I don’t know if this has been discussed here before but I thought I would post it to make people aware. Don’t let the state know if you home brew, lol [nonono]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/599471.html

Yeah, it won't be long before other states enact such legislation. Imagine if 1/4 of all users were to abandon putting money in the State and Federal fuel tax coffers.............

Ah, yeah, but I don't see anywhere even close to 25% of people using non-taxed alternatives. More like less than 1%.

They should leave this guy alone.

Ok, let's think about this logically: The state is saying that he violated the law buy not paying fuel taxes on something that he re-manufactured. It's not a case of red-dye dipping, but a case of "I'm the law and what I say goes". Does this mean that only vehicles that paid fuel taxes can use the highways? Is there a non-tax road he can drive on? Of course, it's silly, but you can see how this could snow-ball. Ok, make that 5% of all users. If 5% didn't pay any taxes on their re-manufactured fuels, would the State of SC come to a screeching halt and money from the Feds would fail to cross their doorstep? I think not.

I'm not sure what has your speculation of how many people don't just go to the pump so high, but whatever.

I personally don't know one single person that processes fuel or uses SVO (not that I haven't heard or read about it). On the other hand I know several thousand that just drive up to the fuel pumps..........

For this one little guy they are trying to make an example of there are 5,000 crooked politicians in that State who are raping the govt. for far more than he could ever imagine by not paying fuel tax.

Does that make it okay?

Yes, in my eyes it does.

I'm not sure what has your speculation of how many people don't just go to the pump so high, but whatever.

I personally don't know one single person that processes fuel or uses SVO (not that I haven't heard or read about it). On the other hand I know several thousand that just drive up to the fuel pumps..........

For this one little guy they are trying to make an example of there are 5,000 crooked politicians in that State who are raping the govt. for far more than he could ever imagine by not paying fuel tax.

Does that make it okay?

Yes, in my eyes it does.
Yup, [laugh] Now remember ( A tax is a fine for doing good and a fine is a tax for doing bad. ):( [dummy]

This is the part that kills me
"State Sen. Stan Bingham, R-Denton, is known around Raleigh for his diesel Volkswagen fueled by used soybean oil. The car sports a "Goodbye, OPEC" sign"
they dont touch a senator, but go after an individual who is NOT a public figure. Nice touch.

This is the part that kills me
"State Sen. Stan Bingham, R-Denton, is known around Raleigh for his diesel Volkswagen fueled by used soybean oil. The car sports a "Goodbye, OPEC" sign"
they dont touch a senator, but go after an individual who is NOT a public figure. Nice touch.

Whoa there, we don't know if the Senator is illegal or not. More than likely he applied for the paperwork and is paying road use taxes.

It would have been good journalism to specify though......

I've asked this question before but what happens if you refuse to allow the cops to dip your tank? This is a search and as such the state needs a search warrant or permission from the driver.

The only possible way around this would be a requirement that you "agree" to the dipping as part of the "privilege" of driving on state roads. This is like your "agreement" to submit to a breathalyzer or blood test.

In actuality you are not required to give up your 5th or 4th amendment rights but they can revoke your drivers license. In the case of the fuel dip refusal could they take your tags?

Does anyone know what the laws say on this?

Edwin

I've asked this question before but what happens if you refuse to allow the cops to dip your tank? This is a search and as such the state needs a search warrant or permission from the driver.

The only possible way around this would be a requirement that you "agree" to the dipping as part of the "privilege" of driving on state roads. This is like your "agreement" to submit to a breathalyzer or blood test.

In actuality you are not required to give up your 5th or 4th amendment rights but they can revoke your drivers license. In the case of the fuel dip refusal could they take your tags?

Does anyone know what the laws say on this?

EdwinYou pretty much hit it spot on. It's just like a breathalyzer/blood test for DUI.

When biofuels become more widespread they'll come up with more inventive ways to tax them. They already tax them at the pump but they'll need to find an easier way to tax biofuel use for those who acquire their fuel in unconventional ways.

Either that or they'll raise the fees for tags to an astronomical level which doesn't seem likely since it would be vastly unfair to people who drive less and there would be widespread non-compliance.

As with any tax, non-compliance is a big issue. Taxing authorities must find a way to apply the tax so it's easy and unintrusive to the average tax victim. This is why payroll deductions are used for income tax rather than having everyone pay in one lump sum at the end of the year.

How to apply a tax to fuel you grow and make in your garage will be a problem for the state which is why they have such stiff fines to discourage it's use. Sorry if this is too political.

Edwin

What would happen if you run bio from the pump?? Do you need to keep your fuel reciepts with you, also if I have a water/meth system with an 8 gal.tank full of mixture would I have a problem as long as I have proof I paid the state sales tax??

he's not part of the mason group so he gets attacked. strange world we live in, people speak alot of change and to better the world, but when people act on it on there own it's a problem. I know the law is the law, but u can't make it this hard for people to change there fuel consumption ways..

Seems to me if they're going to bust folks running bio that they should also bust those with hybrid or electric vehicles since they also aren't paying their fair share of road taxes.

lol good point ^ but I guess the high price of a hybrid car probably gives a percentage to the fuel tax's

why couldnt you just say its part of the 400 gallons you can brew that are tax free? thatd be hard to prove wrong

Seems to me if they're going to bust folks running bio that they should also bust those with hybrid or electric vehicles since they also aren't paying their fair share of road taxes.

The fuel tax isn't completely fair but is close to it. Cars which consume less fuels are generally lighter and cause less road wear. Heavy trucks cause more but consume more fuel. Commercial trucks also pay other fees and taxes.

Hybrid vehicles fall into the economy class since they get ALL of their energy from gasoline/diesel. (Are there any diesel hybrids?) Only completely electric vehicles would theoretically pay no fuel tax.

I wonder if there is an exemption for electrics?

What about a steam powered, wood/coal burning vehicle?

Just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks.

Edwin

lol good point ^ but I guess the high price of a hybrid car probably gives a percentage to the fuel tax's

Not when you get a tax deduction when you buy it.

IL is supposedly making a law that state that if I were to make less than 6000 or 10,000 gallons a year, no taxes or liscensing.

Here in N MS we used to have a soybean oil plant, it was closed when it was bought by a large oil company.
Was producing 3500/gal /24 hr, sold to truckers and farmers, $ 1.35/ gal when pump diesel was $ 2.25/ gal

Here in N MS we used to have a soybean oil plant, it was closed when it was bought by a large oil company.
Was producing 3500/gal /24 hr, sold to truckers and farmers, $ 1.35/ gal when pump diesel was $ 2.25/ gal

Imagine that..Big oil did their math and realized how much $$ they were losing.
3500 gal. at .90 difference probably paid off the purchase amount of the plant pretty quick.

I think is unfair for someone who took their time to collect whatever fluids and materials they are using to produce the alternative fuel to be fined or required to get a license. There are a lot of unfair laws that seem to be aimed at taking your hard earned dollars out of your pocket.

What next.....Make it illlegal for brewing bio at home.Could see them making it like owning a still..

i just saw this... the man just cant get enough of our money...

I think is unfair for someone who took their time to collect whatever fluids and materials they are using to produce the alternative fuel to be fined or required to get a license. There are a lot of unfair laws that seem to be aimed at taking your hard earned dollars out of your pocket.


Its the Neo-American way.
"If they can't sell it to you, you can't ******* have it."[nonono]

I can go on and on but I understand that this isnt a "political" website so Ill just save it for another time and place.

I dunno if it would work but i the whole thing back in the day as only putting enough as an additive. Then they cant do anythign. One thing i think they should change is how tax is applied. You got a van or car getting 30 mpg paying 29 cents per gallong and a less fuel efficent automotive that gets say 12. The other car is paying a lot more tax. Should be per mile or something

It was not the bio that was in the tank that got him in trouble. It was the bumper sticker.
-P

Can't win either way it seems. Screaming cause oil is going up, but when ya try to do something about it you get hit in another way. I haven't heard too much in this area, but had heard that one guy had gotten a ticket for having biodiesel in his truck. Not sure if he got a ticket or not though, and if so how much it was.

Im voting for the man in my .sig [guitar]

Seriously though, anyone making bio or veggie oil conversions should think about the possibility of govt passing some BS laws and making it illegal or expensive. It could happen! These guys have done plenty other things to stab joe average american in the back. I stowed my aux tanks under the bed for this reason. Dont advertise this stuff is what Id say. Eventually the boneheads we elected will realize fuels like bio are the only way to go. Ill continue to do everything I can to avoid buying products from the middle east.

moral of the story...don't run around loud mouthed bragging that you're making your own fuel...keep it to yourself...this is in the same category as running around town bragging that you're straight-piped and have had no problems with it...just keep your mouth shut:cool:

Im voting for the man in my .sig [guitar]

Seriously though, anyone making bio or veggie oil conversions should think about the possibility of govt passing some BS laws and making it illegal or expensive. It could happen! These guys have done plenty other things to stab joe average american in the back. I stowed my aux tanks under the bed for this reason. Dont advertise this stuff is what Id say. Eventually the boneheads we elected will realize fuels like bio are the only way to go. Ill continue to do everything I can to avoid buying products from the middle east.

Im right there with ya. Im wishing a biodiesel pump would open up in my area. One of the reasons I run and sell(not advertising, just making a point) AmsOil is because it is AMERICAN made 100% Synthetic. I refuse to use anything middle-eastern, petrolium based on my truck. Biodiesel is the very last step in my transition.
My thinking is this...why send them and their companys all of the money when we can put it right back into our own economy and country?