KeithSmith13

I am looking at buying a Bully Dog Outlook to go with a Edge EZ. Can some one give me some feedback on the Outlook. How well you like it, How well it works, and how it looks mounted and where. If you have a way to send me pictures of the installation please message me and I will send you a e-mail address. Thanks Keith

AK RAM

The Outlook is like an information warehouse with all of the neat things it does, but it is lacking some critical sensor readings to make it a practical set of gauges. I have the Outlook and the X-Monitor. I like the looks of the Outlook better. Easier to read (crisper display), great backlight for night viewing and the sun doesn't wash it out like my X-Monitor. The Outlook has a lot of really cool features, but again most are useless as they are either not that practical as far as relevant information you can use (just eye candy gee wiz stuff), or they are not very accurate, like max boost. The Outlook is not available with trans temp and lift pump fuel pressure, which are important to some folks. I bring this up so you can think about where you would put additional gauges to monitor these areas if you want everything that you need. That may be the deciding factor to purchase or not. BullyDog is said to have a new software version for the Outlook that corrects some of the "inaccuracies", but can't confirm. If you end up buying one, might want to get it from BullyDog so you are sure to get a fresh unit with the latest software.

I have a few pictures in my gallery. The spot I ended up mounting it turned out to be the perfect place once I got it straightened up (crooked in the pictures).

There are better options out there if just gauges is your goal.

HO Cummins

Bullydog sent me a new outlook monitor last week with the updated software. Max boost is now max boost. Also the truck selection is much clearer now than with the previous model. Defueling % is same as before. I was hoping 0% would be like stock but it is below that. However before it didn't defuel instantly when you set the pyro warning, but now its instant.

I have dealt with a lot of diesel aftermarket companies, but honestly Bullydog has gone above and beyond to remedy any problems I have had. For instance When I first installed the outlook I ripped a bunch of wires out of the connector on accident. They sent me a new one the day i called them no charge. Then a few weeks ago i got a PM from them asking for my address so they can send me a new updated Outlook. They even sent me an extra pyro coupler so i could run pre and post at no charge. Needless to say, I am very impressed. My hats off to them
Dave

doug

pls explain further. what change did they make?

Kyle Graham

Bully dog made the outlook more accurate and worked out the glitches I returned all the stock I had just so my customers didn't have to deal with it I have many on the way they should be here next week

AK RAM

I finally pulled mine off today and sent it in for the update. So far, here are the inaccuracies I noted from my original Outlook:

1. MAX boost didn't work. Regardless of actual boost, MAX boost never registered more than about 28lbs.
2. Pyro 1 reading to hot. Seems the hotter the temps are, the more it was off. On a WOT run, it would show a temp almost 250*F higher than actual.
3. Rail pressure reading not accurate. No matter what program was loaded, even the tow program which is not suppose to raise pressure, it always showed 3,000 PSI increase across the board.
4. EGT based defueling needs refining. If I set it to defuel at 1200*F, it would start to defuel when I hit that temp, but wouldn't cut enough fuel to actually stop the EGT rise until temps were well over the 1300*F mark. That is just too big of a gap.

These are the issues that I complained about and Bully Dog said all of them have been identified and fixed except for the high pyro reading. They said they haven't had reports of the pyro being off. Just for FYI, I did swap the probe over to the Pyro 2 leads and it shows the correct temp, so the problem is in the Outlook and not the probe itself.

Hopefully I will have it back by mid week next week and I'll post on whether they took care of these or not. Now if I could just talk them in to adding trans temp and oil pressure. I also sent in my Power Pup and had it reflashed to take care of the flat spot.

PourinDiesel

So is bully dog just gonna program in higher boost numbers??

doug

what readings are you getting? there are only three ways of getting some sort of rail pressure measurement:

1. use the analog on-board sender. argubly the most accurate, but limited to measurements below approximately 26,000 according to my data. Any box or module or monitor that uses this interface is blind to pressures higher than the on board sender saturation point, which on my truck is 26,100 PSI. And there is compelling evidence that actual pressure significantly exceeds this figure, since it takes only 40 horspower (vi pressure fooling) to reach 26,000 PSI. The outlook monitor, if it reads "actual" pressure off of the CAN-bus, is also limited to this figure because the measurement originates from the analog sender.

2. Read the actual and/or commanded fuel pressure off of the bus, report one or the other, or make some assuptive calcuation. This cannot be accurate either because we have no verification that the CP3 is capable of acheiving the commanded pressure. Any module or monitor that uses this method is limited by the fact that commanded pressure may not be acheived. Indeed, the only way to verify that commanded pressure is acheived is to see if the ECM is satisfied. but beyond 26,000 PSI the ECM can NEVER be satisfied (becasue of (1) above) so this means there is no way to verify that commanded pressure is actually acheived.

3. hang a mechanical gauge on the rail or independantly test the CP3. of course the outlook monitor itself doesn't do this, but without this verification, the way I interpret my own experimental data is that no box or module on the planet can truthfully or accurately report what rail pressures above 26,000 actually are. Its just not possible without independant verification. And I am currently at a loss to explain how any manufacturer can declare maximum rail pressure unless such verification has been performed.

AK RAM

The Outlook gets that reading from the CAN-bus. Remember some time ago I posted that the Outlook is showing approx 6K at idle and 26,500 at WOT? Well, at that point I had used nothing but the extreme program, and although it was rather high, that reading made sense at the time. Since then, I have tried the other programs and the Outlook always shows the exact same rail pressure readings regardless of which program is in. And wouldn't you know it, it shows the exact same readings stock….with no program loaded.

It may never be 100% accurate, but I at least want it to work. I expect to see something in the neighborhood of mid-3K at idle when stock.

OT-OF-Here

I trialed the DL for a week and I didn't have the Outlook. I have the X-Monitor, which I am reasonably sure is accurate as it matched another manufacturers gauge exactly. Where I'm going is that on Performance setting I read 28lbs as you stated above. So I'm thinking perhaps the Boost was working,...don't know, but it was a match to what I saw. That was WOT at 90+mph. Like you, after trialing other boxes, it doesn't seem like the DL is providing sufficient boost.

AK RAM

The downloader is actually building plenty of boost on my truck. My problem is the Outlook Monitor just isn't reporting it. I have an X-Monitor as well. With my wastegate set up to cap boost at right at 40lbs, the downloader has no problem building 40lbs of boost for me….and I could get more easy. The Outlook Monitor is just not reporting accurate numbers. I use my X-Monitor for boost numbers and the Outlook for other features so it really isn't an issue for me. I just thought other people would like to know what problems I have had with this product.

Given that you said you trialed the downloader and I don't see it in your signature….you didn't like it?

GLFNDUDE

I have the outlook and the bddl the dl is awesome, i had some of the original issues with max boost lock up and mine was high on egt cal check it with a thermocouple calabrator was off 75 deg the safety defuel was to much and could only use the 100% & the 75% anything else made it flat on the throttle <<<<<<<< Called bullydog and they took care of it shipping and all sent me a new mont and all of the issues are cured the only issue is at idle it shows 1.2 #of boost not zero but bullydog said nessary for cal but it is accurate elseware.

AK RAM

I have received the downloader back but haven't messed with it yet....been playing with other boxes. I have yet to receive my Outlook back. I'm really looking forward to the EGT readings and adjustable power settings working properly on the Outlook. Time will tell.

I just picked my truck up from the shop today after getting some work done. The tech flashed my ECM with several updates (without my permission mind you ). They didn’t mention anything about the downloader or about anything looking screwy, and you know they looked after seeing whats under the hood . I didn’t talk to him, so I don’t know if he didn’t see any evidence of it, or if he did and just didn’t know what it was…being a new product. Another one where time will tell.

doug

stock idle runs at just under 5000 PSI when hot. It should just touch 23,000 or so at WOT high RPMs.

If the outlook monitor gets its info from the CAN bus, then it can be no more accurate than the information found on this interface. two things come to mind; first of all, the maximum reading you will get from the on board sensor is 26,100 +/- a few. so if the monitor is reading actual rail pressure (like DRB III does) it will be limited to this value. note that this 26,000 PSI figure is good for about 40 horsepower increase due to rail pressure.

My point here is that the monitor should be accurate unless you stack a pressure box with the downloader. if it reads info right from the CAN bus, it should get it right. probably, Bullydog will figure it out. if they are bumping up the pressure to obtain 30 horsepower, then the on board rail pressure reading should work, and you should read about 5,000 at idle and about 26,000 at WOT. stock is another story of course, as we all know it is limited to 23,000 + some change.

But don't expect anything accurate above 26,000 or so. the measurement system is blind above that point.

Don M

I commonly see a 3.8 to 4 volt reading on the 04.5. A bit higher than 23,000.

Don~