http://www.petitiononline.com/CFP001/petition.html

Wow, are you dreaming! Don't waste your time on such a futile exercise.

John

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/general-diesel-topics/197855-what-can-you-do-help-fix-fuel-cost-problem.html

No need to sign it.

Just realize that fuel is a luxury and use it in moderation.

Thats the only way to curve the price, we are an economy that runs off of supply and demand.

Timmay2 "fuel is a luxury" ????

Without this luxury how would you go to work? How would the goods that you by at the stores get there, that you drive to get to? This economy runs on fuel it is not a luxury it is a necessity if there was none we would grind to a halt!!

Yes it might not help or do a bit of good, but every bit helps so I have signed the petition. It is just like voting if you don't vote don't b*tch about the polititions, well this is the same way if you don't try something to help don't b*tch about the price you pay at the pump.

Timmay2 "fuel is a luxury" ????

Without this luxury how would you go to work? How would the goods that you by at the stores get there, that you drive to get to? This economy runs on fuel it is not a luxury it is a necessity if there was none we would grind to a halt

Yes it might not help or do a bit of good, but every bit helps so I have signed the petition. It is just like voting if you don't vote don't b*tch about the polititions, well this is the same way if you don't try something to help don't b*tch about the price you pay at the pump.

I agree that fuel is what drives our system, but.......

This is not like voting at all. Voting is the only way we have of making a true change or voicing our opinions in a recognizable and countable way, within the system, that really matters.

This petition carries no weight and sounds like a plea. It makes false or controversial claims that may have nothing to do with the problem or the solution. Why put any hope in something like this? You're wasting your time with this.

John

Sounds like an oil company, stock holder.

Supply and demand,has little to do with the totaly unreasonable price of diesel,It's the idiot fear mongers on wall street that are the main problem. Any reason they can dream up,is used to jack up oil prices.[verymad]

Horse and buggy...only fuel they need is food and water

I agree that fuel is what drives our system, but.......

This is not like voting at all. Voting is the only way we have of making a true change or voicing our opinions in a recognizable and countable way, within the system, that really matters.

This petition carries no weight and sounds like a plea. It makes false or controversial claims that may have nothing to do with the problem or the solution. Why put any hope in something like this? You're wasting your time with this.

John

Actually, it's worse than wasting time. It encourages conspiracy theorists while blasting everybody in sight, government, big oil, and the Sierra Club included. A frank discussion, free from lobbyist agendas, and a reasoned and rational approach by our politicians is the only thing that is going to help in the long term.

I am not optimistic that will happen in my lifetime.

No need to sign it.
Thats the only way to curve the price, we are an economy that runs off of supply and demand.


Hmm, then why are fuel supplies the highest they have been in 14 years while prices are hitting records too?

Supply is high relative to demand. The price should drop, end of story.

The system is broken with Big Oil and Wall Street reaping the benefits. Everyone needs housing. Everyone needs fuel. Well, they sunk the housing so let's move on to fuel! I'll stop now lest I get all political.

It seems that there is a huge amount of speculative investment going on in the oil market. People banking on higher prices. The demand is not driving it as much as investers are.

While it is sickening to see this outrageous pricing and the effect it has on the entire country, I'm not surprised. The system does not work on good will, sympathy or kindness. It's money, money money. And until the perception changes to one of oil as a bad investment or somehow the pricing bubble bursts, (like the housing market bubble) the price will be as high as the market can bear.

I hate it, but I still go when I want and pump in a hundred dollars or so a week. I'd gladly join a boycott if it could be affective but there is no way that Americans could ever join together enough to make it work.

This is teetering on the edge of political so I'll stop here.

John

Sounds like an oil company, stock holder.
So why don't you buy some shares and reap the benefits yourself?

Here we go again "big oil big oil". Take the time you spent "signing" and online petition and do some searching on WHY the prices are at the level they are. It has less to do with the price of crude as it has to do with the taxes. So instead of complaining about the 8% profit the oil company makes off your fuel for doing ALL THE WORK and complain to your Govt. (that's as political as I'm going to get to keep the thread alive) Click here to find out more about how much the Govt. makes for doing absolutely no work and taking no risk. (http://seekingalpha.com/article/63131-exxon-s-2007-tax-bill-30-billion?source=side_bar_editors_picks)

I think the only way to control prices at this point would be legislation. Even then, because we rely so much on foreign oil, it might be an exercise in futility.

I think the only way to control prices at this point would be legislation. Even then, because we rely so much on foreign oil, it might be an exercise in futility.

But we don't rely so much on foreign oil, its something less than 25% that comes from OPEC, and most of the oil we use is Canadian. We legislate our own supplies into "off limits" areas.

But thats not all. We rely on trucks to do long haul duty across the country. We should go with rail transport, and cut our fuel use by 25% nationally.

Plus we like to drive everywhere. Maybe we should start using light rail transit in urban areas.

Right now, I live 150 yards from a rail line that runs 15 miles, and goes within 200 yards of my workplace. But they run one train a day, and its freight. If I could leave my vehicle at home and take the train, I'd gladly pay $15 a week for a rail pass. If 100 of us that do the same commute got a rail car to do this, I'm sure it wouldn't cost the $1500 that the tickets would generate.

theres a couple reasons why the prices are high and its not really much to do with oil itself climbing.
The dollar is becoming worth less (for any world-wide commodity you buy not just oil) because the govt is spending out the wazoo and not taxing to make up the money. They are PRINTING it to cover the debt. If you want a good indicator of what I mean, check the price of gold 2001 versus 2008. youll be amazed. The policy-makers know about inflation and some folks believe its deliberate.
simple economics 101, if there is a lot of something around its worth less.
Then you have people worried about inflation and investing in oil to get out of things tied to the unstable US dollar which drives prices higher. Still the same root cause.
The other factor is in a free market if one oil company had a refinery outage or a pipeline that popped some other company would be able to come in and still sell fuel at a reasonable price. But when you have a handfull of mega-corps that handle ALL the fuel, theres not a whole lot you can do.
In a fair free market, this wouldnt be a problem. The expense of the infrastructure is a problem for competition. Less competition == higher prices and less choices. e.g. your cable or DSL provider.
If you want prices to drop, you should contact your representatives and ask what they are doing about inflation. :(

We're all going to go through a pretty serious reality check before this is all said and done. And the cost of fuel is just the thing we all see every day, so it's easy to focus on and be mad about. With the dollar declining and inflation soaring (contrary to Gov't reports), 12 Billion a month being spent in you know where and keeping that off the ledger as "emergency" spending, the gov't giving itself permission to just print more dollars as needed, etc., fuel costs are likely to be only a small part of the BIG payment we all face. There is no way we can continue to spend at this rate. I'm hoping we don't look back and wish for fuel that only costs $4.00 per gallon.

Sooner or later we are going to have to drive less and have more efficient vehicles. Or we'll just want to, in spite of our history of drive, drive, drive. I spent many years mad at fuel costs and fuel policies, but now I am tired of being mad and realize we're all just sheep. I can't think of anything I can do about it that would actually make a difference. I need a full size truck so I have a Cummins for the best efficiency. I need a car so I have a VW TDI, again, for the best efficiency.

About a year ago I asked on here why people like to make their trucks smoke so much. What they got out of that flagrant use of fuel that actually was a benefit. Man, you should have read all the attacks. It was a flame-o-rama. I just find it kind of funny that some of the ones that burn all they possibly can are so ready to yelp when the price goes up. Not that those few are effecting oil prices, but It's just the American way to use all you can of anything and not look at the consequences.

Actually I prefer clean exhaust but I like to be able to smoke if I need it. Works well on tailgaters when Im hauling expensive loads and I dont want to get rear-ended.
Those little chromed out honda civics that bounce over manhole covers seem to like the smoke too, heh heh.

I'm on board with trying to get the most MPG with reasonable performance, and can't understand the smoke either. I would say ride a motorcycle, or car pool. I would hate to have to fill my truck weekly. I have to fill it about 1 a month now. I don't believe the price is due to supply & demand though.

Demand and speculators are having the greatest effect on our prices.
Drilling in ANWR and increased offshore on both coasts and the gulf coupled with a couple of new refineries would help a lot.
Also I saw a program a while back about extracting oil for diesel fuel from coal.
Unfortunately pursuing this doesn't fit into the politics of the day. Even with the advances in "Clean Coal" technology. So instead politics will continue to push us into this self inflicted fuel crises.[director][dummy]
The current climate is "GREEN" or nothing. There's no middle ground.

ok, last thread went to political. This shut us up in that one. Seems there is know way for us as american's to band together and come up with a solution, cause we can't even talk about it together here. Don't get me wrong, I guess I understand why you locked it. Well, no, I don't. But anyway, No matter how hard anyone of us hate it, and no matter how much we complain about it. This isn't going to make any difference. Our voices don't do a thing. We try, we complain, we get more frustrated, we give up.

No problem with green, as long as its done right. We should be investing in something like algae biodiesel.
The problem I see is when a govt entity places 'carbon caps' and taxes in place to moderate the situation, they are placing artificial controls on the market which have been shown not to work well.
If anything needs to be done to get us to move to something with less net co2 emissions, it should be done via the free market system.
The other really big problem is govt is more interested in 'scratching backs' than implementing real fixes. They gave big agri-business a big boost with this corn to ethanol thing, but the fallout is killing us on everything from animal feed to milk. Thats what happens when you place artificial controls on the market or subsidize something to make it cheaper.