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Hey guys I was wondering you what you guys thought of the south bend con o clutch vs. dial a clutch. Dial a clutch seems to be a lot cheaper then south bend but which is better in your minds. thanks -Anthony
10-09-2002, 11:16 PM
all I know is that is you are over 350hp a centerforce gives up. It will hole 330hp for a long time and never slip.<br>my 0.02
10-10-2002, 10:58 AM
I am running a SB Clutch and I'M very happy with it. The 1st Gen's had a noticeable launch shudder problem. Since I put my SBC in I have not had a single launch shudder. You may beat SB's prices but you can't top their customer service. Some of the things I've seen Peter do redefine customer service. In the long run if you have a problem you will see what I mean. :)<br>Bob
10-10-2002, 12:10 PM
You get what you pay for.<br><br>SBC all the way.<br><br>--Justin
10-10-2002, 06:13 PM
From a Newbie on this board, you can't go wrong with SB. Peter is a square shooter and stands behind his product!
10-10-2002, 09:21 PM
Someone else said it. You get when you pay for.
Just ask Dial-a Clutch if their clutch with get a 1 ton dually to chirp the tires in 4th gear at 35 mph.
THe Con OFE is an awesome clutch. It's help just about everything I've thrown at it. And it shifts and feels smoother than the stock clutch.
SBC all the way.
Wow ok. Then it's SBC. Thanks -Anthony
10-11-2002, 11:23 AM
what about pulling a sled. Will a SB clutch hold up. I have heard that they will do the same thing as my centerfoce. They get a glaze on the clutch material and will never hold that same again. Just something I have heard. What is a good pulling clutch to use. I'm looking at a dual disc clutch from Enterprise engin performance. I have heard that they are the best.
10-12-2002, 12:37 AM
Peter had developed a pulling clutch from what I understand.<br>In interest of safety, I don't think he'll sell one unless you have a scatter shield or tranny blanket. <br><br>Can't really blame the guy for that.
10-12-2002, 08:49 AM
SBC is a great clutch for trailer pulling and racing!<br><br>But for Sled Pulling, Yes the Dave Mitchell (Enterprise Engine)<br>Pulling clutches are awesome!<br><br>Both of these clutches are totally different animals for their purposes.<br><br>--Justin
10-13-2002, 08:19 PM
So far the Mitchel pulling clutch is the top dog in the pulling arena. I dont have much data on the clutch, but the peformamce of it so far is top notch.
The Southbend clutchs are the best dern street clutchs I have ever driven, but have a HP limit of about 550.
Joes modified Sachs is by far the only clutch that can hold 600 plus HP with ease and still have a sprung hub to keep vibration and harmonics down. It drives kind rough and is not for everyone, but will hold the power, street or dyno. I dont mind the way it drives but some of the guys like smooth as silk engagement with a light pedal.
Joes clutch is not for sled pulling either. The facing just wont allow it to be slipped long enough to get the weight moving.
I have been working with Joe on a modifed version of the Sachs that can be slipped, but it still is not a primary pulling clutch like the Mitchell dual disk is.
10-13-2002, 08:46 PM
Mitchell's clutch is good,but it's definately not the top dog. Haisley Machine's comp clutch is as good or better.
10-13-2002, 08:53 PM
Ya know Chad, I would not deny that Van and Patty do build some great products. I just have never heard of the Haisley pulling clutch. As far as I know there may be ten other good pulling clutchs out there.
I have few ideas on clutchs too, but have not implemented any yet.
edit- I wanted to add, I like the JVD box that Haisley is using for the 24 valve engines. I really like the ability to have them (JVD) custom program the parameters to what you want.
10-13-2002, 09:12 PM
Who you callin Chad??<br><br><br>Haisley's clutches are very popular. Alot of hot pullers run Van's comp clutch including Kent Crowder,Don Quaethem,Ed West,Wade Wright and myself. That's just a few.<br><br><br>
10-13-2002, 10:03 PM
I thought you were Chad, sorry for the confusion ???<br><br>As far as the Haisley clutch and tractor pulling all around-I know enough about both to get me into trouble. Im sure Van can build or design a good one though. I actually want to get one those 1 3/8 input shafts made up from him for my 5- speed.<br><br>Don~<br><br>
10-13-2002, 10:50 PM
My SB Con O is rated for 350hp and is holding 417 with no problem and is smoother than the stocker.
10-14-2002, 11:29 AM
with the 1 3/8 input shaft how much hp will the stock 5spd hold? Will it hold up when pulling or should I get a 5spd? Note I only pull about 3 times a year.
10-14-2002, 11:46 AM
My SB Con O is rated for 350hp and is holding 417 with no problem and is smoother than the stocker.
My Con O held 450HP for a year or so. It slipped at 478 and I built a throttle stop to get it to hold. After the glazing began to wear off, the clutch came back a bit and I was able to get it to hold 531HP. Once! I had to replace my starter after that and when I removed it....the clutch material was all over the place inside the bellhousing/block plate in chunks. It was roasted. Of course it is not rated for that kind of power. Its a sight to see.
10-15-2002, 07:19 PM
I'am looking for a place or name of a good shop ;D to change my clutch out, I just started to pull a 5er (7800lbs), I plow (when it snows) and my OEM has 132,500k. I live in the MD area.<br><br>Any help would be great!!
10-15-2002, 07:30 PM
We'd be glad to help you, we specialize in installing the best clutches out there, especially South Bend and Haisley. Bit of a drive for you, though, at 600 miles one way... (we come to Maryland every year for the Big Rig Nationals, so we know how far it is !) <br> How much horsepower are you running? If stock, how high do you plan to take it? (If you are indeed planning on it)<br> That will be two of the factors that you need to consider in choosing the right clutch for your application.<br> We have a lot of members from Virginia on these forums, one or two of them maybe could suggest a shop near you?
10-15-2002, 08:17 PM
Briar,<br><br>You are now selling Vans clutch? If so, can you tell me about it? Do you like it over the EE clutch? <br><br>Don~
10-16-2002, 02:21 PM
I've always had Van's stuff for sale, Don, I just haven't had time to update my website. For example, I also have Suncoast and BD trannies and parts, but they're not on the website. <br> No comment on who has the better clutch. ;D <br> They are both excellent clutches. That is all I can say about it. Keep in mind, I don't pull, although I work on several pulling trucks and drag racers.
11-03-2002, 10:28 PM
I was doing some searching in older posts, just found this one. I'm looking for a new clutch, was planning to go with the McLeod. However, the Haisley clutch is one I haven't heard much about, is it dual disk like the McLoed? I was talking to someone about clutches a few months ago, they told me to wait on a "Revloc", still in R & D phase. Has anyone heard of it? Thanks in advance.
11-04-2002, 11:21 AM
Just a thought on "holding power". My stock clutch spins in 5th and 4th pretty easily yet would hold 414 hp on the Dyno. I think that Dynomometer set up has a lot to do with the numbers we see vs actual hp on the street. <br>Don- I'm looking at having one of Joe's modified Sach clutchs installed. Are you walking in circles or is left leg effort reasonable? I rode in Sickly and know what you mean about the clutch not being for everyone. Guess my shifting will have to be cleaned up!<br>Greg
11-05-2002, 07:18 PM
With customer service, let me tell you a little story.<br><br> About a year and a half ago I bought Peter's con-o-fe for my 96. Does it hold? ;D Does it ever. Now my truck don't make that much power but at 405 it ain't that weak. Well I had a little chatter I could not get to go away. In third gear towing just can't get the gear train and my foot together. Chatter. I posted a few times asking what I could do to get it right. Peter asked me to call when I got a chance. I called and we talked about 30 min. What he said , after 1 1/2 years of use is he wanted me happy. I told him I was but he insisted something was not right. He sent me a new con-o, which got to my house in 2 days. Would not take any payment and said to put the "old" fe in the shed in case I ever needed a clutch in an emergency. Never, and I mean never have I ever had that happen. For a person to stand behind his product like Peter is unheard of. I told a fellow at about it and he just looked and me with his mouth open.<br><br> The South Bend clutch is a keeper for sure but with people like Peter there there is no other place for me to shop. And anybody else I know.<br><br> A real happy camper.<br><br>..Preston..
11-06-2002, 09:48 PM
EE's puller is better than Haislys, sorry BULLWAGON!<br><br>I would go SBC for anything except sled pulling.<br><br>Peter did say he had a puller ready, but would not sell it until somebody had blankets. Well Enterpise Engine now has custom 5 and 6 blankets and blow proof bell housings, so Peter can release them now. <br>It better be tough, because EE and Van Haisly have the puller market about wrapped up.<br><br>I would not wish a Joe Sachs on anybody, avoid them like the plague. The only way it holds 600 hp is with a lag pig big honker turbo, that puts NO load on it at low rpms.<br>The 600 hp is still questioned, as it has not left Nevada, and been on any other dyno anyway. Sales Pitch, it sucked me in, I was a fool.
11-06-2002, 10:06 PM
Did you run the Haisley comp clutch Gene?
11-06-2002, 10:15 PM
Why no JR, have you or Bullwagon run EEs?<br>
11-06-2002, 10:16 PM
Sorry but I wont run that clutch.
11-06-2002, 10:32 PM
Which one? And why?
11-06-2002, 10:33 PM
Sledpuller, I think I talked to you earlier about a Centerforce, I should have listened (trying to save a buck). Is the EE clutch a modified McLoed? Just curious. Also, does Crower or Ram or any popular gasser companies make a decent clutch for the 5.9? thanks.
11-06-2002, 11:03 PM
I just wanted to see if you had the Haisly Comp clutch in your truck at one point. Or if you were "cheerleading"! LOL
11-06-2002, 11:12 PM
I only cheerlead for companys that deserve it, and only where it is appropiate, like this thread. [eyecrazy]<br><br>QUOTE:<br>"Sledpuller, I think I talked to you earlier about a Centerforce, I should have listened (trying to save a buck). Is the EE clutch a modified McLoed? Just curious. Also, does Crower or Ram or any popular gasser companies make a decent clutch for the 5.9? thanks"<br><br>Did I steer you wrong? heheh sorry man, I warned you!<br><br>The Mitchell pulling clutch is NOT a rebuilt McCloed, that rumor was started by the uneducated a while back, by a few guys that were trying to sell clutches that would not hold.<br><br>Daves clutch is all custom parts.<br>I have no idea about those other companys.
11-06-2002, 11:17 PM
JR,<br>I just couldn't let BULLWAGON get away with a statement like he made!<br>I guess we could ask, what clutch won all the classes at Muncie?<br><br>What clutch did Scheid use?
11-06-2002, 11:18 PM
Im pretty sure at Terra Haute when they beat Dave Mitchell it was the Haisley Comp! ;D
11-06-2002, 11:20 PM
Thanks for the info, maybe I won't make the same mistake twice, (although that $289 NAPA clutch would be easy on the wallet!!!)
11-06-2002, 11:39 PM
NAPA has a$289 clutch? We all got took!
I doubt that, but it is two bad it melted down and could not run the next night.
What does that make Scheids vs Dave? 1 and 15+???
How have the Haisly trucks done against ANY Mitchell truck?
Bullwagon? :'( :'(
11-06-2002, 11:41 PM
Gene i can beat Dave when his truck breaks!! lol You crack me up!! Keep on spinnin!
11-06-2002, 11:54 PM
hehehhehehe ;D<br>You may address me as Sled Puller King!
11-07-2002, 09:15 AM
Sledpuller, I think I talked to you earlier about a Centerforce,<br>Amen. I have a centerforce that is supposed to hold 800ft lbs of Tq. Well I don't have 800 ftlbs but I am close. around 770. I pull a lot of trailers with hay and cattel, and tractors. some loads gety really heavy. To make a long story short. The centerforce lasted a mounth. maybe. And now I can slip it any time I want.<br> [yuk] [yuk] [yuk] [yuk] [yuk] >:( >:( >:( >:( <br>that is all I have to say about that.<br>Aaron
11-07-2002, 08:03 PM
Gene is the head cheerleader!! I just stated a fact Gene. I haven't personally run one of Mitchell's clutches,but know of a few who have. I didn't say they were junk...but they aren't the only one out there.<br><br>Oh by the way Gene...Kent had a Haisley comp clutch at Scheid's when he crushed your IDOL!! The same one the rest of us use. 1 and 15+?? Blah,blah. Too bad he melted down,eh? You're right Gene...he didn't need to spank EVERYONE two nights in a row.<br><br>Ahh....Jesup could be interesting.<br>
11-07-2002, 11:30 PM
Ahhh, theres my buddy!<br><br>I hope you come to Jesup, be nice to kick yer butt 2 MORE times this year!<br>You should be safe- Fuller won't come all that way, so you can get closer to the winners! LOL!!<br><br>You would think Scheid could afford a good clutch, eh? ;D
11-08-2002, 07:51 AM
This thread is great!!<br>Gene, dont think you need to hold anything back here!! [laugh] ;D<br><br>--Justin
11-08-2002, 07:13 PM
I wish I could come to Jesup,Gene. Too bad my motor is sitting on the floor in my barn. But you'll be delighted to know that the IN posse will be well represented!
You only kicked my butt ONE time! And Fuller only put a foot on me with his twins and a free ride!
I love ya Gene!!
11-09-2002, 10:14 PM
You are right! One time it was! You was skeered to go up to the big class! HA!<br><br>Keep in mind I'm 2-2 VS. the Scheid truck. 8)
11-10-2002, 09:13 AM
Keep in mind Gene that we only hooked together once this year. And that was only the second pull with the new truck. With one charger. I can't wait for next June!<br><br>2-2 vs Schieds?? Hell I've got a better record than that!!
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