View Full Version : Clutch Question
12-01-2002, 06:24 PM
Ok so I know this has been beat to death, but I am so close to loosing my clutch that I need to know what to do.<br><br>First of all, I want a clutch that can hold 120hsp injectors. By the way this is for a 99 dually. I also want to go a comp box and wire. From there I am looking at another turbo, and down the line maybe twins. I also want to pull a couple times of year at the local events. What clutch do I need and still hold all the ponies? Any help is appreciated!!
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12-01-2002, 07:36 PM
Read my sig, for the South bend clutch. I can't remember the web site, but I know someone will, or do a search on the net and you will find them. Give them a call!!! I love mine!<br><br>Kimrey
12-01-2002, 08:04 PM
If you want to pull at all, a SB won't cut it. Don't mess around call www.enterpriseengine.com this clutch will hold everything you can throw at it, or pull behind it, including 45,000#+ sleds.<br><br>Later, Rob
12-02-2002, 04:40 AM
Hired Gun, You know were to go, Black Mountain Diesel<br><br>Tom and Will put my South Bend 13" Con Fe in Saturday and it's awesome. <br><br>Tom will hook you up. :)<br><br>DB
<br>Hired Gun, You know were to go, Black Mountain Diesel<br><br>Tom and Will put my South Bend 13" Con Fe in Saturday and it's awesome. <br><br>Tom will hook you up. :)<br><br>DB<br><br><br>I second that
12-02-2002, 10:40 AM
I know where to go. I just wanted to see if anyone had done this. Some people think the South Bend will slip alot with what I want to do. I will call Will today and get some prices. Thanks.
12-02-2002, 10:42 AM
I talked to doug at Enterprise engine and he said thay can make single disk pulling clutch that is good for a couple of pulls a year for around 1,000 bucks. That is the clutch I'm looking at.
12-02-2002, 11:03 AM
Thanks dodgeman01. I want to make the right decision the first time around. I dont want to be out another pile of money in the near future.
12-02-2002, 11:05 AM
Call Will but i'm pretty sure that southbend won't warranty against the sled. I personally like their clutches too but if you want to sled pull and care about a warranty i don't think they are the way to go.
12-02-2002, 01:56 PM
Ok DarrelB. Tell me how wonderful it is. I just talked to Will and he told me about the warranty issue. He says its an awesome clutch. You have had time to drive one around. How is it. How does it feel. Anything like a stock. What? :)
South Bend Clutch
12-02-2002, 06:03 PM
I would like to step in here if you don't mind. Our clutches are not designed for sled pulling. We will be releasing our sled pulling clutch for the upcoming season. However, there are two ways to play the game. If you are in it to win and beat the big boys you must first build your truck to do so and a pulling clutch is needed. Be ready for major exspence because to play the game you will need deep pockets as I am sure that ANY of the people doing it will testify to. Now, if you want to be a novist and do it once in a while all you have to remember is...5sp 2 low, 6sp 3 low and get off the pedal. Any well built clutch will handle this. I have even seen the stock clutch survive for a while. It is all up to the driver...if it is not designed to be a slipper clutch DON'T SLIP IT for an extended period of time. That being said, guy's, Gene AKA (sled puller) has done that and been there and knows what he is talking about. He is very sharp and can help you get to that level if that is what you are striving for. We have a bunch of people in Utah (even though we don't warrenty for it) that are using our FE clutch for sled pulling. I tell them no and they say yes. They get off the clutch and let the power do the rest. One guy won the over all points for the year and put over 60 pulls on the same FE clutch. Ken Jones of Diesel Performance has over 30 pulls on his. His phone # is 1-801-791-2328. I would suggest a call to him if you intend on useing our clutch for this type of treatment. To put it in a nutshell...to play the game right (to win) this is not the clutch for you. For now if you intend on doing a large amount of pulls I would suggest the Mitchell or Haisly (PULLING) clutch. Do not let someone talk you into a clutch by saying it is good for a couple of pulls a year. That is someone trying to get the sale and will tell you when you burn it up that you were not pulling right.
I hope this helps, ask questions and make the right choice. Most of all be happy with the choice you make, that is what makes these boards so awesome, if you make the wrong choice you only have yourself to blame.
12-02-2002, 09:34 PM
Thanks South Bend Clutch. It is valuable info. I have talked to lots of people in the past few weeks and they say the same things. They say it is good for a few pulls a year if you do it right. You just can't put a beginner behind the wheel and say drive. I can't run with the deep pockets people. I have two of the worst paying jobs in the country. Teaching and Farming. Both are going to cause a drinking problem. Hehehehehehehehe. [laugh]. I do want to run three pulls this year though. Rest of the time I pull a 25ft Corn pro around with fertilizer and equipment. Thanks again.
12-02-2002, 09:55 PM
Hired Gun,<br><br>All's I can say is Wow. ;D<br><br>The clutch is awesome. The pedal feel is lighter than stock and the ingaugement is great. 8) It's going to take a little getting used to but I think I'm really gonna like it in about a month. :) It might be a bit grabby backing up a loaded trailer in High side so I'll be using low a bit more, but this spring I'm going to purchase a 2low kit to make this easier.<br><br>I researched clutches for about a year to find the right one for my driving style and I'm sure I found it. 8) It was a toss up between two, the Mitchell dualdisc pulling clutch and the South Bend 13" Fe. The deciding factor was the anyoing chattering the pulling clutch makes. ::) That noise just drives me nucking futts. ;)<br><br>Peter man, you make one awesome clutch. :P
Stroke This 24V
12-02-2002, 09:56 PM
I have had all the above clutches mentioned and I will have to say that the SBC is one HE!! of a clutch but as I was dishing out the money for a good street clutch I realized that I wanted to sled pull. I looked into a Haisley clutch but didn't like the design as you have to hang weights on the forks when you pull and if you want it aggresive and to drive it on the street you need to remove some weights to have better driveability, to me that is too much work. I tried the single disc Mitchell clutch and did not like it as it was too grabby for daily use. I now have a Mitchell Dual Disc clutch and the streetability is outstanding and if I am running around town and someone ask me if I want to go to a pull all I have to do is drive on the track and hook no messing with weights or the such.<br><br>Ask member DarrellB he was @ Lanesville and I pulled a pulling truck there and unhooked the trailer and took my truck down and pulled it with no adjustments. Got third there got beat by another Enterprise truck and a cheating Ford dumping water to make the sled slide better.<br><br>If I was looking for a clutch that will work as a daily user and didn't want to do it again I would go with Mitchells Dual Disc and there warranty is killer just like SBC. I broke a floater plate and they were backed up with work and got me in within a two day notice
12-02-2002, 09:58 PM
<br>I talked to doug at Enterprise engine and he said thay can make single disk pulling clutch that is good for a couple of pulls a year for around 1,000 bucks. That is the clutch I'm looking at.<br><br><br>Dodgeman01,<br><br>I looked into that single disc pulling clutch as well but was told you have to purchase the fully splined mainshaft as well and that peace alone is $800. :o And on top of that I was also told the pedal preasure is also very hard and would ware you out in traffic. :(<br><br>Just something else to consider. :)<br><br>DB
12-02-2002, 10:24 PM
Good to hear darrell. I was really riding the fence on this one. I know Mitchell has great stuff, but most people depend on SBC's. At least around my area. I can't wait for the bombing to begin. SMOKE, SMOKE, SMOKE [eyecrazy]
12-02-2002, 10:34 PM
I just wish I had 1,700 dollars floating around.
12-02-2002, 10:37 PM
$1,700. For what? If your talking a pulling clutch I understand. A SBC is not that bad.
12-02-2002, 10:39 PM
yep for the Mittchel pulling clutch.
Hey gun it just so happens that I'm in college to be a history teacher and I farm about 500 acers *sp* up here in Ohio. Mostly Black Angus cows but some beans wheat and corn. some tobacco too
12-03-2002, 07:40 AM
Great. I am glad I went to college. I had an awesome time. Too much fun some semesters. [laugh] At least I know two of us are mental!!!
12-03-2002, 09:51 AM
I really like the college I'm in. I go to the U of Cincinnati.
12-03-2002, 10:06 AM
Go Bearcats you say. Cool. I teach in Pendleton County Kentucky. Just about 30 minutes from you. Have you been to Black Mountain Diesel in Cynthiana, KY? It is an hour from Cincy.
12-03-2002, 10:22 AM
Yep I was down there for the dyno day a few weeks ago.<br>Going back this weekend to pick up some guages for my friend
12-03-2002, 10:27 AM
Well good. We probably talked then. Its hard to remember all the people you meet. What kind of gauges?
so have any of you clutch guys driven both the FE and the OFE products from SBC? I'm hearing from some that street drivability is better for the OFE but its not clear to me what you give up (in street drivabililty) with the FE. <br><br>One thing I have consistently heard is that the SBCs are hands down the best street clutch known to man. So thanks for that, peter! I just want to know if I will hate the FE feel, or if the OFE will feel better and still be strong enough. It needs to handle an Edge comp and DD 2's, towing, as well as some street smiles. I'd like to do an occasional 3rd gear start off the line, but I need a stock-like feel for offroad use. and I really hate chattering, grabbing clutches. <br><br>could someone describe the street behavior of the FE and OFE clutches, considering:<br><br>* towing, including reverse in 2H<br>* street drivability, grabbing/chattering, etc.<br>* offroad drivability<br>* ability to handle a 3rd gear start.<br>
12-03-2002, 01:10 PM
Doug I think DarrellB loves his. you might pm him to find out more. I am going with the Con Fe. I pull a 25ft flat and load all sorts of things on it. I also want to have jack rabbit starts and smoke the guys beside and behind me. HEHEHEHEHEHE.
12-03-2002, 02:58 PM
<br>or if the OFE will feel better and still be strong enough. It needs to handle an Edge comp and DD 2's, towing, as well as some street smiles. I'd like to do an occasional 3rd gear start <br><br>could someone describe the street behavior of the FE and OFE clutches, considering:<br><br>* towing, including reverse in 2H<br>* street drivability, grabbing/chattering, etc.<br>* offroad drivability<br>* ability to handle a 3rd gear start.<br><br><br>Hey Doug,<br><br>The OFE, for the kind of power you're talking about, is going to be ideal for your situation. Lots of holding power, without the grabbiness that you're trying to avoid. The OFE is going to feel very similar to a stock clutch, whether you're on or off-road. Its not recommended, but if you have to, you can ride the OFE a bit as well, which can be handy for backing a trailer in 2WD.<br><br>The FE, on the other hand, is also a fairly smooth clutch, but it definitely is grabbier than stock. You won't be able to ride an FE clutch, so if you need to back slow, you're finding yourself in 4-lo (or a 2-lo kit). In an off-road situation, you'll also find yourself in 4-lo faster than you would with an OFE.<br><br>Either clutch will handle a 3rd gear start, but keep in mind that no matter what clutch you have, its going to be harder on it.<br><br>Personally, I'm a huge fan of Peter's FE clutches however they are not a 'consumer' clutch. I tend to treat an FE more like a tractor clutch. Get off the clutch, or get on the clutch. ;D You'll need to use your gears (including 4-lo) more. And another thing to bear in mind is that an FE clutch isn't going to seat properly if you don't have enough power going through it. For break-in, an FE wants to be driven so it'll seat. The OFE's break-in power requirement is lower, and as such, I think thats where you'll want to be.<br><br>Rod
Great comments, Rod. that helps a lot. my only concern with the OFE is that the SBC site lists it as a 400 HP product and I thought it might be 'on the edge' in its ability to hold an HO truck with DD2's and an Edge comp box. <br><br>BTW, my stock clutch holds with EZ power as long as I dont' let it get too warm. it doesn't like to run hot! So tell me, where would I get one of these OFE's installed on SW Idaho or SE Oregon?
12-03-2002, 06:30 PM
What Rod said. :)<br><br>I've not driven my Fe much yet but I'm getting used to it.<br><br>I'm pushing about 350Hp right now but will in the future be adding more so that's why I went with the FE instead of the OFE. The clutch is deffenently not like the stock clutch, but you get used to the grabbyness really quick. ;) <br><br>I'm gonna get a 2low kit and put in to aid in backing the larger loads but other than that it is one awesome clutch. Right now you can't take off in 2nd, it gets kinda jerky but I think if I use a little more throttle it will work. I just didn't want to get too carried away until I got the clutch seated properly. ;)<br><br>DB
12-03-2002, 07:42 PM
I am getting excited. The 13th is when BMD is doing my FE. I am going to drive the wheels off after that. I was told to drive in as much stop and go traffic as possible for a few days. Is that true? ???
12-03-2002, 09:31 PM
HG, It says to drive it aggresively to seat the clutch disc. ;)<br><br>I've been driving the two lane roads to work this week to keep the pressure on it. :)<br><br>I said earlier that I couldn't take off in 2nd anymore, but tonight on the way to work I did it 3 times with no troubles. It just takes some getting used to.<br><br>Keep getting excited cause you'll love it. ;D<br><br>DB
12-04-2002, 12:29 AM
My Joe Donnelly re-engineered Sachs has served me well for 55,000 miles, with several thousand of those towing my 24 ft TT. I'm running a "01 ETH/DEE last dynoed at 477 hp.
<br>My Joe Donnelly re-engineered Sachs has served me well for 55,000 miles, with several thousand of those towing my 24 ft TT. I'm running a "01 ETH/DEE last dynoed at 477 hp.<br><br><br>cool. tell us how you achived 477 please!
12-04-2002, 09:39 AM
Darrell I am about to bust. I am counting the days (9), hours (216). I am looking forward to the fun I will have on the road.
12-04-2002, 09:55 AM
<br>Great comments, Rod. that helps a lot. my only concern with the OFE is that the SBC site lists it as a 400 HP product and I thought it might be 'on the edge' in its ability to hold an HO truck with DD2's and an Edge comp box.<br><br>Peter rates that OFE fairly conservatively. There are a number of folks running four n' a quarter through an OFE, without any problems. With your planned combo, I'd say you're in good shape. If you should decide you need more, then you'll eventually have to step up to an FE, but I'd guess you'd still get a pile of miles from the OFE.<br><br>Any competent tranny shop should be able to handle an install. Make sure you stress that the flywheel grind is not a standard taper grind. You want a smooth, flat (no taper) stone grind. As for an actual dealer in those areas, check the South Bend distrubutor link on their page.<br><br>Rod
12-05-2002, 11:32 AM
Darrell I drive aggressive now. I run the donkey pi$$ out of the stocker. I will have upgrades when this takes place. Will I have to tone it back some? I Know not to give it everything she will have. Do I shift alot and things of that nature.
12-05-2002, 09:57 PM
I've been driving it hard since the install and haven't felt it slip yet. It says in the instructions that it will slip a little at first till it's seated but I guess I don't have enough power to make it slip. :)<br><br>I've been driving the two lane roads a lot this week just to very the loads on the clutch and shift it just like a would in normal every day driving (kinda hard shifts). 8)<br><br>I would say give it all you got when it's installed, I don't think you'll have to worry about slipping it.<br><br>DB
12-06-2002, 07:17 AM
Thanks Darrell. By then I will have added 140 hsp. injectors, and a tst box. Like Toms. I have no idea what hsp. gains I will actually have. Any clue?
12-06-2002, 06:49 PM
Not really sure, but I would think close to 420hp or maybe more.<br><br>DB
12-07-2002, 12:37 PM
Thanks Darrel. Come see us again soon. :)
12-09-2002, 12:25 AM
<br>I Now, if you want to be a novist and do it once in a while all you have to remember is...5sp 2 low, 6sp 3 low and get off the pedal.(This will help your clutch live, but you will look like a ;Dputz, becuase every stock PSD with an auto will pound you) <br><br>Any well built clutch will handle this. I have even seen the stock clutch survive for a while. It is all up to the driver...if it is not designed to be a slipper clutch DON'T SLIP IT for an extended period of time. (Sometimes, even when you almost stall the engine, single disc clutches will not hold)<br><br>That being said, guy's, Gene AKA (sled puller) has done that and been there and knows what he is talking about.(The DRE I had, I went out of my way not to slip it,meaning, Fords pounded me, and it still melted. Too Bad I didn't try a SBC) He is very sharp and can help you get to that level if that is what you are striving for. Peter<br>(ya, I'ma genious, that is why I am abusing my truck like this.)<br><br><br>If you want to pull more than twice in your life and not get beat by stock Fords, better get a Mitchell clutch.
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