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Old 06-23-2007, 09:15 PM
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Broken Banjo Line

On the injection pump, to the right of the diaphram, is a banjo bolt with a u-shaped line that attached to a 90* elbow attached to the intake manifold, (I think it's the intake manifold).

I noticed the line is broken where it attaches to the banjo bolt. I had noticed a fuel smell for about a week prior, but the Cummins seemed to start and run normally. There wasn't a noticable leak either.

How can this be fixed? Can I go to Cummins and get a new part?

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Old 06-23-2007, 09:23 PM
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Cummins should have the part , fixing is a have to see it , silver solder , some times ,
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That's the boost line to the AFC, that's why you can't see a leak. Nothing but air in there. Like John said, you might be able to solder it, but you can get a new one from Cummins. You will be pleasantly surprised with the increase in power when you finish your repair.
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PM Me your address and Ill drop one in the mail. Ive got 2 or 3 that I replaced with different hose etc... when I installed a valet switch
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A Big Thanks!

Thank you!, you truly are a nice guy! As are all of you who've helped me this this and other issues.
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Originally Posted by wannadiesel
That's the boost line to the AFC, that's why you can't see a leak. Nothing but air in there. Like John said, you might be able to solder it, but you can get a new one from Cummins. You will be pleasantly surprised with the increase in power when you finish your repair.
Mine isn't broken that I know of, BUT it does spin in the fitting at the intake. Any chance it shouldn't do this, is causing a vacuum leak, and possibly the cause of low performance on my rig?
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If tightening that fitting does not lock it down, then replace the gasket in the fitting.
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Originally Posted by wannadiesel
If tightening that fitting does not lock it down, then replace the gasket in the fitting.
What I meant is where the tube goes vertically into the fitting on the intake is loose. When I removed the banjo to access the AFC & pump cover, the tube simply pivoted out of the way... the fitting in the intake & banjo are both tight.

If that's what you read too, tell me about the gasket! Is it like an o-ring in the fitting that accepts the tube? Or something else?
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I think I need a picture .
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Originally Posted by John Faughn
I think I need a picture .
Where the tube meets the intake 90* fitting... the tube spins inside this fitting and *easily* spins rearward to clear AFC housing once the banjo bolt is removed. IOW, the banjo fitting will swing almost rearward/back against the intake.

Should it? (figure there *may* be some movement allowed so it doesn't break)
Or shouldn't it? (and subsequently leaking?)

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You ought to be able to lock it down pretty tight by tightening the nut. They will swivel, but it ought to take some effort to move.
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Smile Banjo Fixed!

I got the replacement fitting installed today. (Thanks, NYCEGY01!)

In checking the broken end, the break was all tarnished, so it had been that way for some time. I only saw it because I was fiddling with my wiring. A good thing to check because you really wouldn't notice it if it just cracked.

The tube can swivel when the intake fitting is loose.

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Originally Posted by CowRazy
The tube can swivel when the intake fitting is loose.
So if it's moving with ease, the fitting needs tightening, and there's a fair assumption it could be leaking?
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Originally Posted by Caver Dave
So if it's moving with ease, the fitting needs tightening, and there's a fair assumption it could be leaking?
Yep, it's a leaking. 13mm wrench at the cylinder head, 12mm on the banjo bolt. Do not overtighten!!

I've heard one can tap the afc cover for 1/8npt then eliminate the hard metal afc line with 1/8npt tubing and fittings on each end.

Caver Dave, you got some cap screws missing on that afc cover .
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Originally Posted by bgilbert
Yep, it's a leaking. 13mm wrench at the cylinder head, 12mm on the banjo bolt. Do not overtighten!!

I've heard one can tap the afc cover for 1/8npt then eliminate the hard metal afc line with 1/8npt tubing and fittings on each end.

Caver Dave, you got some cap screws missing on that afc cover .
Thanks BG... I thought there might be "something" not quite right with the ol' gal. "Luckily" I got a set of metricated gear wrenches for fathers day...

Greg (BigWaylon) says the 8mm banjo is PFC to 1/16" NPT... I'd already though about swapping out the hardline for something a bit newer

Uh, that pic is from the 3200 spring install sticky! (was at work and remembered seeing the tube in question)


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