I got an offer tonight to hook a 2005 4X4 Hemi, stock. I think I will pull him just fine, mainly because of the weight ratios. With my engine alone, bumper, rack, and toolbox. Dont you think I can pull him alright? As long as I dont break traction. I know he will not know what to do ( hard city boy) and he will floor it and break traction, then all I do is just ease off and go with him. Any suggestions / thoughts?

Put it in 4hi and launch at 1,400rpm or so, with little to no boost. You'd pull him around like nothing.

Why don't you go and pick on someone your own size you big bully.[laugh]

Yank it hard enough to bust his hitch, then let him explain to the service manager how it happened. If he really feels tough put 12K on a trailer and time each truck. That will tell the tale.

John- What do you mean? Hold the break and hit the gas then let off? I dont want to put too much umphf on my stuff and break it when I take off. haha I only hook people I know I can beat big blue! [laugh]

Yep, hold the brake while in drive at 1400 and then let off the brakes.

here these will tell ya how it will go..
http://willburns.com/fordvscummins.MOV
http://www.willburns.com/Hookin.mpg

how bout this

hold the brakes, wait for his tires to break loose and then torque him out? hmmm Johns idea sounds good too... he he he he it shouldnt even be a contest really...

Tx

So with the sudden take off, like in the video, I wont bust anything? I could just hold him with throttle ( brakes too?) and wait until he spins, then put it to the floor right?

I would sneak a switch into the brakelights, this way he has no idea why you aren't moving, neither will bystanders.

Originally posted by MasseyMan1089
So with the sudden take off, like in the video, I wont bust anything? I could just hold him with throttle ( brakes too?) and wait until he spins, then put it to the floor right?

if he is as much a dum dum

as you say he is, (IE city boy) he is gonna think that like a hotrod, floor it and pull, if you hold the brakes his 375 ft lbs of tq or whatever the hemi has are not gonna move that massive ram that you drive specially if his differentials are stock:rolleyes: [eyecrazy] he might spin one or two wheels, once he does that.. he is all yours... I have only done one tug of war and it was in dirt against a 6.0 chevy gasser.. All i did was shift into four low as did he, and i held my brakes and even the parking brake although it was hard to do i had a heel on the brake and my tip toe on the go pedal with the clutch in, when his tires started to spin and hop and i started moving slightly back i let off on the brakes and dumped the clutch with some boost already built.. and i dug in slightly but once my tires dug in right he came back almost like that ford does in that hookin video.. the extra 400 or so ft lbs made it seem like there was nothing back there..

As for yankin bumpers with an auto, John Rodriguez would know, he has quite an impressive track record as far as that goes on yankin ppl left and right and with him havin almost 200 more horses than me and 100 ft lbs more well i aint messing with him...:D

Pavement. i have not nor will do a tug of war on pavement.. tire wear would kill me.. driveline wear might not be as much unless you are hopping in four low, but i probly will try it one day.. either ways you go you risk breakin somethin thats the way I see it, the day i can afford to fix it, is the day ill probly do it...

best of luck and show him what your truck is made up of...



Tx:D

Mikemaze: Thats an idea! I could just pull the fuse for the brake lights, and say I never touched the brakes!! haha. Ah, the joys of cheating...[laugh] I think he may wuss out :rolleyes: I told him if he knows anyone else, to call me. :D Maybe Ill find someone else that thinks there half-ton gasser is stout!

I don't like the whole "sit on the brakes and wait for him to peel out" move. I think that's cheating. Put it in gear, press the brake and get on the gas slowly, so you're at 14-1500rpm and maybe 1-3psi of boost, and wait, when it's time to start, let off the brake and roll into the gas. You have the weight AND torque advantage, even if he had his foot to the floor you could drag him backwards. Hell, my friend had a new dodge diesel 2wd (qclb) and we did a tug of war in my jeep wrangler. He thought he would sit on the brakes til I broke traction and then pull me off, but I was in 4lo and dumped that clutch at 4k [laugh] [laugh] and it pulled the truck brakes and all a good 15ft before I got too much wheel hop and let off.

Yeah, cheating with something like that wouldnt be the best, no need really. Thanks for all the imput. Do you have any videos of you hookin john?

I hooked to a 96 chevy 6.6 diesel 1 ton on pavement with my older 2004 truck since I now have a 05. WE did 4lo twice, the first time I thought I could hold the brakes but with brakes held and everything he pulled me. Then I did what you guys where saying brake stood it till about 1500 and bam took off with him no problem. You should have no problem pulling that hemi no matter what you do.

Originally posted by BigBlue
That wimpy little third gen couldn't pull a ricer in neutral.

I'd still quietly look into the bed to see how much weight he has added.
The difference is the weight and traction. Of course we have the power advantage.

Two of my buddies hooked once. Both 97 f350 powerjokes. Both lifted the same, same wheels, tires and all. They were mirror images excpet for color. Anyway one of them had an inch think sheet of steel in his bed he was hauling around for his job. I bet it weighted close to 1000lbs. Anyway he pulled the truck wihout the weight with no prob.
I hooked to an f250 before and got pulled around. We were both at idle with the rope tight. I had it in 4lo, when they said go we both rolled on the throttle and I just spun instantly. He pulled me like I was a trailer! He wasn't cheating either, we did it twice. Pretty embarrasing.
So for this 1500rpm launch are you in 4hi or lo? Lo seems like it would just cause you to spin tires even quicker. From the results in that video I think I need to try my buddies f250 again.

Be sure to drop tire air pressure to about 20# each for max traction..

Thats gettin pretty deep. I dont think I'd need all that for a little half toner...:D

No you shouldn't only think you need to worry about is if you have the brakes to stop both of you when you start pulling him. He'll have ot add close to 2000 pounds of weight to come close to your weight.

Uh oh. Change of plans. That guy says no with the Hemi... :rolleyes: But a new taker: GMC 2500 gasser i believe. I'll have details later. Any new suggestions?

hmmm even easier target!?!?

you think so? i was thinking a little tougher, seeing its a little heavier?

I'm still going with check yor brakes and make sure you will be able to stop that load. Trust me dude unless he has 2 tons in the back of his truck and a Wiend Supercharger sticking out of the hood don't sweat it. If he does has a supercharger then well thats a whole different ball game.

Ok good. I think this is just a farm truck they use. Once I hear more and get details, I will fill you in... ;)

i've done a few hooks...

my first time i got hustled by some boys i didnt know. i was on bald...and i mean BALD michelin LTX street tires...and only had the 70hp banks kit with exhaust, wastegate, ottmind...prolly around 320hp and 680tq

the first guy was a lifted f-350 v-10 dually on 35" off road tires...i was secerly handicapped with 4 bad tires to his 6 good ones...and we were on dirt. then he got to line up on the slightly downhill side...so i was pulling slightly up. he says it was a stock motor automatic with the lift and tires. well he was nuetral dropping from 1500 down into drive and would jerk me instantly and i stood no chance. after 3 attempts i quit because my tires didnt even grip. later i heard some talk that his motor was far from stock...his dual exhaust was no cat-back...it started from a set of headers..which are a big gain for a v-10, and he had a perf. throttle body and spacer, intake, and a hypertech power programmer isntalled. i didnt lose any money so its all good tho...just lost my pride.

a few minutes later a 6.0 gasser chevy hooked up with me and he was on 33" BFG A/T and we both dug down about 2" and sat still...everyone says i won tho because my tires were so crappy and i still held him off.


the next time i made a hook was on pavement, against a 350 pwoered reg cab dually chevy 4x4. we tried 2wd because i had a 150hp and 300tq advantage plus weight advantage...ont he pavement i dumped the clutch and spun...his 4 tires hooked up in the rear and he pulled me 15' in my cloud of smoke. so i said lets go 4x4 and go 6 tires agaisnt 4...i was in 4hi...2nd gear...let him start to pull then revved to 1500 and dumped it...i hopped once, hooked and pulled him an easy 50' [laugh] well he decided to be a dummy and get a running start and takes off back the other way when i stopped (he was mad that i jerked him so hard and so far) so as he has me moving backwards agains pretty quick...i put it in second, dump the clutch and stop his movement intantly and then pulled him at least 100yds to show him whos boss.:o

Wow. I liked the 350 story. :cool: I've seen some wild hookins' before. I saw 2 guys in like 78 chevys hook in the dirt, and they just sat there and spun around, not too fun :rolleyes: But the best one I've seen was two 2005-- 3500 Cummins DRW hook on pavement. The only difference was once was a quad cab and one was a single cab. The reg. cab held him for a few seconds, then the quad dumped his clutch and drug him 8' then stopped. I was like :o Ever seen 2 Toyota Camerys hook? I have...:eek: [laugh]

getblown

320 and 680 is still pretty stout.. wow! im sure uda gotten that v10 had u good tires and it be a level playin field.. a chevy 6.0 gasser will easily hop in low range i have pulled one, MIND YOU i had good tires, and this was with my current setup, which is running about 315-330 HP and 700-750 or more TQ. I have dynoed with just a zero plate at 376/902..as i said prior, the chevy hook was in dirt, but i held the brakes, includin parkin, and the clutch was dumped, and brakes released when i felt i had enough rpms and was gettin pulled back.. (not for long tho)i dug in and my wheels spun but then the tq got the best of him and i just pulled him like it was nothing, his truck was hoping more from the front than the rear, and while my cummins was being pulled down on the rear, and the heavy front stayed planted, i just pulled him back easily once my tq came in and my tires got a good grip...:D You should not have any problems with a 6.0 gasser.. our 12V oldies are goodies, they make more tq per hp than the overvalved ones do (TYPICALLY) good luck and let us know how it goes, video it if possible...:D

moral of the story, even though it was dumb, i hooked, and U GOTTA LOVE LOW RANGE... our cummins almost have ungodly power....

Tx:D

OK DETAILS FOR TONIGHTS HOOKIN'! It is set: I am hookin' a 3500 SRW Chevy Silverado Gasser. We are hookin in the dirt at 7pm. Now, 4lo or hi? In drive? Build boost, then go with it? I have 4 hours until the hook!

1989 GASSER to be exact. I made a weight bracket for the front of my ranchhand, will post pictures. Simple, but it works all the same...

I'd use 4 low, lock it out of OD, just like a sled pull. Build about 5psi of boost and just let off the brake, feather the throttle as needed to keep the tires from spinning.

Josh

more like play the brake to keep turbo spooled no?

I'm on my way. Its 6:45 Good luck to me...

don't forgt the video camera

HA...HA...HAAA I DRUG HIM! It was a good hook. I have a video here, I dont know how to post it. Its from a digital camera and I have it in my documents. So if someone knows how to get it from me to you, then on here, tell me and we'll do it...:D :D :D