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Old 12-08-2005, 03:01 PM
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American POW

So I have a question, and sorry if it offends anybody, im just curious..please tell me if it does and ill shut up! I heard on the news today that another American POW in Iraq was killed and the news just kinda sluffed it off like it was no big deal...well five minutes later that same newscaster was talking about the trials for the American Soldiers who tortured Iraqi POW's and made a big deal out of it....is it just me or is this unfair?
Old 12-08-2005, 03:23 PM
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Thats the media for you, it really stinks how they treat the war.
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The "POW" was not a soldier if I remember correctly.
He was a "Peace Activist" who decided to place himself in the middle of a war zone.
Not exactly the brightest move to make.
While I feel sorry for his family's loss, he voluntarily placed himself in the position that got him in trouble, and ultimately cost him his life.
The terrorist news has only "Reported" his demise, to my knowledge there has been no proof yet.

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Old 12-08-2005, 03:29 PM
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Yeah I hadnt heard that he was a civilian...sorry if im causing trouble, i just had to vent my frustrations and knew some fellow Dodgers would understand!
Old 12-08-2005, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead
The "POW" was not a soldier if I remember correctly.
He was a "Peace Activist" who decided to place himself in the middle of a war zone.
Not exactly the brightest move to make.
While I feel sorry for his family's loss, he voluntarily placed himself in the position that got him in trouble, and ultimately cost him his life.
The terrorist news has only "Reported" his demise, to my knowledge there has been no proof yet.

JMNSHO
The hostage who was reported murdered was a different guy, I think, not one of the peace activist bunch.
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From MSNBC.com:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An Iraqi insurgent group said Thursday in an Internet posting that it killed a U.S. security consultant it had taken hostage. The claim’s authenticity could not be immediately verified.
You're correct, this was a Civilian contractor.
Would that make him a POW? or just a kidnap victim?
Wouldn't he still be in a combat zone because he chose to be?
And as a non-combatant?
Can a civilian company force someone to be in a hazardous duty area?
Just wondering.

Anyway you slice it, It's still not going to be a happy time in his family.

I thought about heading over once to help rebuild the Comm infrastructure.
The BIG $$$ that was promised if one signed on would have been nice, but not worth it to me.
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead
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You're correct, this was a Civilian contractor.
Would that make him a POW? or just a kidnap victim?
Wouldn't he still be in a combat zone because he chose to be?
And as a non-combatant?
Can a civilian company force someone to be in a hazardous duty area?
Just wondering.
There are quite a few, certainly not anywhere near all, but quite a few "contractors" that are former Special Forces, Force Recon, SEAL, and FBI Hostage Rescue Team bubbas over there. The duties they are generally performing would have a tough time being defined as "non-combatant".
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead
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You're correct, this was a Civilian contractor.
Would that make him a POW? or just a kidnap victim?
Wouldn't he still be in a combat zone because he chose to be?
And as a non-combatant?
Can a civilian company force someone to be in a hazardous duty area?
Just wondering.

Anyway you slice it, It's still not going to be a happy time in his family.

I thought about heading over once to help rebuild the Comm infrastructure.
The BIG $$$ that was promised if one signed on would have been nice, but not worth it to me.
Y aought to see what they were offfering police/law enforcement.. $200K for a one year commitment, plus all expenses paid. Then they had to go and add that tehy included funeral expenses in that....
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To be given POW status, you have to be a soldier wearing a military uniform. If a contractor or civilian(or a soldier not in uniform for that matter) is captured, they are not afforded the protections of POW status under the Geneava convention. Scince we are fighting terrorists, anyone who gets captured is just "poop" out of luck.
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That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't too sure.
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I know this is not the most PC answer, but, where were these guys when Jane was running around the war zone?
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