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Mike Holmen
08-25-2009, 11:23 PM
I had my special order 09 truck was cancelled. I been told that I can't buy an 2010 truck yet, what gives. I might just buy a used truck and heck with the drama. Lots of good used truck buys out there. I saw a few website that show pics on the new truck, but how knows if its just 1500. I hope that the rebait applies new 2010 build as well.[laugh]

polcat
08-29-2009, 09:04 PM
Hey Mike,

I'll reply to your post (it's been awhile and I've actually received an email from TDR saying that I haven't posted in awhile, so I guess this reply serves two purposes). I've been wanting an 4x4 Cummins equipped 2500 since the megacabs came out in 06. As you can see, I own an 02 gasser that is in pretty much mint condition, low miles (76k), and is paid off. She sounds great with the dumped exhaust and runs well. I don't tow anything as I don't have any type of trailer. However, I do tow when we move (military). I do haul stuff from time to time, but again, not often enough. The problem is with the DPF equipped trucks and is one of the reasons why I haven't jumped on the boat and purchased a new diesel (again, I wouldn't be working the truck hard enough). Use as a daily driver for the most part would prove to be a waste of a $6000 option (or is it more now I think?). I think Dodge has done a great job with the new HDs and I am really considering getting one after our next move (I'll have a higher mortgage payment once we buy our next house, so we'll see if I really can afford a new truck, gotta pay off the wife's new Acadia first). I think if Dodge went with the urea system instead of the DPF solution, things would be much better for all. So, I'll probably be looking at a 2500 mega with, sorry to say it, Hemi. I don't mind removing the EGR and DPF, but I don't want to void my warranty and have to worry about Uncle Sam, which means I'd keep my truck stock with maybe an Edge chip (again thanks Dodge for the bootloader software now, grr). We'll, I've probably fulfilled my duty to reply and then some, but I can't wait to see and test drive the new HDs.

pind
08-30-2009, 12:32 AM
I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but on the ISB cummins, the SCR system (urea) is used in conjunction with the DPF and EGR, not in place of it as most people think.

The SCR system injects urea directly into the exhaust stream, within the DPF itself.

So, we will still have EGR issues, and DPF issues, and gosh darn, we get SCR issues to add to the mix. Gotta love technology.

That said, SCR has been extensively tested in Europe, with good results. However, they didn't have north american engineering added to the mix, just to goof things up.

polcat
08-30-2009, 08:55 AM
Pind,
Yes, I'm aware that the SCR will not replace the DPF, yeah, lets make it more complicated. If only we'd used the technology overseas over here. We have to make things harder than they need to be.

Mike Holmen
08-30-2009, 09:21 AM
I had the dealer do a custom build similar to my 2009. The new 2010 truck is worth around $69k[duhhh]The build cost for my 09 was $62k.

Wow, you that much money, it should have wings.

The engine/transmission so far in the 2010 is the same as 09. A new body style. Its one nice looking truck, but pricey. It even has the heated/cooled seat like the 1500. I've heard about urea is gonna be used on the diesel.

To bad that they cann't build a clean gaser as well.[laugh] Some of the highway trucks already have the urea in use.

Jeff K
08-31-2009, 07:19 PM
The scheduled date for the start of manufacturing of the 2010 HD trucks is Sept 28th from the Allpar site.

Mike Holmen
08-31-2009, 09:19 PM
I'm suprised that there isn't too much info on the truck available? The dealer just had few pieces of info on the truck? I wonder when the aftermarket can get a decent lift kit for the truck?

Maddog411
09-02-2009, 08:35 AM
I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but on the ISB cummins, the SCR system (urea) is used in conjunction with the DPF and EGR, not in place of it as most people think.

The SCR system injects urea directly into the exhaust stream, within the DPF itself.

So, we will still have EGR issues, and DPF issues, and gosh darn, we get SCR issues to add to the mix. Gotta love technology.

That said, SCR has been extensively tested in Europe, with good results. However, they didn't have north american engineering added to the mix, just to goof things up.

That makes no sense, one of the big selling points of the 6.7 when it came out was that is was the only diesel out of the big 3 that was already 2010 compliant. If so why the hell would they need to change it and add this ****-in-my-engine technology to it???

polcat
09-02-2009, 09:34 AM
I would think that the point is, we have an already complicated emissions system to what may be made even more complicated by adding urea-injection. What I think should've been done is stay away from the problem-causing DPF and go with the urea-injection from the get go. I would reather deal with an urea tank than the DPF. It probably would be better for those of us who want a diesel but don't do much towing. SCR should've been allowed in the US. For example, DaimlerChrysler AG has reported 7% increase in fuel economy with SCR over DPF & EGR equipped diesel trucks without and difference in torque. You gotta be kidding me, it's pretty obvious the route that should've been taken. Blame the EPA.

Article: http://fleetowner.com/equipment/news/europe_scr_truck_diesel_emission/

peobryant
09-02-2009, 10:05 AM
Is there an article showing where the 6.7 Cummins is going to use urea? I haven't heard anything about it, and like said, they are already 2010 compliant without it, so I cannot see them adding it for no reason.

Gbuilders
09-02-2009, 11:27 AM
Is there an article showing where the 6.7 Cummins is going to use urea? I haven't heard anything about it, and like said, they are already 2010 compliant without it, so I cannot see them adding it for no reason.


I thought they were adding the Urea to the 6.7 in the cab and chassis only is what I've heard. Not sure why since the 6.7 is 2010 compliant.

Has anyone heard how much $$$ the new truck are going up from last year to the new body styles?

Mike Holmen
09-02-2009, 11:40 AM
This is canadian dollars, my 09 order was $62k and the 10 was $69k. Same options, just more $$$

I bet mid year, the urea will be on the truck. If its not this year, it will be shortly. Progress[laugh] This isn't about fuel efficency, just clean air. I wonder when EPA are gonna get the gaser to run cleaner?[duhhh]

Blake Clark
09-03-2009, 09:35 AM
This is canadian dollars, my 09 order was $62k and the 10 was $69k. Same options, just more $$$


I about flipped out of my chair when I saw your first post! I thought that was in USD. Still a lot of money though.

I like the new trucks, they look promising, but...

Ive already spent a ton of money and had the learning curve on my 08, and will probably spend a lot more on it too. Dont want to go through all of this on another new truck.

Im keeping mine for a while.

Dr. Smasher
09-03-2009, 12:29 PM
What does SCR and DPF stand for? [redface]

Blake Clark
09-03-2009, 12:50 PM
What does SCR and DPF stand for? [redface]

SCR = Selective Catalytic Reduction

DPF = Diesel Particulate Filter

Dr. Smasher
09-03-2009, 11:08 PM
SCR = Selective Catalytic Reduction

DPF = Diesel Particulate Filter

thanks

05 Ram 3500 SRW
09-05-2009, 12:03 AM
Looked at a nice black 2500 '09 last week when i was in for an oil change. as surprised hte sticker price was only 58k (Can$) and it had side steps, and 2 or 3 other goodies for that. so that wasnt even a bare bones price.
i wanted to sit in it and drive a but but the salesman was with someone then being a fart and a mitt around the dealership so i never did ask him[roll]

AlbertaBear
09-06-2009, 12:08 AM
I ordered a 3500 SRW a few weeks ago, Laramie with just about everything on it. Dealer has serial # now, so in a few weeks I'll take it for a test drive.

Mike Holmen
09-07-2009, 05:53 PM
What price did you get? I was thinking about waiting to see what comes off the trailer. You can find Ram Jams (Canadian stuff ehh), for less that $52k, that almost everything that a Laramie. I wonder how much difference the suspension is from last year? How long till decent lift kit comes out?[duhhh]

AlbertaBear
09-08-2009, 01:11 PM
Mike:

No pricing available yet.

For us who buy at the beginning of the model year, we will pay without the larger incentives that usually comes later.

I'll get the proper price though.

Mike Holmen
09-08-2009, 01:55 PM
I was told that there is a $3k adjustment right off the bat. I'm not getting excited yet, pricing will be adjusted when they get here. I waiting for the right deal to occur before I spend my hard earned cash[laugh]

Joezilla
09-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Is there any word on the 2010's towing capabilities? Hauling capabilities?

Joe

Apache1
09-17-2009, 06:35 PM
I just ordered a 2010 3500 short bed 4x4.

turbo246
09-17-2009, 07:07 PM
I just ordered a 2010 3500 short bed 4x4.

do you even know what it looks like lol? do you have to committ to it when it comes in since they arent even out yet?

Apache1
09-17-2009, 07:46 PM
Based on what I have seen in the press the new body is not to my liking at all. I don't care for the interior either.

I buy one every two years so, I am in the replacement cycle for 2010. I care more about the motor, tranny and running gear reliability/durability than looks so I'll have to live with its styling.

My 08' 6.7 has been trouble free (so far) and after AV flash it's better. Fuel mileage was marginally better after the flash. Overhead says 18-19 mpg at western interstate speed, 13-14 towing. I'm not complaining.

There's no one here to notice its looks anyway. I just hope the 2010 is as good a truck in rough country as the 08' has been.

bob4x4
09-17-2009, 09:46 PM
The only major change for the 2010 is the body style.No urea on the pick-ups.C/Cs only.
The tstat temp has been increased from the current 190 to 200 degrees.The trans and engine controllers were separate before now they will be in one box.The fuel filter has been changed to be a top loader again for easier servicing,The 2010 will be able to get a stationary regen at the dealer instead of the old way of having to drive it for the forced regen

Apache1
09-18-2009, 08:47 AM
Thanks Bob for the insight. I was wondering about that.

Good news on the top loader fuel filter. That'll help. Any drive train suspension changes?

dieselfreak21
09-18-2009, 08:50 AM
WOW they are expensive and complicated. Congrats to anyone who get a new truck i do like the look but hate the drive train. I'll stick with my 03 and 99 or buy a gasser and drop a 12v in it.

SOhappy
09-18-2009, 01:14 PM
Is there any word on the 2010's towing capabilities? Hauling capabilities?

Joe

http://www.dodge.com/shared/2010/ram_heavy_duty/download/pdf/2010_ram_heavy_duty_specs.pdf

kokalit
09-18-2009, 04:22 PM
I'm suprised that there isn't too much info on the truck available? The dealer just had few pieces of info on the truck? I wonder when the aftermarket can get a decent lift kit for the truck?

Was over on dodgetalk.com reading info on the wife's Durango. (By the way she already said no to a new truck for me :( )

Yesterday they hosted an answer and question session with Dodge engineers specifically on the 2010 HD.

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264277

Apache1
09-18-2009, 06:37 PM
Thanks Kokalit for your very helpful post.

Appreciate the heads up.