To see what Fiat brings to Chrysler go to www.youtube.com type in iveco , and look at choses ,also checkout iveco military

One wonders if some of these Iveco vehicles, will come to Chrysler's Ram and Jeep brand ?

Some of these Iveco trucks could come to the Ram brand, depending on om customer demand, what do you like ? CAB.

When I was talking to one of the local dealers to work a deal ... He said that Dodge Trucks will break away from Chrysler.

Not how true that is ...

When I was talking to one of the local dealers to work a deal ... He said that Dodge Trucks will break away from Chrysler.

Not how true that is ...Word is they will be Rams. The Dodge brand will be gone. I'm not sure I like that but...

When I was talking to one of the local dealers to work a deal ... He said that Dodge Trucks will break away from Chrysler.

Not how true that is ...

Ram is just to big for Dodge to manage along with its van'v suv's and car's ,
so Ram becomes its on brand under Chrysler , CAB.

PS/ Ram its break away from Dodge , not Chrysler

If you goto www.youtube.com and type iveco , do take a look at the trucks like the discesa and other trucks, if you see some that you thank should come to the Ram or jeep brands , will you let us know and tell us why ?

If you goto www.youtube.com and type iveco , do take a look at the trucks like the discesa and other trucks, if you see some that you thank should come to the Ram or jeep brands , will you let us know and tell us why ?
Hmmm I'm trying to follow this but I'm having a hard time.
Do you work for Fiat/Chrysler?
I don't mean that in a derogatory sense but I'm getting that impression.
I would actually find that to be bonus points for Fiat if they had folks polling sites like this to see what Americans want in their trucks!!

Here's what my dealer told me (and we know they're always right, don't we?)
Now that Chrysler is no longer part of Daimler-Benz, they won't be carrying the Sprinter. It's interesting that the 2010 Chrysler fleet catalog lists the 2009 Sprinter (they don't call it a 2010) as a stop-gap.
For 2011, Fiat will be supplying "something similar" to replace the Sprinter.
I suppose, if you want a Sprinter, you'll still be able to get one, since I've seen them with Freightliner and Mercedes badges.

Hmmm I'm trying to follow this but I'm having a hard time.
Do you work for Fiat/Chrysler?
I don't mean that in a derogatory sense but I'm getting that impression.
I would actually find that to be bonus points for Fiat if they had folks polling sites like this to see what Americans want in their trucks!!

I'm a member of Chrysler advisory board ,its meant to help Chrysler with its customer needs and wants, get suggestion from owners and help Chrysler with new improvements and help point the way to the future , example ,Do you need rear fog lights ? Note all vehicles in Europe have rear fog lights ,it helps you to see the stopped vehicle in front of you ,in snow , fog , and rain and keeps you alive . If you want them on your rear bumper ? just let use know , on this topic .

I'm a member of Chrysler advisory board ,its meant to help Chrysler with its customer needs and wants, get suggestion from owners and help Chrysler with new improvements and help point the way to the future , example ,Do you need rear fog lights ? Note all vehicles in Europe have rear fog lights ,it helps you to see the stopped vehicle in front of you ,in snow , fog , and rain and keeps you alive . If you want them on your rear bumper ? just let use know , on this topic .

how about some greaseable u joints and ball joints from the factory [duhhh]

I'm a member of Chrysler advisory board ,its meant to help Chrysler with its customer needs and wants, get suggestion from owners and help Chrysler with new improvements and help point the way to the future , example ,Do you need rear fog lights ? Note all vehicles in Europe have rear fog lights ,it helps you to see the stopped vehicle in front of you ,in snow , fog , and rain and keeps you alive . If you want them on your rear bumper ? just let use know , on this topic .
OK that's great!!!
Thanks for listening.

how bout remote mount fuel, oil, and transmission filters. would make maintenance easier to perform, and in that end, make your vehicles last longer/ less likely to be in for warranty repairs.

How about making bypass filtration standard along with the remote mounts already suggested.

How about optional manual hubs? Keep manual transfer case shifting as an option?

Do you know what FIAT stands for "Fix- It-Again- Tony". Good bye to Chrysler as we knew it.

slow2run - if you really are who you say you are....

How about ensuring the front end suspension components are designed, engineered, and built to ensure the ELIMINATION OF THE RISK OF 'DEATH WOBBLE'. If you really are a member of the Chrysler advisory board, I'd be very surprised if you haven't 'heard' of this little anomaly that seems to affect many of your finely engineered trucks whether stock or modified. If you're not aware of this phenomenon, click this link (http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/search.php?searchid=3667311) to review the over 500 threads just on this message board about this dreaded occurrence.

And another thing - I think Chrysler's elimination of the lifetime powertrain warranty was a very bad idea. I think it should have been expanded to include some of the other items in your product line, such as diesels (non-commercial use) and the SRT models.

three simple words: DIESEL POWER WAGON!

The most important thing that can be done is honest service. I would buy a 2010, but with the dishonest service forget it. Otherwise, they are on the right track. I like rear fog lights.

Pete

How bout' some technology from your Ferrai brand? Maybe a ground effects diffuser? Just kidding.

The best thing you can do for yourselves is keep the bullet proof Cummins powertrain focusing less on BHP and more on fuel economy at current torque levels. I use my 3500 Ram pulling 4 x 4 heavy loads in back country off road ranch conditions. The 08's powertrain is more than sufficient.

Maintaining better reliability over the competition scores higher for me than touting the latest electronic gizmo or, styling add on. Adding a European rear two stage red fog lamp is a good safety feature but, big picture, Fiat must continue build heavy duty trucks that focus more on being the best durable truck on the market in extreme conditions versus building town mall cruisers.

And, there is price. The current sale practice of marking them up and marking them down never made much sense to me. Given my remote location, I don't have time to dither with sales people when I buy/trade my trucks. Market the trucks at what you're really prepared to sell them for.

how bout a seat belt dinger that lets you get out, open a gate, and drive through the other side without naggin ya... should give ya a 40 foot buffer.......... maybe longer if you have a towing package as these rigs can get long, and plenty of pickemup drivers deal with gates all the time.

how bout a seat belt dinger that lets you get out, open a gate, and drive through the other side without naggin ya... should give ya a 40 foot buffer.......... maybe longer if you have a towing package as these rigs can get long, and plenty of pickemup drivers deal with gates all the time.

This is one of the many features I had disabled when my truck was new. The light comes on, but there is no more bells. I also had the dealer disable the lights-flash and the horn chirp when using my key fob to lock my doors. There are about eight other things I had addressed when I took it in for its 30 day maintenence check.

I want a truck with gauges that actually function. Idiot lights don't do any good. I also think that an EGT gauge is a necessity for any diesel engine, stock or not.

If you goto www.youtube.com and type iveco , do take a look at the trucks like the discesa and other trucks, if you see some that you thank should come to the Ram or jeep brands , will you let us know and tell us why ?

youtube vid's are kinda tough to see features (like the rear fog lights). You must have something with better information that you can point us towards?!?!?!

Ok - bluntly - ugly. Old school Land Rover looking SUV's. Great for the style of off roading that is done over there, and in some US locale's. Seems that the front tires are placed a good foot forward of what we are used to on this side of the pond.

Bed heights look impractical for ag/industrial use, not to mention the low bed side heights.

I want to be able to order my truck with heavy duty upgrades like a tranny that is capable of double the stock power. I want to be able to get top of the line A/T tires on it. And heavy duty suspension components....I'd like to see a line that is NOT aimed at mall cruisers (like someone else mentioned) and more at the guy that works with his truck (not in the cab with a laptop).

boxes must not be part of the cab... replaceable/removeable only... Avalanch and Ridgeline are NOT trucks... Would be too scared something would dent that affected the cab...

How about a truck that gets 30 MPG?

A real truck, 1/2 ton, full sized with a CR 4cyl?

Build one, we will come.........in droves.

My opinion is Chrysler should have died a quite death in BK. Then the mighty Cummins could have went into "another brand". I know I won't buy another new one.

Glanced down in the shower today and saw the name on the drain is FIAT. I hope this is not a foreshadow of this truck going down the drain![laugh]

I would LOVE to see a Cummins Powered 1500.... I do not have the need for a Heavy Duty Truck BUT would like to be able to Tow my Boat to the Beach and get 14 to 16 MPG..... Truck needs to get 23+ on Highway with no Load/trailer...... Choice of Tires when purchasing NEW..... Better LSD, and front end Man-Hubs.... Larger / SOLID Rear and Front axle on the 1500 Diesel for strength and durability..... Main thing is you better keep the Cummins Engines or your repeat customers that come back for the Cummins reliability will be gone down that drain with the lable FIAT....... Sales will cease to exist!

Get the V6 and V8 Cummins motors into your light pickups and large cars.
[duhhh]
Build something that I can comfortably climb in and out of. I have to lay onto the passenger seat and go feet-first to get out of that stupid little caliber. I'm not a little guy, but I should be able to look to the side and see something besides the edge of the doorjam.
:mad:
Last time I was at the dealer, by the time I got situated to the pedals and steering wheel, my shoulder was in the B pillar on every vehicle (including an 08 Ram) except for the Nitro. And I didn't even have to twist me knee to put my foot on the gas in it!
[dummy]
How about building a cheap car, too? If I was in the market for a new vehicle, if you had a small-to-medium car, with A/C, an automatic, am/fm/cd with 4 cheap speakers, power passenger window and mirror, and tires that had a 70 to 85 aspect ratio, so that it wouldn't spin out like my aunt's PT turbo or my sister's neon with those stupid ultra-low-profile tires do any time someone takes a leak in front of the car, I would probably buy it. If the doors were big enough, and the roof high enough, I could make an easy entrance/exit, and not have to lean over the steering wheel to see what color the traffic light is.
[deadhors]

I have been looking around Fiat's website, and it is hard to find specs on anything, and it's all in metric.

But I like that Massif. Solid axles all on leaf springs. About as simple as it gets. Not being real familiar with metric, I don't know what size it is but it could be a good addition to the Jeep line-up. To be marketable as a full-size here, it needs an 8 foot bed. I wouldn't own another short-bed pickup.

The Daily and the smaller van similar to it could become popular, especially if they are as reliable as and cheaper to buy than the sprinter. I could see the Daily becoming popular with hot-shot operators if it could be build it as heavy as a 4500 series pickup, put the Cummins powerplant in it, and build it as an extended-cab chassis cab, where the extended cab could be used as a sleeper.

You tell those idiots over there if they screw up our trucks, We won't be buying anything. I am getting a little PO'd. I am NOT drinking the FIAT coolaid!!!!!!

I want a truck with gauges that actually function. Idiot lights don't do any good. I also think that an EGT gauge is a necessity for any diesel engine, stock or not.

i agree

KEEP The manual transmissions.

Ford and Chevy have all but discontinued manual trannies and gone the route of too much luxury. I bought my dodge for the manual tranny adn mileage that i get while towing.

Keep the trucks simple. keep maitnance costs down and focus on maintaining the brand as being a solid work truck. Customers in the utility market are looking for the truck that will LAST a long time. drivetrain is the key parts that don't fail every 60k miles would go a long ways to establishing a stronger foot hold in the market.

my suggestions:
1. Start offering some smaller diesel engines in the mid size line. I know if i could get a Dakota with a small turbo diesel and manual tranny like the little hilux i drove in Argentina I would be in there in heart beat buying it. excellent mileage and snappy turbo charged diesel power with extremely long engine life in a 4x4. No brainer. Same thing with the current HD model trucks equit with the cummins I buy it for the decent power but i also buy it for the mileage i get while using. Quit looking to compete in a market that your competitors are saturating already with hybrids and electric vehicles, teh US consumer wants mileage and decent power with minimal service issues. The diesel turbo charged engines offer this and all the other manufacturers have moved away from this. Blue ocean strategy look for the nitch market that your competitors are choosing to ignore.

2. Manual trannies (put them back in the 1/2 tons and don't phase them out for the 3/4 and 1 tons) Don't discontinue the manual tranny it's soon to become a nitche market share as those manual tranny lovers can no longer get that from any other US manufacturer.

3. Consider offering some drivetrain options: manual locking hubs with greasable bearings, greasable u-joints and ball joints. these things aid mpg numbers and contribute to the longevity of the vehicles

4. consider going back to the ultra simple long lasting straight axle on the 1/2 tons. yes the ride is a little less but the simplicity, durability and longevity of that design has served many owners well. It is a favorite in the utility user's market as many companies have found that IFS is more prone to maintance, service and premature failure in 4x4 applications. It could also lend itself to supporting the additional weight of a smaller diesel engine designed with economy in mind.

On my comments 1 & 2 remember the jeep liberty was a success beyond internal estimates. had they offered a stick and a straight axle front suspension they would have gotten a few more people to buy in, if you doubt that pickup a jeep mazine from that era and see/read the enthusiasm of the customer base and then read the later disappointment with the lack of the above mentioned options. I drove my 1999 cherokee AC power windows with a 4.0L engine 4x4 and 5 speed for 230k miles it got 22-24 mpg, and never had an issue with the drivetrain. We had 4 libertys the front suspension needed to be fully gone through at 90k miles on all, the V-6 serviced every 3k miles blew up at 130k and the only one that hasn't had a tranny problem is a 6 speed manual. alot was lost in the downgrading of the quality and durability of those SUV's, i hope fiat is able to bring this back.



For our service trucks and salesman vehicles we are always looking for 250k miles of relatively trouble free service, mileage and durability are the keys. if i could buy a 3/4 ton or 1/2 ton with a small diesel engine or a mid size with a small diesel getting 25 mpg vs the current gasoline options i am limited to with 12-15 mpg I would be there in a second. My guys dont need eath pounding HP and torque, they dont want a slug either but my old 305/555 or the 325/600 was plenty for them to get up and on any highway with a load and not have issues, anything more is a tire burner and parts breaker. And i am tired of only being able to buy automatics for many of these vehicles. use the same good simple syncronized 6 speed or 7 speed manual in all markets europe, south america and the US. example teh zf 6 speed ford used is cheap to get parts for and to repair compared to my nv or the later 6 speed. In the steep hills of the costal northern CA my guys smoke an automatic in 100k miles regardless of manufacturer due to the rugged and long steep driveways up to construction projects.


my .02 for the future of Dodge

I think this is fake - I don't think slow2run is a member of this 'board' or whatever he was talking about.

slow2run - please reply that you're actually reading these comments, and provide us some of the feedback you're getting from some of the other 'board' members.


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I think this is fake - I don't think slow2run is a member of this 'board' or whatever he was talking about.

slow2run - please reply that you're actually reading these comments, and provide us some of the feedback you're getting from some of the other 'board' members.


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Even if he is a fake, I am sure some "unofficial" Chrysler folks see this site.

Doesn't mean they are smart enough to look at the success of the Sprinter when it had the 5 cyl, and think " Well golly, if we would just build a 1500 with a 3.9ISB, we could rule the market"

But we can dream, eh?

FORD will have the first Diesel on the light duty with theF150. They have a 4 Liter V8 Engine that will be here in a year. Guess what........ I will have one if Cummins and Dodge do not work something out on the V8 Cummins.

Ram is just to big for Dodge to manage along with its van'v suv's and car's ,
so Ram becomes its on brand under Chrysler , CAB.

PS/ Ram its break away from Dodge , not Chrysler

So they're pulling a "GMC" then?

I agree on the subject of future CTD direction. There are SO MANY after market devices out there that can give the super HP and super TQ guys what they want IF they must have more. I think that Dodge and Cummins (and Fiat) should be working on efficiency. Get the MPG numbers up to where someone is going to look at what you offer and say "That will be MORE than adequate for my work needs AND I can save my company money with higher MPG!" The business paradigm is shifting and pinching pennies is the name of the game today.

FORD will have the first Diesel on the light duty with theF150. They have a 4 Liter V8 Engine that will be here in a year. Guess what........ I will have one if Cummins and Dodge do not work something out on the V8 Cummins.

Ford says they don't want to have the first diesel 150/1500 truck. retards.

Wait until the little Mirhanda diesel gets here and people start realizing that they CAN have cake and eat it too. Look what happened with the Sprinter van in the last few years. They are everywhere now. Ford needs to put a little diesel in the Transit too....

Let me summarize: We want a truck the will win the Top Fuel at the track, get 30mpg towing 20k, 500k warranty, best 4x4 stuff, for $25k, fully optioned.
This concludes the dream portion of your program.

Let me summarize: We want a truck the will win the Top Fuel at the track, get 30mpg towing 20k, 500k warranty, best 4x4 stuff, for $25k, fully optioned.
This concludes the dream portion of your program.

Truth be told, if they could produce a rig that would give an honest 15-20 mpg loaded, they'd sell a ZILLION of them. Let's face it, the jobber who's working his rig and trying to make money with it knows how much he can carry and haul. Someone tell me what would make MORE difference to him - being able to haul an extra 1 or 2k pounds, getting up that 6% grade 15 seconds sooner, or trading in a rig that gets 8 mpg for one that doubles (hell even one that increases it 50% to 12) that when working??? Savings in fuel costs ALONE will more than pay for any extra time costs incurred because it took you an extra 15 seconds to get up that grade!

Better balljoints, better switchable reverse lights so I could flip them on when locking the gate or hooking up a trailer, manual locking hubs, manual shifting transfer case.



Tell me about the Fiat Diesels....

From another thread, posted by an owner who works with their truck daily, hauling livestock and such (In case the fellow from Chrysler is still listening!!):

Thanks Banyon and everyone. This is really a nice truck.

Looks I am getting about 16.5 mpg at higher interstate speeds out of the box. Same as my 08' when I picked it up. The 08' was almost pushing 20 at 35K.

I suspect this truck will eventually mellow out in the 18 -20 mpg range.

The 6.7 auto 4x4 has more than enough torque and HP for my needs. I hope they now concentrate on reliability, durability, fuel economy and getting control of their costs.

Like I said........[coffee]

More to back up my post, slow2run, that owners are looking for MORE that just more HP and TQ!

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/cummins-needs-step-up-soon-t255655.html

Ford and GM are going to tout HP and hauling, showing their trucks hauling more bales of hay and pulling a larger livestock trailer or a flatbed of big tubes. What Dodge needs to do is show the Ram HD doing what it does best, WORK and differentiate itself by showing it doing that work and besting the others with class leading FUEL MILEAGE!!!