Edge EZ , Comp and/ or injectors?
03-16-2004, 10:46 PM
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Edge EZ , Comp and/ or injectors?
I recently borrowed a truck from a friend while my 02 is in the shop being repaired from my run-in with bambi. The guy tells me it has one of the Banks systems on it. Bottom line.... it's got more power than mine and I'm lovin' it. For more power I thought of just the EZ, but for a few more$$$ I thought I could go with the comp and just keep it turned down to act like the EZ until I had the will or the $$ to upgrade the tranny. Should I just stay with the boxes or add 275 or stage I or II injectors. Oh yea, I know I'll need gauges! Thanks for any help.
03-18-2004, 09:03 AM
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Bigblue,
What exactly is borrowed time? I've got a comp box on running on 5*5;although, I don't tow at all. My truck has been setup this way for nearly 10k. Shifts are still firm and no shudder from the TC.
BTW my wire has been pireced since day one. Thoughts?
What exactly is borrowed time? I've got a comp box on running on 5*5;although, I don't tow at all. My truck has been setup this way for nearly 10k. Shifts are still firm and no shudder from the TC.
BTW my wire has been pireced since day one. Thoughts?
03-18-2004, 10:31 AM
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I smoked my converter with just a edge ez tow in 10k. The stock converter just slips too much to take advantage of the extra power you gonna make, any ways. I run the comp box and set of 90rwhp injectors. A aftermarket valve body is also a good idea. If you tow at all the tranny upgrades are a must. Also watch your fuel pressure with the comp box as you'll smoke the injection box, if you have no fuel pressure. Been there done that. I have 80K on my stuff and the stuff will break its just a matter of time. Just do the right mods, everything will live.
03-18-2004, 11:47 AM
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Trying to decide between the Comp and EZ for a friend of mine. Maybe you guys can clear some questions up for me.
The EZ adjust timming and duration correct?
The Comp without the pump wire hooked is just like the EZ?
The Comp with the pump wire also boosts the fuel pressure?
The in cab adjust works the same with out with out the pump wire?
His truck has 225,000 on it and I am reluctant to have him hook the pump wire and eat up his injection pump right away and blame me. But he would have the option atleast and the in cab adjust with the Comp.
The EZ adjust timming and duration correct?
The Comp without the pump wire hooked is just like the EZ?
The Comp with the pump wire also boosts the fuel pressure?
The in cab adjust works the same with out with out the pump wire?
His truck has 225,000 on it and I am reluctant to have him hook the pump wire and eat up his injection pump right away and blame me. But he would have the option atleast and the in cab adjust with the Comp.
03-24-2004, 10:49 AM
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well, is nobody going to answer MM?
Can you adjust the comp with wire not pierced?
What are the best injectors to run with EZ if you still want to tow? 275's,DD1, or Mach1?
Can you adjust the comp with wire not pierced?
What are the best injectors to run with EZ if you still want to tow? 275's,DD1, or Mach1?
03-24-2004, 11:01 AM
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What year truck are we talking about?
This is from www.edgeproducts.com website forums.
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There are two types of levels on the Comp Power Levels, and Sub Levels. The Power Level sets the power increase under full boost that the Comp module will add, regardless of Sub Level setting. The Sub Level settings allow for adjustment of low boost fueling eliminating smoke if larger injectors or turbos are added.
Sub levels 1-3 on the Comp will provide defueling below stock. The defueling mode is entered if three conditions are met: rpm and boost are below a set value, and if stock fueling is being increased beyond a set rate. These conditions are different for each sub level 1-3. Once defuel is entered the rate of fueling increase is limited resulting in the defueling to reduce smoke. Defuel mode is exited once stock fuel equals the fueling from the limited increase, this way the transition is smooth and cannot be felt while driving. Defuel mode is entered the easiest in sub level 1 and has the smallest allowable fuel increase, while sub level 3 defuel mode is not entered as easily and has a larger allowable fuel increase.
Sub Levels 4 and 5 (and EZ jumper settings 1-3) allow adjustment of the additional fueling above stock based on boost level. Sub Level 5 (EZ jumper setting 3) will add the most fuel at low boost, Sub Level 4 corresponds to jumper setting 2 on the EZ. The amount of additional fuel to be added is calculated, the amount actually added after being compared to boost from the total is as shown below:
EZ Jumper setting 1 33% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 20 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 2 50% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 15 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 3 67% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 10 psi boost
Fuel may be added at 0 psi boost on all Sub Levels and EZ Jumper settings unless the defuel mode is entered as described above.
Power Level 1 on the Comp is the same as the EZ, on Power Levels 2-5 addition power is added via the wire tap onto the VP44 injection pump. If the pump wire is not attached with a Comp Levels 2-5 can be ran, but the power gain is not any higher than Level 1, the power will come in much earlier in the throttle but overall gain is the same.
This is from www.edgeproducts.com website forums.
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There are two types of levels on the Comp Power Levels, and Sub Levels. The Power Level sets the power increase under full boost that the Comp module will add, regardless of Sub Level setting. The Sub Level settings allow for adjustment of low boost fueling eliminating smoke if larger injectors or turbos are added.
Sub levels 1-3 on the Comp will provide defueling below stock. The defueling mode is entered if three conditions are met: rpm and boost are below a set value, and if stock fueling is being increased beyond a set rate. These conditions are different for each sub level 1-3. Once defuel is entered the rate of fueling increase is limited resulting in the defueling to reduce smoke. Defuel mode is exited once stock fuel equals the fueling from the limited increase, this way the transition is smooth and cannot be felt while driving. Defuel mode is entered the easiest in sub level 1 and has the smallest allowable fuel increase, while sub level 3 defuel mode is not entered as easily and has a larger allowable fuel increase.
Sub Levels 4 and 5 (and EZ jumper settings 1-3) allow adjustment of the additional fueling above stock based on boost level. Sub Level 5 (EZ jumper setting 3) will add the most fuel at low boost, Sub Level 4 corresponds to jumper setting 2 on the EZ. The amount of additional fuel to be added is calculated, the amount actually added after being compared to boost from the total is as shown below:
EZ Jumper setting 1 33% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 20 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 2 50% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 15 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 3 67% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 10 psi boost
Fuel may be added at 0 psi boost on all Sub Levels and EZ Jumper settings unless the defuel mode is entered as described above.
Power Level 1 on the Comp is the same as the EZ, on Power Levels 2-5 addition power is added via the wire tap onto the VP44 injection pump. If the pump wire is not attached with a Comp Levels 2-5 can be ran, but the power gain is not any higher than Level 1, the power will come in much earlier in the throttle but overall gain is the same.
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03-24-2004, 11:08 AM
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Uhh No Not that I have ever been able to do.. And if you have a edge comp with a hx35 with elbow in waste gate and an auto and nail it YOU WILL SMOKE IT if it is stock I dont care what anybody says get it locked around 70 and nail it and watch it go BYE BYE because it just cant handle the power if that was the case and it did not go out than im buying me an SLIPOMATIC... I also know that if you put a edge ez with 275s and an auto with a hx35 it smoke it too just did one in 3 months ago...
03-24-2004, 11:29 AM
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Hey that is all clear as mud, LOL, I will read it again.
The truck is a 1999, 5 speed with stock injectors and turbo. So buy the way I read that shouldn't have to mess with the sub levels with stock injectors and turbo.
What are the thoughts on running the pump wire on a truck that has 225,000 miles on it, it is going to kill the pump?
The truck is a 1999, 5 speed with stock injectors and turbo. So buy the way I read that shouldn't have to mess with the sub levels with stock injectors and turbo.
What are the thoughts on running the pump wire on a truck that has 225,000 miles on it, it is going to kill the pump?
Originally posted by Shovelhead
What year truck are we talking about?
This is from www.edgeproducts.com website forums.
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There are two types of levels on the Comp Power Levels, and Sub Levels. The Power Level sets the power increase under full boost that the Comp module will add, regardless of Sub Level setting. The Sub Level settings allow for adjustment of low boost fueling eliminating smoke if larger injectors or turbos are added.
Sub levels 1-3 on the Comp will provide defueling below stock. The defueling mode is entered if three conditions are met: rpm and boost are below a set value, and if stock fueling is being increased beyond a set rate. These conditions are different for each sub level 1-3. Once defuel is entered the rate of fueling increase is limited resulting in the defueling to reduce smoke. Defuel mode is exited once stock fuel equals the fueling from the limited increase, this way the transition is smooth and cannot be felt while driving. Defuel mode is entered the easiest in sub level 1 and has the smallest allowable fuel increase, while sub level 3 defuel mode is not entered as easily and has a larger allowable fuel increase.
Sub Levels 4 and 5 (and EZ jumper settings 1-3) allow adjustment of the additional fueling above stock based on boost level. Sub Level 5 (EZ jumper setting 3) will add the most fuel at low boost, Sub Level 4 corresponds to jumper setting 2 on the EZ. The amount of additional fuel to be added is calculated, the amount actually added after being compared to boost from the total is as shown below:
EZ Jumper setting 1 33% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 20 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 2 50% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 15 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 3 67% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 10 psi boost
Fuel may be added at 0 psi boost on all Sub Levels and EZ Jumper settings unless the defuel mode is entered as described above.
Power Level 1 on the Comp is the same as the EZ, on Power Levels 2-5 addition power is added via the wire tap onto the VP44 injection pump. If the pump wire is not attached with a Comp Levels 2-5 can be ran, but the power gain is not any higher than Level 1, the power will come in much earlier in the throttle but overall gain is the same.
What year truck are we talking about?
This is from www.edgeproducts.com website forums.
************************************************
There are two types of levels on the Comp Power Levels, and Sub Levels. The Power Level sets the power increase under full boost that the Comp module will add, regardless of Sub Level setting. The Sub Level settings allow for adjustment of low boost fueling eliminating smoke if larger injectors or turbos are added.
Sub levels 1-3 on the Comp will provide defueling below stock. The defueling mode is entered if three conditions are met: rpm and boost are below a set value, and if stock fueling is being increased beyond a set rate. These conditions are different for each sub level 1-3. Once defuel is entered the rate of fueling increase is limited resulting in the defueling to reduce smoke. Defuel mode is exited once stock fuel equals the fueling from the limited increase, this way the transition is smooth and cannot be felt while driving. Defuel mode is entered the easiest in sub level 1 and has the smallest allowable fuel increase, while sub level 3 defuel mode is not entered as easily and has a larger allowable fuel increase.
Sub Levels 4 and 5 (and EZ jumper settings 1-3) allow adjustment of the additional fueling above stock based on boost level. Sub Level 5 (EZ jumper setting 3) will add the most fuel at low boost, Sub Level 4 corresponds to jumper setting 2 on the EZ. The amount of additional fuel to be added is calculated, the amount actually added after being compared to boost from the total is as shown below:
EZ Jumper setting 1 33% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 20 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 2 50% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 15 psi boost
EZ Jumper setting 3 67% is added at 0 psi boost
100% is added at 10 psi boost
Fuel may be added at 0 psi boost on all Sub Levels and EZ Jumper settings unless the defuel mode is entered as described above.
Power Level 1 on the Comp is the same as the EZ, on Power Levels 2-5 addition power is added via the wire tap onto the VP44 injection pump. If the pump wire is not attached with a Comp Levels 2-5 can be ran, but the power gain is not any higher than Level 1, the power will come in much earlier in the throttle but overall gain is the same.
03-27-2004, 04:22 PM
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The only thing that gonna kill your injection pump is no fuel pressure. The injection pump uses the fuel as a coolant and a lubricant. The edge comp box is hard on the stock lift pump. This doesn't help but starve your injection pump. If you add an additional pusher pump or better fuel system, chances are you wont have any issues with you injection pump. The injection pumps usually die cause of lack of lube, so if you have a good injection pump and good lift pump, you should be ok. Get a fuel pressure gauge. If you run max power setting, chances are you'll need a pressure gauge. Its good measuring device for predictive maintenance for the your fuel system.
03-28-2004, 08:28 AM
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If you tap the wire on an early truck be prepared to buy a VP-44. The early trucks have a much greater chance of failing the pump. You'll know on the first 5x5 pull, stay close to home.
03-29-2004, 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Mopar_Mudder
Trying to decide between the Comp and EZ for a friend of mine. Maybe you guys can clear some questions up for me.
The EZ adjust timming and duration correct?
The Comp without the pump wire hooked is just like the EZ?
The Comp with the pump wire also boosts the fuel pressure?
The in cab adjust works the same with out with out the pump wire?
His truck has 225,000 on it and I am reluctant to have him hook the pump wire and eat up his injection pump right away and blame me. But he would have the option atleast and the in cab adjust with the Comp.
Trying to decide between the Comp and EZ for a friend of mine. Maybe you guys can clear some questions up for me.
The EZ adjust timming and duration correct?
The Comp without the pump wire hooked is just like the EZ?
The Comp with the pump wire also boosts the fuel pressure?
The in cab adjust works the same with out with out the pump wire?
His truck has 225,000 on it and I am reluctant to have him hook the pump wire and eat up his injection pump right away and blame me. But he would have the option atleast and the in cab adjust with the Comp.
The EZ for the loud trucks advances timing, but can't extend pulse width. Only tapping the wire will do that-- and it's not really extended the pulse-- it's actually adding a second injection pulse.
The comp w/ no wire WILL act just like an EZ. You'll have adjustability, but only within the lowest power level. Power levels 2-5 won't be any more powerful than level 1-- just maybe more aggressive.
None of these boxes will boost the fuel pressure to the injectors. They WILL lower the fuel pressure TO the pump, because it is moving more fuel.
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03-29-2004, 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by DRD
If you tap the wire on an early truck be prepared to buy a VP-44. The early trucks have a much greater chance of failing the pump. You'll know on the first 5x5 pull, stay close to home.
If you tap the wire on an early truck be prepared to buy a VP-44. The early trucks have a much greater chance of failing the pump. You'll know on the first 5x5 pull, stay close to home.
Sounds like I am better off just telling him not to do the pump wire so that he can't blame me when he needs a $1400 injection pump.
03-29-2004, 04:13 PM
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The EZ for the loud trucks advances timing, but can't extend pulse width.
The EZ for the loud trucks advances timing, but can't extend pulse width.
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