What effect will "New Fuel" have on an '06 CTD?
03-21-2006, 11:03 AM
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What effect will "New Fuel" have on an '06 CTD?
I'm wondering when the new fuel hits the market in a year or so what effects either positive or negative it will have on the engines designed to run on the current fuel?
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03-21-2006, 01:42 PM
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I work for a major tmp, and we already have several tanks in place with this new fuel in them. I talked with the sales rep that came out and installed them , and he said that it would not affect them in any way. He said that they had come up with something else that would keep the pumps lubed. I would think it would be safe to run given the trucks on the road that have not been changed to the new system. I hope he is right, if not we all are in trouble
03-21-2006, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LanceK
I'm wondering when the new fuel hits the market in a year or so what effects either positive or negative it will have on the engines designed to run on the current fuel?
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel has been mandated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to be phased into production starting in 2006 as a replacement fuel for the currently available EPA low sulfur (500 PPM) diesel. This ULSD fuel is highly refined for cleaner combustion and low emissions by enabling the use of advanced emission treatment systems. ULSD is compatible with all other diesel fuels and additives designed to work in diesel. The fuel will run in any engine designed for the ASTM D-975 diesel fuels.
03-21-2006, 03:13 PM
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Detroit News link to new diesel fuel, story from 03/20/06
They state that fuel prices will raise between 4 and 7 cents, motors will cost more (the article covered more of the commercial market type trucks), and there will be addtional wear and motors may not last as long, but it didn't really state why.
They state that fuel prices will raise between 4 and 7 cents, motors will cost more (the article covered more of the commercial market type trucks), and there will be addtional wear and motors may not last as long, but it didn't really state why.
03-21-2006, 04:14 PM
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Not only will the ultra low sulfer diesel fuel be MORE expensive, you'll also have to add in the cost of Additive for lubricity.
The Govmt. is really screwing up diesel power these days, to keep the greenies happy.
Do you really think that the diesels in China are low emission? Yet China will soon overtake the USA in automotive diesel use.
So, we will make the Earth a better place to live, at high cost, while China will smoke the planet up enjoying cheaper and less sophisticated diesel engines.
The Govmt. is really screwing up diesel power these days, to keep the greenies happy.
Do you really think that the diesels in China are low emission? Yet China will soon overtake the USA in automotive diesel use.
So, we will make the Earth a better place to live, at high cost, while China will smoke the planet up enjoying cheaper and less sophisticated diesel engines.
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03-21-2006, 04:49 PM
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There will be additive added to the ULSD already. How good it will be I don't know.
They are putting in the additive tanks now at the pipeline I haul from. We should be fazing it in the next month or so.
They are putting in the additive tanks now at the pipeline I haul from. We should be fazing it in the next month or so.
03-21-2006, 06:06 PM
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The only good side of this fuel is that it should promote the introduction of European,clean,quiet,diesel technology for the general public. Reading those accounts of the Jeep Grand Cherokees in Germany with bookoo power plus 22-30 mpg. sounds great! Hopefully our fuel taxes will never rise to "Euro" levels.
03-21-2006, 06:22 PM
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I dod not rember the name of the 4X4 book i read at the book store to day. but there was a big write up about the new low ULSD fuel. it said and i did not know this that the high sulfer content. is what the lubercation comes from.allso they said that the old fuel had a 500 ppm sufler content verse a new sufler content of only 4 ppm. they said they are going to add lube to the new fuel. they allso said it will raise the centane level. but we will probly see about 1 percent less MPG. which i think sucks.allso they said if you ran the next years new 6.7 CTD. on the old high sufler fuel that it will killer the converter etc. i can just see DCX useing that as a way to get out of warranty something. 
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03-22-2006, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by roadranger
Not only will the ultra low sulfer diesel fuel be MORE expensive, you'll also have to add in the cost of Additive for lubricity.
The Govmt. is really screwing up diesel power these days, to keep the greenies happy.
Do you really think that the diesels in China are low emission? Yet China will soon overtake the USA in automotive diesel use.
So, we will make the Earth a better place to live, at high cost, while China will smoke the planet up enjoying cheaper and less sophisticated diesel engines.
The Govmt. is really screwing up diesel power these days, to keep the greenies happy.
Do you really think that the diesels in China are low emission? Yet China will soon overtake the USA in automotive diesel use.
So, we will make the Earth a better place to live, at high cost, while China will smoke the planet up enjoying cheaper and less sophisticated diesel engines.
If you have ever been to a country with really bad polution (China, India), you may feel diffrent. It is disgusting to just go outside. And no, I am not a tree hugger.
03-22-2006, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyH
If you have ever been to a country with really bad polution (China, India), you may feel diffrent. It is disgusting to just go outside. And no, I am not a tree hugger.
03-22-2006, 07:22 AM
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good article in Petersen's 4Wheel/offroad. Yes it'll be a bit more expensive, yes it'll be 1% less efficient. Also the cetane level SHOULD be higher AND the lubricity is SUPPOSEDLY going to be much better than what we have now. Pluses and minuses....
03-22-2006, 11:16 PM
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Yes the fuel will work in all of our motors. Lubes & Greases (engineering magazine) said that it will yeild about 1% less power. Also it will work with all engines. however the older engines Pre 93 I believe that used a natural rubber in there o rings, gaskets, ect, said they may notice leaking as the sulphur helped swell up the rings, as the low sulfer and ultra low sulphur won't have this and may leak. That's about it though. They did say it only cost pennies to make (wonder where the big bucks come in). I'll have to get my scanner up so I can show you guys all this stuff. Really some neat articles on oils, fuels and all that most people don't get.
They did one on oils and said that using a SI-1 oil (they stoped making that in like the 90's) that you could go 5,000 miles no problem. Now we have SI-3,4's so they can go up to 20,000 miles with standard dino oil. Sure I like changing mine more to get the soot and all out, but nice to know that you can do that.
They did one on oils and said that using a SI-1 oil (they stoped making that in like the 90's) that you could go 5,000 miles no problem. Now we have SI-3,4's so they can go up to 20,000 miles with standard dino oil. Sure I like changing mine more to get the soot and all out, but nice to know that you can do that.