some issue with bio going through high pressure systems & changing it some how , but I for got , maybe infidel will chime in , I think he had some info on that .
I know that there is so much BS rip off stuff going on out there that its just easier to dump on anything new [ not so new , since Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel so that farmers could make there own fuel , albeit that the eng. has evolved on petrol since then { maybe to keep us from alt./original fuels }] rather than doing some home work , rant over .

Somewhere I found a site where I guy was running not bio but WVO in a VW TDI with the common rail system. Common knowledge says that it can't be done, but last I saw his site he had been doing the impossible for months with no serious troubles.

I wont use it anymore!! When you see 2 new tractors go down in 20 hrs because of 20% bio. That is all the warning I need.

how did they "go down"?

To make this absolutely clear to everyone I am refering to professionally manufactured Soy biodiesel and not the home made biodiesel based on used cooking oil.

Hippies was the wrong word and I apologize. Please read "the extremely intellegent people running the EPA" in place of hippie.

About the emissions related to biodiesel, when compared to #2 diesel
From the biodiesel.org web page:

B100
total unburned hydrocarbons -67%
Carbon Monoxide -48%
Particulate Matter -47%
Nox +10%
Sulfates -100%
(PAH)Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons -80%
nPAH -90%
Ozone potential of speciated HC -50%

B20
total unburned hydrocarbons -20%
Carbon Monoxide -12%
Particulate Matter -12%
Nox +2% to -2%
Sulfates -20%
(PAH)Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons -13%
nPAH -50%
Ozone potential of speciated HC -10%

So as you can see with the exception of Nox, biodiesel reduces emissions. On a more personal note, I had the opportunity to speak with the biodiesel research director for Mercedes Trucks while I was in Germany. They produce all of their biodiesel from rape seed and have had no problems with any of their trucks running biodiesel. I also visited the M A N engine works (also in Germany) and all of their engines are guaranteed for use with 100% biodiesel. European E5 emissions are stricter that the 2007 EPA requirements and as such new trucks in the EU must run what they call Bluetec(urea injection system) to capture Nox. However, running Bluetec Mercedes and M A N have both been able to increase the efficiency of their engines (ie horsepower and mileage) while running 100% biodiesel.

Knowing all of this I have to wonder just why you cant hardly find biodiesel in some places.

Just had a report on our local news channel about a bio diesel plant that began production in our area last year.
They interviewed the plant mgr and he said the plants production is down 75% because of the cost of soybeans have skyrocketed.
he said that since they opened the plant his cost of production has went up 70 cents a gallon

From what I've read there is a BD shortage in Europe and they are importing vegetable oil from are over the world to feed their fuel needs.
Could be that that the soy growers figure they can make more money exporting raw oil rather than making it into fuel to use here.

Here's the problem in Texas. The legislature changed the tax credit that went to the bio producers. Now it's the blenders that gets the credit. So bio producers that don't blend with #2 lose out, and most have are moving shop to LA and OK.

Oh, and we are forced to use 10% ethanol blend. [yuk]

MikeyB

Do you have any facts at all to back this statement up?

Ran a tank full bought at a station (not homemade) and I did not like the performance, fuel mileage, or the fact that I have to change the fuel filter every 3000 miles now. I will run waste motor oil any day over bio, but that is just my opinion.

The injectors went bad. They were running on a 20% mix the problum was possably improper mixing of the BD with the regual diesel. On farms when you order BD say a 20% blend and you have a 1000 gallon tank they dump in 200 gallons of bio and top it off with regual diesel. So it is hard to say what % of bio was in the tractors.
I have run 10% in my 06 Dodge with no problums but I am not going to do it until anymore until I feel more confident in the product.

Biodiesel crap sucks anyway. We don't have any here in my part of NH or VT. I think the nearest station for me is 100 miles.

I think I saw biodiesel at a small station in north conway once..
Best to make it yourself anyhow.

Ran a tank full bought at a station (not homemade) and I did not like the performance, fuel mileage, or the fact that I have to change the fuel filter every 3000 miles now. I will run waste motor oil any day over bio, but that is just my opinion.

This is still limited knowledge , causing the problems , changing the fuel filter is only necessary once or twice , or until all the dirt is cleaned out by the bio , diesel is a very dirty fuel , after that , you change filters at normal intervals .
The WMO is by far a much more problematic , were talking the science of chemistry , as in an science , you need more than one test sample , to make conclusions , I'm not trying to convert you , but many will take as fact , and what your saying is not matching many yrs & a lot of real world info .
The biggest problem with bio is the vast majority of processor's are small , independent , farmer owned coops , ect , and the plants are built by mostly people that know what there doing , then when the builders leave , there is a lot of problems by the operators , mostly PH issues , this is 2nd hand info from people I know who are building these plants , in some cases , around the world .
As before , just trying to find & share info , to better be able to make choices .

The injectors went bad. They were running on a 20% mix the problum was possably improper mixing of the BD with the regual diesel. On farms when you order BD say a 20% blend and you have a 1000 gallon tank they dump in 200 gallons of bio and top it off with regual diesel. So it is hard to say what % of bio was in the tractors.
I have run 10% in my 06 Dodge with no problums but I am not going to do it until anymore until I feel more confident in the product.

Something tells me this was a bad batch of bio.Poor processed bio will destroy a injection pump and clog injectors.I ran B100 on my 195 injectors for about 6000 miles.When I upgraded to 215 injectors,the orginal ones were spotless...

Biodiesel is superior and that is a fact.
I am quite knowledgable on the production of biodiesel and it's effects.

Soy biodiesel is not the best because it has a higher iodine value which increases the possibility of polymerisation with oxidation. Soy biodiesel is safe when made correctly. It is common in the US because that's one of our main crops.

Biodiesel Nox emmisions can be reduced below Nox emmisions from #2 diesel by changing injection timing and engine operating temperature.

Your engine will run smoother and last longer.