View Full Version : Do you Need aFuel Permit or License?
pwabbott
11-09-2002, 12:39 PM
A couple of days ago I received a Publication sent to me by DMV. This is sent to all registered owners following a change in registration. If you are using your Ram for towing commercially it may apply to you. Even though each state has its own regulations you may wish to check with your own state DMV. Here is a copy of the portion pertaining to Diesels:
Alan_Reagan
11-09-2002, 04:13 PM
Without the fuel permit, states that require this little piece of paper, can stop you and fine you for the amount of tax you owe for the amount of fuel you would use while driving in their state. Otherwise, you are required to settle up with them at the end of the year (fuel tax stamp/permit). That stops commercial vehicles from fueling at the border to avoid buying fuel in more expensive states and thus avoiding the high fuel tax in places like Kalifornia.
shortfieldbreak
11-09-2002, 05:53 PM
That's why I don't plan on living in CA again, and registered my truck in TX when I had to renew. CA wanted $455 for one year, including a $390 "discount". Now it'll only be about $85 a year. :D :D :D<br><br>CA is waaaay to expensive for me. I kinda fit into TX better anyway.
to aviod this tax problem buy some fuel in that state and keep the reciept for proof that you bought fuel and that should be able to keep them off your ***.
Haulin_in_Dixie
11-09-2002, 06:37 PM
<br>to aviod this tax problem buy some fuel in that state and keep the reciept for proof that you bought fuel and that should be able to keep them off your ***.<br><br><br>That won't help a bit, in any state that requires a permit.
NWDave
11-09-2002, 09:55 PM
<br>That's why I don't plan on living in CA again, and registered my truck in TX when I had to renew. CA wanted $455 for one year, including a $390 "discount". Now it'll only be about $85 a year. :D :D :D<br><br>CA is waaaay to expensive for me. I kinda fit into TX better anyway.<br><br><br>Oh, SFB, I guess we have another surprise for you when you "land" in Washington State. We're going through some revising of the rates (outrageous, I might add) and you might want to put Washington plates on when you arrive. I just renewed my tags last September and they were only $65.00. We just passed a new initiative measure this last election which offers $30. tabs on your car, truck, motercycle, motorhome, and other vehicles. We'll see how it survives after the politicians quit messing with it. Hey, just another bonus to think of. Now you can pay for that rain coat!!!<br><br>~dave
shortfieldbreak
11-10-2002, 12:12 AM
Well, Dave, I already have a cool raincoat, and personally I think TX plates look pretty dang good on a truck. I do like WA though. We'll see. Maybe you and some of the other NWB types can shame me into getting WA plates.<br>-SFB
NWDave
11-10-2002, 08:47 AM
Shame you? No, usually doesn't work that way. But if you don't mind words like "flatlander" and "furriner", well that's your choice. If you want cool, pay more than you need to. That's good bombing money wasting away, hehehehe. At least you won't have California plates on. Oregonians are really less tolerant than we. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]<br><br>~Dave
thatguy
11-14-2002, 12:00 PM
It looks like that you got was information on IFTA (international fuel tax agreement) which only applies to vehicles with a registered weight of 26,001 or greater OR three axle trucks that travel INTERSTATE (between states). The CA fuel trip permit is a temporay permit for vehicles not in IFTA but that meet the defination of qualified vehicles and make a one-time trip into CA.<br><br>IFTA came about in about 1995 and you pay any road taxes (when you did not purchase enough fuel in a particular state to cover the amount of fuel you burned) to your base jurisdiction and they distribute the fees to the other jurisdictions. Prior to IFTA you had to have a fuel license for all jurisdictions you operated in - which meant you also had to file a quarterly tax report in all of those jurisdictions as well. Thru IFTA you can use your credits (purchased more fuel than you burned) from one jurisidiction in the jurisdictions you didnt buy enough fuel in.<br><br>Unless you are 26,001 and over gross weight you dont have to worry about IFTA..<br><br><br>
<br>That's why I don't plan on living in CA again, and registered my truck in TX when I had to renew. CA wanted $455 for one year, including a $390 "discount". Now it'll only be about $85 a year. :D :D :D<br><br>CA is waaaay to expensive for me. I kinda fit into TX better anyway.<br><br><br>How do you get away with registering your vehicle in a state that you don't live in. Around here that results in a hefty fine, IN law states that you have 30 days after moving to obtain IN plates and DL. Most of the time you can slide until its time to renew with out to much trouble.
pwabbott
11-14-2002, 04:42 PM
If you are employed in a state and live in a state most states declare you a legal resident to collect taxes. For persons retired they may live in several locations but may establish legal residence in a state of their choice. To extablish a legal residence you must have a physical address where you are living. You then get a driver's license, register vehicles, register to vote using that address. In addition vehicle insurance company is notified of your address. If you are drawing a pension or Social Security you notify them of your change of address. You do not have to live in the state of legal residence, you must have intention to return there sometime in the future. If they have income tax you will of course file the necessary tax to the state of legal residence.<br><br>Full-time RVers maintain a legal residence in one state but probably do not own any real estate there. In some cases they own a winter home in another state in a warmer climate. <br><br>Two states that have favorable tax laws and residency requirements are Texas and South Dakota. <br><br>
shortfieldbreak
11-14-2002, 08:18 PM
Ok, Ryan, here's the deal.<br><br>I'm active duty military, and was stationed at NAS Corpus Christi. As long as I'm a resident of CA and stationed somewhere else, I don't pay CA state income tax, BUT if I get stationed in CA I have to pay. To get TX residency, I had to register a car, get a driver's license and register to vote. I did that, so now I'm a TX resident, even though I don't have a permanent TX address. As far as anyone is concerned, my permanent address is my mom's address in CA. That way mail can get to me even if I move a zillion times (btw zillion=4), like I've done already in the Navy.<br><br>SO, I'm a resident of TX who lives elsewhere even though I don't have a permanent address there. There's all kinds of great bennies of being in the military. GO NAVY!<br><br>-SFB
Haulin_in_Dixie
11-15-2002, 12:08 AM
<br>It looks like that you got was information on IFTA (international fuel tax agreement) which only applies to vehicles with a registered weight of 26,001 or greater OR three axle trucks that travel INTERSTATE (between states). The CA fuel trip permit is a temporay permit for vehicles not in IFTA but that meet the defination of qualified vehicles and make a one-time trip into CA.<br><br>IFTA came about in about 1995 and you pay any road taxes (when you did not purchase enough fuel in a particular state to cover the amount of fuel you burned) to your base jurisdiction and they distribute the fees to the other jurisdictions. Prior to IFTA you had to have a fuel license for all jurisdictions you operated in - which meant you also had to file a quarterly tax report in all of those jurisdictions as well. Thru IFTA you can use your credits (purchased more fuel than you burned) from one jurisidiction in the jurisdictions you didnt buy enough fuel in.<br><br>Unless you are 26,001 and over gross weight you dont have to worry about IFTA..<br><br><br><br><br><br>If you are a commercial vehicle and cross a state line and pull more than a one axle trailer, you have to have IFTA, at any weight. That is federal not state regulations.
<br>Ok, Ryan, here's the deal.<br><br>I'm active duty military, and was stationed at NAS Corpus Christi. As long as I'm a resident of CA and stationed somewhere else, I don't pay CA state income tax, BUT if I get stationed in CA I have to pay. To get TX residency, I had to register a car, get a driver's license and register to vote. I did that, so now I'm a TX resident, even though I don't have a permanent TX address. As far as anyone is concerned, my permanent address is my mom's address in CA. That way mail can get to me even if I move a zillion times (btw zillion=4), like I've done already in the Navy.<br><br>SO, I'm a resident of TX who lives elsewhere even though I don't have a permanent address there. There's all kinds of great bennies of being in the military. GO NAVY!<br><br>-SFB<br><br><br>I figured that active Military Service changed the rules a little. Some of them snowbirds with their 5ers can get pretty creative as well when it comes time to avoid taxes :). IN used to have a lot of problems with people registering their vehicles in Ohio, it used to cost about 1/2 as much.
MrBilly
11-15-2002, 07:37 AM
Go to your search engine and put in International Motor Fuel Tax and the state you live in. I assume they are universal. This is what the Georgia State lists: "3<br>II. IMPORTANT TERMS<br>Base Jurisdiction – means the member jurisdiction where qualified motor<br>vehicles are based for vehicle registration purposes and to which the interstate carrier<br>will register and submit tax reports with payments covering all member jurisdictions.<br>Your Base Jurisdiction should be Georgia if:<br>1. Your vehicle(s) are registered in Georgia; and<br>2. Your vehicle(s) use are controlled from a location in<br>Georgia; and<br>3. Your vehicle's records are maintained or can be made<br>available in Georgia*; and<br>4. At least one of your qualified vehicles logs some miles within Georgia.<br>Note: If more than one jurisdiction meets all of these requirements, a carrier may select<br>the one it wants.<br>Qualified Vehicle - one designed or maintained to transport people or property<br>which:<br>1. Has two axles and a gross vehicle weight or registered gross vehicle<br>weight exceeding 26,000 pounds or 11,797 kilograms; or<br>2. Has three or more axles, regardless of weight; or<br>3. Is used in combination when such combination exceeds a gross vehicle<br>weight of 26,000 pounds or 11,797 kilograms.Note: Do not IFTA register if none of your vehicles leave the state.<br>Recreational Vehicles such as motor homes, pickup trucks with attached campers, and<br>buses when used exclusively for personal pleasure by an individual are exempt from<br>IFTA. In order to qualify as a recreational vehicle, the vehicle shall not be used in connection with any business endeavor.<br><br> [laugh]
thatguy
11-15-2002, 08:53 AM
For IFTA your vehicle has to meet the definition of a "qualified vehicle" (2 axle vehicle with 26,001 or greater GVW, 3 or more axles, or used in a combination with 26,001 or greater GVW) AND travel interstate. Same as MrBilly stated and the same as the picture Siera Phil posted.. AND all jurisdicitons (states) should have the same requirement.. <br><br>If the vehicle doesnt meet these terms you dont have to have the IFTA decals or file a quarterly report... As a IFTA tax auditor for VA if your truck isnt a qualified vehicle and you have been paying taxes on it we will remove that vehicles miles and fuel and recalculate your tax liability.<br><br><br>NOW state requirements may be different on whether you need a special permit for travel within that state. VA just did away with their VA Motor Fuel Road Tax Program (the intrastate version of IFTA) and charges an extra $100 per yr on your license plate fee for all vehicles with gvw of 26,001 or greater. BUT if you travel atleast 15,000 miles a yr and get atleast a 5.0 mpg you are better off paying the $100.. VA is a surcharge state.. Not matter how much fuel you purchase in VA, we want an additional $0.035 per gallon for all fuel burned in VA. This is on top of the $0.16 we collect at the pump.<br><br>Haulin in Dixie - can you give me the Federal code for the IFTA requirements you stated? I would be curious to read them.. I know the VA DMV is not auditing based on the criteria you stated. And as far as I know no other jurisdiction is enforcing it that way as well.<br><br><br><br>
Haulin_in_Dixie
11-15-2002, 01:10 PM
You should get it by running a search on the IFTA. If not let me know and I will mail you the info.
thatguy
11-16-2002, 08:55 AM
Haulin in Dixie.. I did a google.com search for "ifta requirements" and i looked at websites for Kentucky, Idaho, colorado, Virginia, New York, and Illinois... All of these states listed the same requirements to be in ifta.. I copied the statement from the IL page as posted below:<br><br>begin quote -<br>"To determine if you need to register with Illinois as an IFTA carrier you first need to decide if your vehicles are considered "qualified motor vehicles." A qualified motor vehicle is a motor vehicle traveling interstate and is used, designed, or maintained for transportation of persons or property and either<br><br>* having two axles and a gross vehicle weight or registered gross vehicle weight exceeding 26,000 pounds <br>* having three or more axles regardless of weight; or <br>* used in combination and the gross vehicle weight or the registered gross vehicle weight of the combined vehicles exceeds 26.000 pounds. " end quote<br><br>Are we talking about the same IFTA here (keep track of total miles/fuel, jurisdictional miles/fuel and file a quarterly tax report with your base jurisdiction)?? Im a little lost/confused at this point and want to make sure there is not a strange Federal requirement out that applies here as well..<br><br>If you would please email me some information on the IFTA requirements you are aware of I would like to see it..<br><br>I will be back at work on Wed or Thursday of next week<br><br>Ill PM you my work email...<br><br>thanks..<br>
thatguy
11-16-2002, 11:05 AM
Haulin in Dixie... I got to thinking.. Could you mean IRP (international registration plan) where you have a prorated license plates for all the states you run in?? You get a cab card issued by your base state listing all the states you are eligible to run in.. <br><br>I know is certain situation states require you to have either IRP or purchase a tag from them if you do business in their state. I also know you can get IRP for vehicles 26,000 and under gvw.<br><br>just wondering..<br><br>
Haulin_in_Dixie
11-16-2002, 11:12 AM
Ok think you got me there. IRP is three or more axles and IFTA is over 26,000 or more than three axles on the pulling vehicle. Alabama did say that I would have a lot of trouble running IRP with no IFTA, regardless of the weight. And IRP is necessary if you have more than three axles. I will put it this way, I had to have the IRP and DOT said that I would have trouble if not running both or neither. So I elected to plate for the higher weight and bite the bullet. I got it all.
thatguy
11-17-2002, 10:08 AM
Virginia DMV doesnt like to issue IRP without an IFTA account as well (and vice versa - they dont like to open an IFTA acct. unless you have a VA IRP as well).. But they do have to make exceptions in some circumstances.<br><br>Have a good one<br><br>
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