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crobtex
08-30-2006, 05:47 AM
From the Colorado Springs Gazette:

Diesel prices traced to new sulfur rules

Drivers have seen a slight reprieve in the price of regular gasoline in recent weeks, but diesel fuel prices are hovering close to record highs, with no relief in sight.

Since June, the price of diesel fuel has threatened to topple Colorado Springs’ record high average set Oct. 24 at $3.282 a gallon.

Tuesday’s local average for diesel was just pennies less at $3.213 per gallon, AAA Colorado said. The national average Monday was $3.090.

Colorado is one of several states in the region, along with South Dakota, Kansas and Nebraska, suffering a diesel shortage, said Roy Turner, executive vice president of the
Colorado-Wyoming Petroleum Marketers Association.

And, he predicts, “It’s not going to be a short-term problem.”

Blame it on industry difficulties in complying with new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, which call for diesel fuel sold in the United States to have much lower sulfur compounds. Sulfur is attributed to acid rain.

Refiners on June 1 began producing the new allowable sulfur content, reduced substantially from 500 parts per million to 15 ppm.

Fuel distribution terminals must have the product in tanks by Friday, and retailers by Oct. 15. Turner said local retailers already are switching their inventories, so “we have ultra-low sulfur at the pumps right now.”

But “the production of ultra-low sulfur diesel has not gone as smoothly as we hoped it would,” said Harlan Ochs, president of Colorado Springsbased Acorn Petroleum, the largest seller of diesel fuel in southern Colorado.

To meet the government’s tougher clean-fuel regulations, Suncor Energy in Commerce City, which supplies about onethird of the state’s diesel consumption of 60,000 barrels a day, spent $445 million to upgrade its refinery.

But since the work was completed in June, production has stalled, said Steve Douglas, general manager.

“Every refinery across the U.S. lost some production, shifting into the new fuel because it takes a while to optimize it and maximize production,” he said.

Another problem is that diesel is a hot commodity this time of year, he said, because construction equipment, interstate trucking and farm machinery kicks into high gear.

“We certainly support the move to the ultra-low sulfur — it will result in cleaner air, lower emissions and better air quality — but it has been a difficult changeover because it happened at the peak of the demand season,” Douglas said.

Branded and unbranded diesel have been rationed to suppliers, Ochs said, with some easing of branded fuel in recent weeks.

“So our big task has been to go beyond this area to find and transport significant volumes into this market,” he said.

He has been sending his company’s tankers to nearby states, such as New Mexico and Wyoming, to fill up.

“That’s affecting pricing because we’ve had to go quite a distance to get the product,” Ochs said.

High diesel prices hurt a wide range of industries, and cost increases are passed on to consumers, said Sharon Williams, school director at the United States Truck Driving School in Colorado Springs.

“Trucking companies have higher freight charges, which are passed on to the suppliers and ultimately to the buying public at every level,” she said.

The school has increased its tuition 10 percent since prices spiked in June, Williams said.

“It’s cut into our bottom line, so we, like every other industry, must pass those charges along to the paying consumer,” she said.

Ochs hopes for a market turnaround by early October, while Turner foresees shortages lasting as long as two years.

Why?

“With ultra-low sulfur, you get a 3 percent reduction in energy content, so right away the mileage will drop on diesel engines,” Turner said.

That will boost demand.

Secondly, offshore refineries have no incentive to invest in producing ultra-low sulfur diesel, he said.

“They can sell their supplies to India, China or other markets, so we’re cutting out refined diesel products that we’ve been importing — which will continue to put pressure on the refiners here to raise their capacity,” Turner said.

streetsmoker
08-30-2006, 06:11 AM
Like I said 6months ago. Never again will we see diesel cheaper than gasoline, and expect to see $3.50-$4.00/gal pretty soon if there is a true, and not implied disruption to supplies like Katrina last year, with little movement in gasoline prices.

Hipshot
08-30-2006, 07:00 AM
I ain't buyin it. [verymad] When gas rose they pushed diesel right along with it penny for penny for no other reason than to keep diesel from becoming attractive.
Now, that gas is receding a little, all of a sudden there is no longer a relationship? NOW we blame it on ULSD??? [yuk]
At one point in time, diesel was much cheaper to produce, and I even heard a byproduct of gas. Now all of a sudden you're gonna tell me not only is it more expensive to produce, but much more expensive to produce THAN gas to the tune of 50 cents or more a gallon??? [dummy] GIVE ME A BREAK!
I agree there is a cost involved.. but just HOW MUCH!!!! [verymad] I'm willing to bet alot less than they are leading us to believe. [nonono]
I think its just another reason to gouge a smaller segment of the population. And until we stand up as a group instead of bending over and taking it, this kind of rape is just simply going to continue. [verymad] [rant]
REVOLT!!!!!!!!! [coffee]

yfz450guy
08-30-2006, 09:21 AM
I ain't buyin it. [verymad] When gas rose they pushed diesel right along with it penny for penny for no other reason than to keep diesel from becoming attractive.
Now, that gas is receding a little, all of a sudden there is no longer a relationship? NOW we blame it on ULSD??? [yuk]
At one point in time, diesel was much cheaper to produce, and I even heard a byproduct of gas. Now all of a sudden you're gonna tell me not only is it more expensive to produce, but much more expensive to produce THAN gas to the tune of 50 cents or more a gallon??? [dummy] GIVE ME A BREAK!
I agree there is a cost involved.. but just HOW MUCH!!!! [verymad] I'm willing to bet alot less than they are leading us to believe. [nonono]
I think its just another reason to gouge a smaller segment of the population. And until we stand up as a group instead of bending over and taking it, this kind of rape is just simply going to continue. [verymad] [rant]
REVOLT!!!!!!!!! [coffee]

here! here!
i am ready! [dummy]

Rauschbo
08-30-2006, 01:05 PM
- and the deleterious effects to the economy are HUGE, everything that is shipped OTR (products don't actually GROW in the retail outlets, see) will have the additional costs of transportation tacked onto them...

Even at ~20 mpg, I have to park my truck to use only for "special occasions" because of the current $3.50 / gal....

DBLR
08-30-2006, 01:24 PM
"Diesel prices traced to new sulfur rules" I say BS to that.

On Sunday diesel was $3.13 when I filled up. Monday it dropped 4 cents and 3 more on Tuesday to $3.06. Our local Sunday paper said the higher cost was because of the new ULSD and that the prices were to remain high for the holiday, once more BS.

So why did diesel and gas both drop in price? Oh gas dropped more in price then did diesel. Gas in now $2.63 down from $2.78 on Sunday and blended is only a penny cheaper then regular gas. Guess they lower it so you will want to go away for the comming weekend, then they can raise the price $0.30 Saturday morring {as you left Friday night and may not see the higher price for a day or two} and rape everyone for the next 2 weeks to make up for the lower price before the hoilday.

What a scam they run.

displacedtexan
08-30-2006, 01:25 PM
Wanna revolt against diesel prices? Quit buying it. One thing that helps gover prices is the principle that price will be what the market will pay.

I charge by the hour on a lot of jobs. I charge pretty high, but guess what, people are willing to pay it, so you bet I will continue to charge the same rate.

infidel
08-30-2006, 07:16 PM
I say BS to the refiners saying they are having trouble switching over ULSD.
They've known this was coming for over ten years, it's own their fault waiting till the last minute to upgrade their refineries.

rustbucket
08-30-2006, 07:48 PM
how will the new fuel affect older diesels? I have asked my supplier,and he didn't have a answer,but said he had heard that older injection pumps might not like it very well.

steveb
08-30-2006, 11:46 PM
Guys I did a search here for ULSD because I have had a recent drop in mileage that I can’t account for in my truck other than maybe the diesel I’m getting. A good 1 MPG from near 15.5 to 14.5. I’m in Texas and do a lot of highway driving with small hills. B engine with 355 gears and 5 speed standard.

I looked the truck up and down for the cause (homeade boost tester IAT, etc) but have no explaination. MAYBE one tank since I owned the beast I got 17. Even after mods, adding 5% for tire size to miles, etc… I’ve just given up and tried to enjoy the truck which I do!

My BIG wonder and worry is this new ULSD mess.

I’ve talked with a bunch of my friends at work who drive diesels and they say their mileage has dropped to crap also. These are mostly power stroke victims BUT hey, we have diesel in common.

These guys are honestly telling me they are on the verge of selling their trucks. The reasons I’ve been told are:

1.) Mileage is really down and going to get worse with ULSD and
2.) Diesel prices are going to go thorugh the roof because of the ULSD switch cause all the suppliers need to thouroughly clean their trucks for delivery so they comply or face problems with folks driving the new 2007 diesels having problems, etc. (You wouldn’t catch me buying a new diesel in 07)

Anyway they’ve all talked to the “best” diesel mechanic in the area and said he’s had steady calls about loss of mileage from everyone and he blames either ULSD or LOW grades of diesel – stresses callers to change their fuel filters regularly - BTW $60 a pop for fuel filters for those power stroke boys and only $14 for me ;)

Anyway – just sharing some local water cooler talk and concerns.

I kept my old 92 Chevy Z gasser when I bought this Dodge and find myself driving it more and more. Don’t get me wrong – hitching a boat or hauling trailers will be behind the ole Cummins. I’m not planning to sell MY truck unless it’s just outrageous.

Just got finished watched that special on Abc abouth end of the world scenarios tonight. I kinda feel good in a way about lessening global warming with this new ULSD but my rear end hurts cause I feel I’m taking it hard while gassers are smiling with dropping prices. I just feel they need to grab a hold of a little iceburg over in Greenland to save too! It’s getting so cold I can’t feel my hands anymoooororrref tooo typeee [eyecrazy]

6speedcowboy
08-31-2006, 12:07 AM
its pretty bad here where i live about the cheapest diesel here is $3.53 and there is about a 10 cent varience between stations chevron/texico same truck goes to both all within a mile of each other and the price can go up of down 10-15 cents a day i've noticed a mileage drop too i used to average 16.5 now im down to a little under 15.5 i've noticed a difference in the smell of the fuel too.