I am new to this forum and I am looking for some advice on the new Dodge 3500 and the new Ford F350.<br><br>First, let me say that I have owned pick up trucks going back to 1981, four in all (I tend to keep them for a long time when I buy them). Three have been Fords and one (my current truck) Dodge. My current setup is a regular cab Dodge 2500 4x4 with the Cummins diesel, automatic tranny and 4.10 rear. It has been a pretty good truck. I bought it new in 1994 ( the first year of that body style) and have been reasonably satisfied. Up until that time I owned all Fords but at the time I choose a Dodge because of the styling and the CTD.<br><br>Anyhow, it is now getting to the point were I will soon be in the market for a new pickup truck again. I would like to move up to a one ton dually 4x4. My family situation has changed and I would like to buy a quad/crew cab and will definitely stay diesel. I am currently comparing the new Dodge 3500 with the new Ford F350. Last weekend I went and drove a Ford PSD for the first time. It was an 03' F350 with the 7.3 liter motor, crew cab 4x4, XLT package . It was pretty darn nice. I could have bought the truck then and there and been satisfied but I do want to test drive a Dodge and a Ford with the 6.0 liter motor before I make a final decision. My questions to you guys who have owned Dodge/Ford dually's for a while are these:<br><br>- Dodge (Cummins) and Ford (Navistar) are both coming out with new engines, who do you honestly think will be more prepared to build a high quality, reliable engine with little or no bugs for the 2003 model year?<br>- What about this new Navistar 6.0 liter engine versus the 7.3 liter? <br>- What about this new Ford automatic transmission? I understand that with Dodge the HO CTD is not initially available with an auto.<br>- How does the CTD pull versus the PSD (automatic transmissions in both cases)? I have a farm operation and will use the truck to pull grain wagons (up to 15,000#), haul seed (up to 5000#) and perhaps set it up to pull a flatbed gooseneck trailer hauling a medium size farm tractor and a backhoe (11,000# to 14,000#) locally.<br>- Anyone know why Dodge still doesn't have a crew cab? I think the trade in value will be higher on a true crew cab versus the quad cab.<br>- How hard is it and what does it cost to set up a dually to pull a gooseneck trailer? What about a 5er?<br><br>If anyone wants to take a shot and give me a response I would sure appreciate it.<br><br>Thanks<br>

setting up a truck to pull a goosneck is around 500 bucks. that includes hitch,ball, and brake controller. if you pay to get it done.

pulling with an automatic? my opinion is [yuk]
i like a manual.

i know nothing of the new engines as i have only driven the 12v cummins, and the 7.3 idi, and powerstroke. all good engines when combined with a manual tranny.

these engines combined with an auto tranny and a 30' gooseneck loaded down with cows = [yuk]

dodge stock auto trannys = [yuk]
they need ATS treatment to make them good.

12v Cummins &amp; Allison 5 speed = :D hey! a boy can dream!


i would have bought the Ford if i where you. you just cant beat that crew cab.

The ctd is cheaper and easier to work on. Pulling a lot of trailers you will really want a std trans on either model. The 03 dodge crewcab seems to have alittle less room inside at the back than the ford. The gooseneck set up isn't any more or harder than a 2500. I haul anywhere from 10k to 28k on my trailer and I have been real happy with my ctd compared to the psd and usaully get a lot better mileage than the psd loaded.

Both trucks are great... but for what it's worth I feel the ford is better quality when it comes to interior, design and build... but the Cummins is a lot, I mean a lot, easier to work on, and cheaper.

Ford = Great truck - Okay Engine

Dodge = Okay truck - Great engine

For a side by side it is real hard, the new fords are not out yet as well as the New Auto HD auto (Dodge) everyone is talking about. You will need to wait at least till next year (03).<br><br>KC

i'm excited to test drive the 6.0 litre myself as my dad wants to see what they can do (trying to get him back into diesel).<br><br>http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2003/ford/superduty/first_drive/page1.html<br><br>read that, it's somewhat bias, but it's not too bad. the 5 speed auto seems to be much better over the allison for shifting purposes and the such. they didn't put the HO cummins against the other trucks so that was unfair (and is noted- looks like DC didn't send them a truck).<br><br>http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2003/dodge/ram/first_drive_hd1.html

happy birthday Superduty12v. Gonna go have a legal beer tonight?

Both trucks are great... but for what it's worth I feel the ford is better quality when it comes to interior, design and build... but the Cummins is a lot, I mean a lot, easier to work on, and cheaper.

Ford = Great truck - Okay Engine

Dodge = Okay truck - Great engine



as of the current dodge's and ford's out there, i feel the same exact way! i wish that i could have gotten a Ford with a Cummins. i used to be just a one-brand(er) when i was younger, but now i can accpet that blue oval--especially after driving a couple powerstrokes.

Having driven both an 03 Dodge 3500 (mine) and a variety of SuperDuties (not the 6.0 L though), I've found that the new 03 Dodge is much more refined on the handling side. If you can use nimble to describe an 8000 lb truck, then the Dodge deserves it. Turning radius is better than the Ford. Steering quickness is much better due to Dodge using a quick ratio box on the new heavys. The Ford will ride a little better, but since I like a firm ride, I still give the thumbs up to the Dodge.<br><br>If reference to the Cummins vs the new Common Rail 6.0L, I'm willing to wager good money that the Cummins will still outpull it. An in-line 6 can give up some cubes and some HP, and still outpull an 8 due to sheer lugging ability. The new Cummins also has _much_ more torque down low than the 7.3 (or I suspect the 6.0). My stock 01 24 valve would outpull any stock 7.3L and the Common Rail Cummins is way stronger than my 01 HO.<br><br>The Common Rail Cummins is more likely to be bug free as they've been in use for the past 3 years (its not a new engine or concept). Add this to the Cummins reputation for high quality, well engineered products, and I don't think the Navistar has a chance. Another thing to keep in mind is that the Navistar is still a light duty diesel, while the Cummins is a medium duty.<br><br>Rod

sheep man 8) - seems right. i'm sorta sure the new 6.0 litre will beat the cummins on racing (all stock), but that lugging ability wont be there. anyways, how's the overall feel of the truck? does it feel somewhat boxy (like the seats) or overfuturistic? does the different angled windsheild and big hood make vision worse over a 2nd gen?

I don't care if the new ford is stronger, faster, or quicker. It's still a FORD. Had a bad experience with em. Although the current experience I'm having with my dealership ain't that great.

<br>sheep man 8) - seems right. i'm sorta sure the new 6.0 litre will beat the cummins on racing (all stock), but that lugging ability wont be there. anyways, how's the overall feel of the truck? does it feel somewhat boxy (like the seats) or overfuturistic? does the different angled windsheild and big hood make vision worse over a 2nd gen?<br><br><br>Yeah I would think the 6.0L will be a quicker truck out of the box, but if Ford remains true to their current philosophy, its also going to be much tougher to turn up the wick on.<br><br>The new truck feels solid. Tight. Everything seems to scream 'well engineered' although I haven't had a chance to really dig into the truck. I'm still wearing the 'new truck grin' so my objectivity will be low. The seats are very hard right now, but my 01 was the same until they 'broke in'. The interior actually reminds me of a 60's Dodge truck. Lots of dash space, all flat, with nothing in it. There are a load of pockets everywhere, but none of them particularly useful for anything.<br><br>The sloped hood actually makes vision better than the 01. I'm not necessarily sure if you have more viewing area, but there isn't as much hood to look at, so it definitely presents the view of a panarama. The A-pillars, while still not as narrow as other trucks, are a little smaller than the 2nd gens. The B-pillar on a Reg. Cab is massive though. Makes it really tough to do a shoulder check on the left.<br><br>Rod

Thanks, palo. By the time I got done working on my truck last night I barely made it for last call and squeezed a couple of beers and shots in. Didn't get toasted but I did get hot over that bartender :)

8) The Dodges all get better mpg than the Fords also ..Let's see if that holds true with the new quieter 03's :D

have you guys heard the 03's diesel straight piped. They don't sound very good. The sound kinda like a rice burner. <br>just me 2 cents

I went by the dealer this weekend (DODGE). He had a new crew cab with the HO six speed. In my opinion I would stay away from any auto PEROID [yuk]. I currently have one and am planning on spending some serious money to make it reliable with the awesome hp with the diesel. I have a friend with a FORD dealership. He had a man wanting a PSD with an auto. The tranny expert told him hands down if you plan on pulling any loads of any weight and have to back them up much the auto tranny WILL NOT HOLD UP. <br>My vote hands down and Ive researched as much as anyone New Dodge with the six speed. Ford is known for its first year screw ups<br>

I haven't even heard one run muchless run straight. I'm not so sure I'd like a nopi sounding truck... actually I know I wouldn't. [yuk]

i finally saw 2 crew cab duallies in a dealership. the one we checked out had the auto. it surprised me, it was a lot taller and nicer than in the pictures i had seen. it's still too quiet though.

I hope mid year Dodge is going to replace its Auto with a new one that will handle the H.O. engine!<br><br>KC

ROCKNRAM:<br><br>Sorry to hear you are not happy with your auto!<br><br>There are many members that share your opinion,<br>but I believe that with the new transmissions from<br>ATS, DTT, Pro-Loc and a few others that most of<br>the &quot;problems&quot; with the &quot;stock&quot; Dodge 47RE trannys<br>can be very successfully solved! My &quot;stock&quot; Dodge<br>transmission lasted until 98,000 miles with only a<br>&quot;Trans-Go&quot; Shift Kit with many hard towing miles<br>on it. I recently installed the ATS Stage IV and<br>can tell you that it definitely performs very well!<br><br>Ford will be installing a new 5-speed automatic<br>transmission in their 2004 Ford PSD with the new<br>6.0 diesel engine. This transmission functions<br>very similar to the Allison transmission found<br>in the Chevy Duramax. A recent &quot;road test/<br>shootout&quot; was done on the www.pickuptruck.com<br>website between the new Ford PSD, Dodge CTD<br>and Chevy Duramax. I am not a Ford fan, but<br>the results showed the Ford to be a contender.<br><br>--------<br>John_P<br><br>

True... but who wants to pay $44,500.00 for a new Ram just to go pay some transmission shop another $5,000 to put in a tranny that should have came in the truck in the first place? Not I, said the sheep.

<br>True... but who wants to pay $44,500.00 for a new Ram just to go pay some transmission shop another $5,000 to put in a tranny that should have came in the truck in the first place? Not I, said the sheep.<br><br><br>The new ford is early next year, Dodge may also have a new trans for early next year as well.<br>We will have to wait and see.<br><br>KC

I saw the new 2003 Dodge Heavy Duty at the local dealership this weekend. First one I had seen up close in our area. My suspicions from pics I have seen were right, Dodge does not make a crew cab. The 4 door model is a quad cab which is really an extended cab. The rear doors and seating area in the quad cab are much smaller than that offered in the Ford Crew Cab or the GM trucks for that matter. Why can't Dodge make a crew cab? Instead they offer this half baked cab and a half truck. :( I am not sure about the styling change either. Maybe it grows on you but so far I don't care for it. <br><br>I also understand that a new automatic transmission that will mate to the HO diesel is due out sometime next year. Anyone know when? I understand it is to be a 4 speed, is that correct? If so, what's up with that? Their competitors are offering 5 speed autos.<br><br>I really like the CTD and am quit impressed by the new HO's numbers, but I am having serious doubts about the truck wrapped around it.

jsc01 -- The new 6.0L Power Stroke mated with the TorqShift 5-speed automatic looks like it will be a powerful combination. 8) :) All the reviews that I have read have been really positive. I think Ford actually designed a transmission specifically for the diesel application this time around. 8) :)<br><br>Another thing to consider though is that both engines (Power Stroke &amp; Cummins) will be new in their respective trucks for the 2003 model year.<br><br>The 6.0L Power Stroke has seen service for quite a while as the International VT 365 in International 4200 Medium Duty Trucks and 3800 Commericial Buses. Here's a link to the International web page on the VT 365. 8)<br><br>International Engines - VT 365 (http://www.navistar.com/site_layout/engine/vt365detail.asp)<br><br>Cheers from Tulsa, OK! :)<br>Dave

Personly I think that the crew cab look (4 full doors) is just plain UGLY [yuk] . Just my opinion though ;D

We presently own a 97 2500 and a 2001.5 3500 and are very satisfied overall with the vehicles. The reason we purchased the 2001.5 was that we saw the appearance of the 1500 3rd generation in the TDR and just laughed. Once we regained our composure, we figured we’d make the purchase and avoid the risk that the 3500 would look the same. The quandary we have now is that we would like a true 4-door dully to replace my beloved 97, and the Ford is the only chasse that we have found that we like. Actually, we came very close to purchasing the Ford instead of our 3500, but the wife wanted the Dodge and I wasn’t going to argue with her logic. The question now is: do we wait for Dodge to get their act together on the 4 gen truck or take the risk of becoming Ford owners again? The Powerstoke may get a lot of flack from Cummins owners, but is it really justified? Are the Powerstoke’s that inferior to the Cummins? Personally, what we’ll give up in the power train will be easily made up in the chasse. What do all of you think?<br><br>

The Ford is definately a much much better Body/Chassis. Much better. The 7.3 liter has been around for over 18 years I believe it's been. I consider that &quot;Tried and True&quot;. The only reason I own a Dodge is because of the Cummins. The only reason I own a Cummins is because it has 7 main bearings and 6 rods; Opposed to 5 main bearings and 8 rods. My logic for owning a Cummins is that simple... as dumb as it may be...plus being a simple setup. Other than that the PSD is a good engine for a V8. The best V8 diesel prolly. Not to mention the Sterling 11.25&quot; rear axle that a Superduty has that makes our Dodges Dana 80 look like a Dana 44. And like I said, definately the best Chassis. I had a `99 F-350. I've never driven anything nicer than it. Never.

I work for International. And my opinion so far about the 6.0 is it is a great engine.This engine is the only engine to offer a variable turbo. All this does is the vanes in the turbo are adjustable to load. It acts like a small turbo when accelerating so the turbo can spool up faster eliminating turbo lag and when it gets up to speed the turbo acts like a big turbo moving a larger volume of air. The 6.0's injection system is superior to the cummins. As logic would say the cummins should have less bugs in it because in fact it is basically the same engine it was a few years back but better. Where as the 6.0 is not just a redesigned 7.3. The 6.0 is designed around EGR technology. It is a cleaner,more powerful,and quieter(good or bad depending on preference) than the cummins diesel. As far as the truck itself goes Ford makes a good crew cab. I drive a 2000 F-250 currently.I am looking to buy a 98 Dodge 3500 dually,reason being I love the way they look. To me they look like the over the road counterparts that I love. A Dodge would save you in the wallet and you get a great truck. It all depends if the new 6.0 is worth the extra money to you. Test drive them both as many times as you need to before investing in eithere of these. Either way you will be left a happy man. Good luck on finding the right truck!!

<br>I work for International. And my opinion so far about the 6.0 is it is a great engine.This engine is the only engine to offer a variable turbo. All this does is the vanes in the turbo are adjustable to load. It acts like a small turbo when accelerating so the turbo can spool up faster eliminating turbo lag and when it gets up to speed the turbo acts like a big turbo moving a larger volume of air. The 6.0's injection system is superior to the cummins. As logic would say the cummins should have less bugs in it because in fact it is basically the same engine it was a few years back but better. Where as the 6.0 is not just a redesigned 7.3. The 6.0 is designed around EGR technology. It is a cleaner,more powerful,and quieter(good or bad depending on preference) than the cummins diesel. As far as the truck itself goes Ford makes a good crew cab. I drive a 2000 F-250 currently.I am looking to buy a 98 Dodge 3500 dually,reason being I love the way they look. To me they look like the over the road counterparts that I love. A Dodge would save you in the wallet and you get a great truck. It all depends if the new 6.0 is worth the extra money to you. Test drive them both as many times as you need to before investing in eithere of these. Either way you will be left a happy man. Good luck on finding the right truck!!<br><br><br>Diesel Tech I have a question if you know (I am just looking for the answer) With the new PSD and its increase in horses and torque why does it have the lowerest towing rating?<br><br>KC<br><br>

<br>1) This engine is the only engine to offer a variable turbo.<br><br>2) The 6.0's injection system is superior to the cummins. As <br><br>3) It is a cleaner,more powerful,and quieter(good or bad depending on preference) than the cummins diesel.<br><br><br>First, I want to make sure that I don't come across as hacking on the Ford (I like the SuperDuty line. I think they look great, and they are undeniably tough trucks) or to start a brand war, but I do have a couple comments to make:<br><br>1) Currently, yes. But Cummins has stated that they will be adding the VGT to the 5.9 in the Dodge, as they are already doing in the medium duty trucks up here in Canuckville. This is a good and bad scenario: Great concept but the VGT Holsets are not holding up well.<br><br>2) How is the injection system superior? This is for knowledge sake, not hacking ;D The Bosch system is very simple with its two stage pump and the injectors themselves are also very simple. Simple is good ;D I do know that the Bosch system despises having the injection pressures raised much above the 23,000 PSI level.<br><br>3) This is debatable. Right now, the Ford trucks with the 6L are not performing to advertised figures on load test dynos. There have been at least three shows in the past two months where the stock Dodge HO's have outperformed the Fords. And I realize that dynos aren't everything, but I've outpulled at least one 6L thus far with my HO up the river hill, and I had a heavier load on.<br><br>Rod

My .02 cents worth. Even though I have had two Dodges, if I had to do it over again I would have purchased a Ford. Why? After I bought the 2002 Dodge, I towed with it a few times and it didn't seem right. I took it back to the dealer and said I didn't feel the truck was making power. They popped the hood, looked around and said everything was fine and told me to basically be on my way. So, I preceeded to tell them what I think, saw the manager and told him what I thought. Then i went to another dealer and told them the same scenario. They told me to take it back where I purchased it and have them look at it. After I told them what happened at the other dealer, he said it sounded like nothing was wrong. Note: the original dealer/mechanic did not hook up any diagnostic equipment, JUST popped the hood, looked at the engine for about 5 seconds and said everything was fine. So, I went next door to the Ford place getting ready to trade in the truck (****** off) and the salesman got one of there mechanics to come out and talk to me. One hour later, he found some type of connection was loose and fixed it at no charge. Truck runs like a million bucks ever since. Remember, this was a Ford mechanic at a Ford dealership working on a Dodge with about 800 miles on it. So, as you can tell the next truck will be a Ford...I don't care if it breaks down all the time or not... Then there's the problems with the fuel pumps (I'm on my second one already with only 15,000 mile and yes, I paid out of my pocket to get a new one since I bombed my truck just two days earlier), the automatic trannies are a POS (I had one on my 1997 Dodge). But the engine (Cummins) is AWESOME... Now if there was a F350 with a Cummins engine and an Allison auto tranny...I would have it in a heartbeat.<br><br>Again...this is my opinion and my opinion only. I am not a person that thinks any of the big three automakers are superior to one another...

<br>My .02 cents worth. Even though I have had two Dodges, if I had to do it over again I would have purchased a Ford. Why? After I bought the 2002 Dodge, I towed with it a few times and it didn't seem right. I took it back to the dealer and said I didn't feel the truck was making power. They popped the hood, looked around and said everything was fine and told me to basically be on my way. So, I preceeded to tell them what I think, saw the manager and told him what I thought. Then i went to another dealer and told them the same scenario. They told me to take it back where I purchased it and have them look at it. After I told them what happened at the other dealer, he said it sounded like nothing was wrong. Note: the original dealer/mechanic did not hook up any diagnostic equipment, JUST popped the hood, looked at the engine for about 5 seconds and said everything was fine. So, I went next door to the Ford place getting ready to trade in the truck (****** off) and the salesman got one of there mechanics to come out and talk to me. One hour later, he found some type of connection was loose and fixed it at no charge. Truck runs like a million bucks ever since. Remember, this was a Ford mechanic at a Ford dealership working on a Dodge with about 800 miles on it. So, as you can tell the next truck will be a Ford...I don't care if it breaks down all the time or not... Then there's the problems with the fuel pumps (I'm on my second one already with only 15,000 mile and yes, I paid out of my pocket to get a new one since I bombed my truck just two days earlier), the automatic trannies are a POS (I had one on my 1997 Dodge). But the engine (Cummins) is AWESOME... Now if there was a F350 with a Cummins engine and an Allison auto tranny...I would have it in a heartbeat.<br><br>Again...this is my opinion and my opinion only. I am not a person that thinks any of the big three automakers are superior to one another...<br><br><br>There are lots of dealers that are like that, I had a dealer porter that layed a patch of rubber with my truck when it was going in for some warrenty work, I was so mad! Some Dealers try some don't! I would contact Dodge and let them know about your dealer!<br><br>KC

j28s:<br><br>It's really too bad that you have a lazy/apathetic dealer. If you can't get the quality service that you need, the best truck in the world isn't all that good. <br><br>I hope that your luck improves. I hope that somebody who is a better businessperson buys out your dealer.<br><br>DeWain

I'm really sorry for your troubles with other dealers. I have a great one. It is the other way around. My ford dealer suxbad and my dodge dealer is like my best friend. I owned a ford pjoke and I had some problems with it and the ford dealer said I was nutz and they all ran like that. He also told me some really bad stuff about dodge and how I had the better truck (FORD). I don't take kindly to dealers trying to put down other brands just to get a sale. I sold my truck to my friend and got my 94. I have never looked back and am dang glad I did. just my 0.02<br>DM01

Hey KC. How you doin? About the tow rating. That has everything to do with the truck itself and not the engine. International uses this engine in its 4200 models and it will pull like hell. You have a good question though. I'm still looking for a clear answer.

As for you Pushrod. I was unaware of Cummins testing with the variable turbo.Thank you for the heads up. I hope they turn one out soon. As far as the HEUI injectors and me saying they were superior. I say this because this injector is electronically controlled,so basically the ecm is a very precise governor. Making for more accurate fuel delivery. And because of this,the ecm does not allow overfueling,hence the black smoke that you see from a Cummins under heavy acceleration. I agree that the bosch sytem is great as far as its simplicity. Wrong or right this is my point of view.If anyone could prove otherwise,I'd sure appreciate it.

<br>Hey KC. How you doin? About the tow rating. That has everything to do with the truck itself and not the engine. International uses this engine in its 4200 models and it will pull like hell. You have a good question though. I'm still looking for a clear answer. <br><br><br>I thought it was a valid question, I think the truck it self is the same as last year with a new engine and trans. One point I would like to make is I have read some of Fords new adds and boy they need to get some one else to write them.<br><br>Example, they state &quot;we believe that larger engines means more power&quot; Why did they make there engine smaller, they also really proud of there towing rating, and they state there engines are 225 or 225 thousand miles before overhaul. Dodge advertises 350,000.<br><br>Just a few points!<br><br>KC

I tried to leave this alone after my first reply but couldn't stand it any more. I haul construction equipment and anything else that needs to be moved. I have had a ford, gm not the duramax, and currently my third cummins. My loads go from 10k to the max of one time 28k and this is on the trailer. truck and trailer alone weigh 14,600. The cummins is a better pulling diesel then the others. I have not been around the new 6.0 but I dont think it will handle the loads like the ctd. When I wore out my 01 and was lookin for another truck I thought about a ford but a friend who owns one said i would not be happy at all with for what i do and haul.

<br>turn one out soon. As far as the HEUI injectors and me saying they were superior. I say this because this injector is electronically controlled,so basically the ecm is a very precise governor. Making for more accurate fuel delivery. And because of this,the ecm does not allow overfueling,hence the black smoke that you see from a Cummins under heavy acceleration.<br><br>If anyone could prove otherwise,I'd sure appreciate it.<br><br><br>Actually not looking to prove anything either way ;D My job is to provide good parts and accurate information for the guys when they're turning the trucks up, and as such, I need all the info I can possibly obtain. I'm currently looking for as much info as I can find on the common rail system that Fords using.<br><br>For example, the Cummins (Bosch) common rail uses a 2 stage pump, feeding a rail with up to 23,000 PSI. The injectors are electronically controlled by the ECM to provide up to 7 injection events per compression stroke (unverified info there). <br><br>If you could dish that kind of info off to us, it would be very much appreciated ;D<br><br>Rod

Great info pushrod. ;D I appreciate it. I am always looking to learn more about cummins diesel. As for the 6.0 I will say it uses a pump that provides 3,000 psi of engine lube oil to a common fuel rail. By means of an intensifier piston inside the unit injector allows injection pressures of 21,000 ,and up to 26,000. So only at the tip of the injector, will the 6.0's fuel system ever see high fuel pressure. In my opinion this helps eliminate the likelyhood of fuel leaks due to high pressure throughout the system. One thing I will say about the 6.0's fuel system is the fuel pump and the powersteering pump are not available as two separate units. If one goes bad they must be replaced as a unit. Something to think about when reliability issues should arise. I cant believe I have to wait this long to see about the Cummins HO and their new auto trans. :'(. I hope all goes well. If it does I will have one. Untill next time boys,enjoy yourselves.

Thanks for the info. How many injection events are you folks using per compression stroke? Pilot and Main? Or more pilots?<br><br>Rod

I hope Ford has improved the turning radius on these new trucks. If Ford had the CTD or any six in row diesel I would buy the Super Duty. I think it is a better truck than Dodge. <br>I am comparing the previous designs as I have not looked at the newest ones. I don't like a V8 diesel...period! Duramax is already having problems. Just goes to show that waiting for a couple of years to see what the service record will be is a good idea. I wish I had done that before I bought that 24v Dodge that gave me problems. Cummins is using the variable turbo on their class-8 engines now. I don't see how the Navistar injectors are superior. High pressure common rail like the CTD is the way all diesel will be in the future. The cooled egr and variable turbo will also be there. Emissions rules will push everything that way. I like the Ford ZF 6spd better too.<br>At least 1st and R are across from each other where they belong! I would not buy any of these truck until they have been out for a few years though. I made that mistake once.<br>I won't make it again. If the HUEI is so great why isn't every engine maker using? Why just Navistar...and a couple of Cat models? In my opinion it is overly complicated. I am still mad at Dodge, but if I had to have a diesel I would buy one over the other two just because of the CTD! To each his own...no war intended...just my thoughts.