I'm a newby here but I jumped out there a bought a '92 dually in California & I'm in Tennessee. You can probably see it on ebay. I've not owned a diesel before so now I have to decide, within a couple of days, whether to fly out and drive it back or have it shipped to me. I think the shipping will kill a thousand dollar bill. My thoughts on driving are about filters, lift pumps, front end being worn out, fuel costs,how much a break down could cost me, etc. Anybody have some thoughts or suggestions that can help me out? Thanks, packratc

Thats a good question. If the truck was a daily driver, and it was in reasonable driving condition, it might be fun to drive it back. It would be nice to have a place to do some maintenance in CA before you go, such as fuel filter and oil change (where in CA is it?). I guess I'd look at not so much financially, but the adventure side of the equation. If you have 3-4 days of free time and the $$$ to buy a plane ticket, fuel, lodging, etc., and want to drive 3/4 of the way across the country, then that might be worth it. Thinking purely financially, shipping is probably more economical if the goal is simply to get the truck to you.

My main concerns would be the tranmission and injection pump. Those are the two thing that are high dollar if they go out on a long trip,they more than likely wont though. I wouldn't hesitate to drive that far. Most everything on these old trucks is simple to repair and parts can be had easily.

Is this the nice white one for $9500? That is a nice looking truck!

That being said, you're definitely taking a big risk buying it sight unseen and then hopping in and driving it such a long distance. Chances are, it'd make it just fine and you'd have a great trip and a great story. BUT, if you didn't...man I could see that being a nightmare. These trucks are fairly easy to maintain, and pretty straightforward, but if you're not familiar with the systems, something stupid like one of the very few wires could pop off the engine and leave you stranded, and you wouldn't know where to look to fix it.

I bought my truck a few years back from a guy who took GREAT care of it. Undercoated, Amsoil its whole life, etc...

the auto tranny exploded on me one day with no warning signs, just BOOM! at a light and the housing was shattered and fluid all over the road. Luckily it wasn' far from my house so I was able to have it towed home and sit there until I could source out the parts for a manual swap. Otherwise, I'd probably have to have had it towed to a tranny shop and had a $3500+ refurb tranny installed.

Anyway, let us know what you decide, and spend some time going through the sticky thread at the top of the forum. Lots of good useful info in there.

If you had to pick a vehicle to buy and drive sight unseen across the continent, you picked the right one.

I bought a ragged, unmaintained and thoroughly used high mileage w250 and drove it 1300 miles loaded with 2500 lbs of gear on her back... she did it without complaint, with power and decent mpg. Needed serious brake work, rear drive line u-joints, and a maintenance baseline on every component. Many things wrong with the truck, but these jeopardized a successful trip. These trucks generally don't stop rolling till the tires can't hold air and catch on fire from running the last five miles flat at 60 mph.

Some thoughts. Baseline the major stuff and any minor stuff that if not up to date will damage your vehicle during the drive. The major stuff -- get a transmission service done if it is an automatic and hasn't been done for a long time. New fluid and filter, bands adjusted. Should be around $100. If you call a shop in the morning they should be able to get you fixed up in the afternoon if they aren't so busy they don't need your business. Have the tech tell you how it looked, metal in the pan, burnt fluid, how far out were the bands.

Check the drive train, u-joints, fluid in the differential, air filter, brake fluid. Schedule a day to go over everything in some dive motel parking lot. Check the serpentine belt. Drive like grandpa on the way back, no pulling wheelies. Change the oil, filter. Figure 15 mpg for fuel costs at four dollars a gallon, and you'll have money left over. There are rest stops on the interstates west of the Miss to catch some z's at. Or you can find an out of the way spot in a truck stop.

And don't freak on every little thing. Drove that heavy truck 1300 miles with no bearings in a couple rear driveline u-joints. Lots of slop, truck and u-joints didn't care.

Enjoy your adventure. Do or carry the fuel filter if needed. Sorry to ramble. Other people might have some ideas too.

Great advice above!!!

If it were me, I'd go for it...but then again, I'm always up for a good adventure!

I've made similar trips about 5 times before, and always with good success.

In fact, I bought a '93 d250 cummins that hadn't run in over a year. I dumped some seal softener in the auto trans, changed filters and oil, wired up trailer lights, jumped the battery, and she fired right up!!! I'm from TN too. I picked up that truck in Connecticut, drove to Long Island, NY, and loaded a crew cab W350 on a trailer, and towed it back to TN without a problem!

I could go on all day about stories from those trips...from nesting mice coming out from under the dash on the interstate, to my brother putting a smoke bomb in my tailpipe at the gas station, etc.

Follow the advice above, generally look things over and pay attention to noises, vibrations, etc....and have fun!!!

--Eric

I'd bet in the long run it would be cheaper to ship. Fuel, air fair, food, and a hotel or two, will add up quick, plus time list at work.

If you were to drive, just take it to a decent shop. Tires would be my biggest question. Then an oil change and check all fluids.

I would ship it, I like adventure too, but a calculated adventure.....if that makes since.

Forgot, get some tec3 sootless 2 cycle oil from wallyworld and some Power Service diesel clean fuel additive. If you drive it back, might as well get those injectors clean and the IP lubed up. Ounce of each per gallon into the tank at every fill up.

Would help to know your shipping costs. Driving it back on a budget... fuel and fast food burgers plus whatever maintenance. Motels are a luxury. You'll be home in 2 and a half days.

Where about's in Cali Maybe have a local member take a look at it for you ? I'm in So Cal let me know if it's close I wouldn't mind to stop and look it over for you .

Val

If you had to pick a vehicle to buy and drive sight unseen across the continent, you picked the right one.

I bought a ragged, unmaintained and thoroughly used high mileage w250 and drove it 1300 miles loaded with 2500 lbs of gear on her back... she did it without complaint, with power and decent mpg. Needed serious brake work, rear drive line u-joints, and a maintenance baseline on every component. Many things wrong with the truck, but these jeopardized a successful trip. These trucks generally don't stop rolling till the tires can't hold air and catch on fire from running the last five miles flat at 60 mph.

Some thoughts. Baseline the major stuff and any minor stuff that if not up to date will damage your vehicle during the drive. The major stuff -- get a transmission service done if it is an automatic and hasn't been done for a long time. New fluid and filter, bands adjusted. Should be around $100. If you call a shop in the morning they should be able to get you fixed up in the afternoon if they aren't so busy they don't need your business. Have the tech tell you how it looked, metal in the pan, burnt fluid, how far out were the bands.

+1, I bought a good-looking 1991 for that much money last August with 195,000 on the clock in Indiana and had the seller drop it at Scheid's Terre Haute shop, where it spent three days. I asked Scheid to check the truck over thoroughly since I was planning to drive it home 1,200 miles with my twelve year old daughter. At the time, I didn't realize that they were diesel engine specialists, not general mechanics. Scheid charged me $900 for the eval but when I got into the truck outside their front door I had to turn the key twice to get ignition[nonono]. Then the ignition assembly froze up on me:o . Then I noticed the emergency brake was non-functional. Scheid jury-rigged the ignition, which then failed in Cleveland (actually the truck started but we had no windows or ventilation in the middle of August). $500 later at a Firestone, the ignition cylinder had been replaced. The truck bucked like a bronco over every bump in the road, took a long time to stop and was leaking lubricants from every possible orifice, BUT IT GOT US HOME without complaint.

dropped it with my diesel service tech for a NYS inspection sticker and told him that it was hard starting, was leaking fluids, had soft brakes and no emergency brake. a day later he called me with a $3,000 estimate [yuk] for the work he identified, which included a failing fuel pump and lift, failed emergency brake cable attached to rear drums that were wasted away, rotted brake and fuel lines, a throttle cable that was 99% gone, all four shocks useless, etc. etc. Had Scheid told me this much work was needed, I would have asked for a refund of purchase from the seller and flown back to NY!

since then I have spent a multiple of that figure getting my truck back up to design spec. it's running great now but I couldn't possibly sell it for the amount I have spent on it (wouldn't want to sell it for any reason, actually)

BOTTOM LINE: if you're going to drive it, have a general diesel mechanic cover the bases as Downhome suggested AND get yourself a 100 mile AAA membership in case you need to be flatbedded somewhere!

I bought my truck sight unseen from 2000 miles away.

By the time I paid for a flight there, a day of missed work, and fuel to drive it home of was actually cheaper to have it shipped. I paid 950 for shipping and it was picked up and brought to my driveway in under 48 hours.
Lots of shippers jerk you around make sure your new baby will not get unloaded at some back alley truck stop and wait a few days for the next hauler who is heading your way. One truck start to finish is worth an extra buy of cash.

Ship it. Let their insurance cover it till its home.

I haven't read this whole thread, there are some long posts. But considering the distance and cost of fuel and plane tickets and time to drive it back. If it's a simple matter of money, it might be best to get it shipped. As mentioned though, the adventure might be worth the trip.

All that said, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I drove my dodge out to calgary this last winter (1300miles) and the trans went out on me. My mom helped me buy an 03 cummins powered super duty and a 14k lbs dual axle trailer. I didn't know a thing about this superduty. But we got a temp permit and hopped in it and hauled my truck home on the trailer. Everything went perfect on the superduty as it hauled the 9k lbs behind it except the pinion seal went on me. Every time I had to stop for fuel, I had to add a qt or more to the rear diff. By the time I got back home 1300 miles later EVERYTHING was caked in diff oil and it costed me over $100 in diff oil over the course of the trip. But all was well. she hauled that 9k beautifully. It's a nice truck too. Turns out the pinion seal is easy to change and is a right cheap part too.

if it's the one from Roseville that sold for 5,500 you got a fine looking truck.

theres no way i would pass up a trip out to Cali to have a chance to drive that old girl home.
Looks like one heck of a road trip.

drive through a couple of the big National Parks while your there, make it a mini vacation.

the truck looks very solid to me, and with it beeing a 5 spd if it will even go in all the grears it should be fine.

From Lascassas TN to Roseville CA it will be $575.00 in fuel alone if the truck gets 16mpg and thats very low with a 5spd.

your basicly gonna come out about even or a little more if you fly our and drive it home but your getting a vacation and an adventure across the country in a 1st gen. [laugh]

Darwin

Drive it back home, the road trip and memories will be worth it.

A guy I know that owns a junkyard near me used to drive to oklahoma and back to PA all the time to get rust free truck parts.

One time they took an old full size chevy car that had been through a demo derby and fixed it enough to drive to Oklahoma to buy a truck to drive home. The brake lines broke on the way out and they had to use the e-brake to slow down until they could get to a auto parts store to fix it.

But if he can go cross country in a demo car you should be fine in a clean first gen.

i went 4 hours from home to pick up my truck and come to find out they didn't use the right lug nuts with the after market wheels and broke all 8 of the studs on the right rear no parts store had the lug nuts in stock so i had to use the wrong ones to get a wheel on it enough to limp it back to town so my dad could come up and get it with the trailer.......i say ship it not worth the hassel if something did happen might have alot of memories but i was fortunate enough that my friend was with me to drive me to pick parts up. to limp it back to town. BUT if the po was honest about the truck you might not have any problems... the kid i bought mine off pretty much lied and didn't tell me half of what was wrong and then when the wheel fell off wouldn't help out pretty much told me well your on your own and your screwed.

I don't know, six of one and half a dozen of the other, but what a great way to get aquainted with your new ride!

I bought a '93 in Denver once and drove it home to east tx. Got 100 miles from home and the Inj. pump just died. It ran like a top all the way home. I like road trips a lot, but it's as cheap to ship this one and save any hassles until you got it home.

The truck I'm buying is the one in Roseville for $5500. Have had initial contact with a broker/shipper. Round fiqures is $1000.(Dually's cost about $300 more as there are a lot of open trailers that can't handle the width. The quote is without the wheels on it.)Seller has said he'll dismount the outside wheels and put them behind the seat along with the overdrive that is included. As they're Alcoa wheels I'm afraid someone would steal them for scrap aluminum if they saw them laying in the bed. I can fly out for less than $200, I fiqure the fuel at $400, and a 36 hr drive. It's a 5 speed so I'm not worried about the transmission, just to check the grease/fluid levels. I'm worried about the pumps, front end condition, and being at some unknown garage owners mercy, 1000 miles from home. I'm retired. No real time restraints. Would love the road trip but don't want to lose dinero by taking the chance. Hate to miss an adventure!

Drove my old 92 home from Phoenix a few years ago drove my dually home from Los Angeles 3 years ago. If I had to do it over ago I'd do the same, fly down and drive home. Had a member help me in Phoenix, which was great. The guy in LA was a Diesel tech, so that was also a piece of mind.

Did the normal filter fluid changes and had a blast!!! Guess I was lucky.

hey-Hey!!!,
Bought my 1990 in Lamar Colorado. Flew out from Ann Arbor, MI and drove home. Discovered I had to redefine the term 'white-out' whilst passing through Nebraska. This was nearly 2 years ago in January...:) The truck behaved itself, though I would have been happier with better tires on the rear. None ov that should apply to a trip now...so I'd say to go an' get it.
cheers,
Douglas

In case you're still deciding, I'll reiterate part of my gripping Fuel Shut-off Solenoid (FSS) tale. These things fail SHUT, stopping the engine, whether it's just the 12V wire falling off the terminal or the component actually failing. I would bring a short sharp chisel and hand sledge by all means. If things are working OK chances are you'll get home without incident, but these tools will save you in a "worst case" FSS failure. Other than that, the trucks are reliable beyond belief as you're likely aware if you're looking around on this forum. Enjoy that trip. Bring ear plugs in case someone has messed with the exhaust system. [coffee]

I have bought 5 cars/trucks long distance from home and all have been fantastic adventures ( i'm lucky to i guess)

2000 subaru outback from Dallas TX, e-bay, 800 mile one way flew down drove it home.

1995 Dodge CTD cab chassy no bed from Houston TX, e-bay, 900 miles flew down drove home, ( very bumpy as the PO had ford alcoas on the rear and they were all 4 sagged down, the rabbit is alot bigger on ford than dodge.

1999 Dodge CTD EC 2500, Louisville KY, e-bay, 5 hrs without a hitch.

2003 VW Jetta TDI 5 spd, Wheeling WV, 550 miles one way, pulled a trailer out to pick it up and came home same day, (loooooonnnngggg day)

1993 CTD W250, Connecticut, e-bay, 1,200 miles one way, pulled a 25 ft goosneck to get it, the wife went with me and we made a 4 day trip out of it.

holy cow, if i was retired theres no way i wouldn't go get it and see some sites on the way home.

what ever you do i hope it works out, and give a report when it's over.

Darwin

The truck I'm buying is the one in Roseville for $5500. Have had initial contact with a broker/shipper. Round fiqures is $1000.(Dually's cost about $300 more as there are a lot of open trailers that can't handle the width. The quote is without the wheels on it.)Seller has said he'll dismount the outside wheels and put them behind the seat along with the overdrive that is included. As they're Alcoa wheels I'm afraid someone would steal them for scrap aluminum if they saw them laying in the bed. I can fly out for less than $200, I fiqure the fuel at $400, and a 36 hr drive. It's a 5 speed so I'm not worried about the transmission, just to check the grease/fluid levels. I'm worried about the pumps, front end condition, and being at some unknown garage owners mercy, 1000 miles from home. I'm retired. No real time restraints. Would love the road trip but don't want to lose dinero by taking the chance. Hate to miss an adventure!

What?! If it's a $5500 truck, I wouldn't think twice about it!!! I was talking about $400 - $1100 vehicles that I drove back over 1,500 miles! And I never drove one back without pulling a trailer and loaded down!!! If you can save money doing it yourself, and you're retired, I don't see that it's even a question!

Go have fun! :)

--Eric

Ppiggppenn, I hope I got your name right. Has it been a while since you've flown? I can see myself with a short sharp chizel and a small sledge hammer getting on a commercial carrier at Nashville International. You all don't know me but you and all the rest of the world would by the time of the five o'clock news. "RETIRED GEEZER MUMBLES FUEL SHUTOFF VALVE AS AIRPORT SECURITY TAKES HIM DOWN." "GRAY-BEARDED TERRORIST YELLS 'DODGE' AS SECURITY FOLKS DIVE FOR COVER." "OLD MAN CRIES OUT 'DUALLY' AS HE'S TACKLED IN NASHVILLE AIRPORT. HE'S REPORTEDLY A DOUBLE AGENT WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP." Thanks for the suggestion but if I were to do that I'd probably have to buy the tools in California.
I'm leaning toward having it shipped. I guess I'm a weenie!
Thanks, packratc

check out Uship.com I know you could get it shipped for less then a grand

check out Uship.com I know you could get it shipped for less then a grand[nonono]check out uship before you commit...horror stories ABOUND:o

Ppiggppenn, I hope I got your name right. Has it been a while since you've flown? I can see myself with a short sharp chizel and a small sledge hammer getting on a commercial carrier at Nashville International. You all don't know me but you and all the rest of the world would by the time of the five o'clock news. "RETIRED GEEZER MUMBLES FUEL SHUTOFF VALVE AS AIRPORT SECURITY TAKES HIM DOWN." "GRAY-BEARDED TERRORIST YELLS 'DODGE' AS SECURITY FOLKS DIVE FOR COVER." "OLD MAN CRIES OUT 'DUALLY' AS HE'S TACKLED IN NASHVILLE AIRPORT. HE'S REPORTEDLY A DOUBLE AGENT WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP." Thanks for the suggestion but if I were to do that I'd probably have to buy the tools in California.
I'm leaning toward having it shipped. I guess I'm a weenie!
Thanks, packratc

You might think you're a "weenie", but you're a VERY funny weenie[laugh][laugh][laugh] good luck whatever you decide.

My very first 1st gen was a $500 W350 and that thing was probibly my favorite! I drove it for quite awhile and took 30 minutes to sell for $2500. I would have driven that truck around the world without thinking twice.

I say go for it and drive it. If you break down along the way just hit us up on here and I'd bet there will be someone close to come lend a hand. This is an oddly tight community full of great people!

The way I look at such an endeavor is that every mile you are able to coax it closer to home is a mile less that you would have to pay to have it hauled.

My main concern would be age and condition of the tires.

Also, as already pointed out, any bling pot-metal [yuk] after-market [yuk] wheels should be suspect.

It is one thing to have a tire failure on good old steel wheels; it is usually an adventure of an entirely worse kind to have the same tire failure on pot-metal wheels (they call them aluminum, but there is prescious little actual aluminum in them.).



On any venture, even in a known dependable truck, it is just good business to carry a wad of genuine cash; none of that funny-money junk --- cash talks with a much louder voice.


There are few situations one can get themselves in that enough cash can't buy their way out of the problem. :peel:

I will also add this bit of advice for anyone venturing very far from home :


Before heading out on the journey, take a LONG breaker-bar and six-point impact socket and loosen EVERY lug-nut on the truck.

On an 8-lug wheel, loosen every other one, then retorque to a sensible amount, leaving four tight to keep the wheel centered.

Once the first four have been loosened and re-torqued, then loosen and retorque the other four.

Doing only half at a time allows this be done without jacking up each corner.


Out on the lonesome highway, in the driving rain, way in the middle of the night, is no place to discover that some embicile has used an [nonono] air-gun [nonono] to install the wheels. :peel:

I'd rather had a flat tire on a steelie than 8 broken lugs at least with the tire i could of bought a new one and been on my way...finding 8 lugs is almost impossible....lol live and learn. also If you decide to drive it back i have started a thread on where peoples located so you could check that out and make a list for people along your route.

I say fly n drive!
I did that with mine. Seen her on a dealer's site, arranged a bank draft and flew 1000 miles to pick her up. (Hind sight being 20-20 I would have found out where the nearest gas station that had diesel was first - kinda scary driving on that last 1/4 tank of fuel).

Drive throughs and highways were invented for a reason, might as well use them! [laugh]

So far I'm carrying a short sharp chizel. a sledge hammer, a six point socket, a half-inch extention, a long breaker bar. a spare lift pump, a fuel pressure guage, six steel wheels w/tires, a floor jack, probably a piece or two of 6by6 wood for a wheel chock and to insure the jack goes high enough, a list of every Dodge guy in the USA that named his first born Cummings. Let me know if I've forgotten anything as I didn't read back through the posts. Keep the suggestions coming though, the first time this thing ever leaves the driveway I'll have these things in back. I haven't contrated a hauler yet as I'm still communicating with the seller to get a couple more pictures and copies of the title, etc. I've never bought anything this expensive, this far away, and sight unseen. I've gotta make sure all the paperwork is in order as It'll be a killer to get it staight afterward. This site ought to have a section with hints to help on-line buyers and assist them with the details of on-line buying. OH! Maybe I ought to include 32 wheel studs and lug nuts. NAH! I can limp in in 24!
packratc

I hope you knocked on some wood after you wrote that.

So far I'm carrying a short sharp chizel. a sledge hammer, a six point socket, a half-inch extention, a long breaker bar. a spare lift pump, a fuel pressure guage, six steel wheels w/tires, a floor jack, probably a piece or two of 6by6 wood for a wheel chock and to insure the jack goes high enough, a list of every Dodge guy in the USA that named his first born Cummings. Let me know if I've forgotten anything as I didn't read back through the posts. Keep the suggestions coming though, the first time this thing ever leaves the driveway I'll have these things in back. I haven't contrated a hauler yet as I'm still communicating with the seller to get a couple more pictures and copies of the title, etc. I've never bought anything this expensive, this far away, and sight unseen. I've gotta make sure all the paperwork is in order as It'll be a killer to get it staight afterward. This site ought to have a section with hints to help on-line buyers and assist them with the details of on-line buying. OH! Maybe I ought to include 32 wheel studs and lug nuts. NAH! I can limp in in 24!
packratc

Sense of humour...Check!
Cash for the Truck...Check!---no, it's cash!!!
plane ticket...check!

You should be fine. I brought nothing in the way ov tools or spare parts when I got mine. Talked to seller; check diff fluid level, check oil, check radiator level and make sure there's at least half a tank showing on the gage.
cheers,
Douglas

My very first 1st gen was a $500 W350 and that thing was probibly my favorite! I drove it for quite awhile and took 30 minutes to sell for $2500. I would have driven that truck around the world without thinking twice.

I say go for it and drive it. If you break down along the way just hit us up on here and I'd bet there will be someone close to come lend a hand. This is an oddly tight community full of great people!

500$:o for one darn man I wanna find a deal like that and a 4x4 dually at that! I saw a similar truck for sale around here for 8 large with over 300,000 on the od! and personally I would drive it back but I guess I am young and don't know too much yet haha

First thing to do is sign on with AAA. They have sure saved my tail a few times while far from home. And if you drive back through TX and need help hollar! I got a car trailer and a truck to pull it!

when i bought my 91 i was looking into buying a 1948 international pickup out in arizona i was going to fly down rent a room for about 2 or 3 days and tune it up and get some spare parts and drive it back me and a friend ,,,but i got the dodge instead,,,but it would have bee a adventure,,,[coffee]

I paid $1,300 to have mine shipped 2200 miles. Didn't want to chance driving it.

NY

Dude .... old dude. Have someone go check the truck out for you for god's sake. Ask if someone will go look at it for you. It's in California? No one is going to buy it out from under you or mess with it. You NEED to have someone go look it over and things, paperwork, whatever for you.

And where can I find that list of Dodge guys that have named their first born progeny Cummings.

After reading through this thread, I look forward to seeing some photos of the truck when it arrives. What is the ETA to your door? Best of luck!

Thanks Sn'S for the reply. I got pictures from the seller yesterday when they put it on the trailer. It left California yesterday afternoon to get here, I don't know when. They said 5 to 10 days. They took the rear outside wheels off and they fit behind the seats. As they're Alcoas, I thought they'd be in danger of being stolen for scrape metal. It saved $300 in shipping costs to make it easier to get on/off the trailer. The shipping was/is $1150 for 2300 miles. I have a friend that just drove a Powerstroke out there two weeks ago and their fuel cost with a 4500 LB. trailer was right at $600. Took them three days. We'll see what we get. Thanks, packrat

Thanks Sn'S for the reply. I got pictures from the seller yesterday when they put it on the trailer. It left California yesterday afternoon to get here, I don't know when. They said 5 to 10 days. They took the rear outside wheels off and they fit behind the seats. As they're Alcoas, I thought they'd be in danger of being stolen for scrape metal. It saved $300 in shipping costs to make it easier to get on/off the trailer. The shipping was/is $1150 for 2300 miles. I have a friend that just drove a Powerstroke out there two weeks ago and their fuel cost with a 4500 LB. trailer was right at $600. Took them three days. We'll see what we get. Thanks, packrat

Exciting! Better than Christmas morning. No gift return options on this one though :o

Not a Cummins but we drove the 75 miles home in an old 7.3 idi the other day that had been sitting in a field for 3 years. All I did was change a flat and jump it off and started for home. Surprisingly it made it home with zero issues at 55 mph with old fuel and rotted tires. Give me a new view on long drives with newly purchased vehicles.[laugh]