I found this on Ebay and decided to check it out expecting it to be a bunch of BS and it is not!!! This is detailed plans to make real diesel .... I am starting to build it Thursday... He makes you sign a confidentiality agreement so I am going to honor that... But it is only $61 US for the plans and if you are pretty good at building things >>> It might be worth it!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4561945324&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

OilGuy

Will you tell us if it works? Then I might buy it

That's hilarious...

Is it just me, or is there absolutely no detail as to how the "plant" works?

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

i dunno about that....[eyecrazy]

I think we need to send BigBlue to investigate this one..... :eek:

Tell you what how bout i take your money instead and give ya a nice kick in the pants. that should be about the same but with me at least you ll know the money will go to a nice diesel truck! :) save your money and use it to fill up a tankfull.:rolleyes:

On his website he give more information that the auction.. He is refining waste motor oil to diesel.... I have the plans and took them to my welder and he had an engineer their that said that it should work... I am starting on it and it should be about a week to get it together.... If you have access to waste oil... I would build one.
OilGuy

If this works... I am in

I once heard of a guy selling the "Universal Hanger." It would hang anything, almost any weight, almost anywhere. At the amazing low price of $25.00. Turns out he was selling 6" nails. . .

Originally posted by besserheimerpha
I once heard of a guy selling the "Universal Hanger." It would hang anything, almost any weight, almost anywhere. At the amazing low price of $25.00. Turns out he was selling 6" nails. . .

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Now that's funny. :D

One of my good friends owns a oil change joint. I have access to all the used oil I could ever want. Let us know how it works out.

Same here, PM with deatails if it works...

Originally posted by iker42
Same here, PM with deatails if it works...

Ditto!

As some folks have already been running used motor oil in their diesel tanks, the only thing that might be needed is a box of coffee filters. :confused:

No.... Seriously... I have the plans and I have some of the materials already to start building it... >>it is not a coffee filter<<... lol... (Pretty good one though) [laugh]
I was one of those people running Used Oil in my truck 50% with diesel and 0 problems! This was on a 01 PSD and I just got my 04 CTD and have not hooked it all up yet. I am used to people thinking that I am crazy so the criticism is cool.. I enjoy reading it.
I am going to build a miniture one today since it is raining and I can't do real work and I will post the results.
BTW... Does anyone know how to test diesel to get the cetane rating??
OilGuy

I'll make a special trip up to College Station to see this 'thing'. And visit Messina Hof. ;)

MikeyB

Originally posted by MikeyB
I'll make a special trip up to College Station to see this 'thing'. And visit Messina Hof. ;)

MikeyB

Excellent!!! Might as well make some good out of the trip.

~Rob

um.... run it in a 7.3 psd and see if it knocks??? no wiat that won't work, too dang noisy to start with [laugh]

Well motor oil that might be a possible fuel source on its own but i really wonder about the emissions from burning that. thye guy says no chemicals so your telling me that these plans just change the motor oil through mechanical means? im all fo rcheap alternative fuel source but i woder bout this one still. does this work with the synthetic oils you be getting too? i know from whta i have read that the synthetics are a no no to add to your diesel. i actually want to try putting in a quart or two but will first have to kill the kitty if you know what i mean.... as cummins doesnt recomend burning oil with it on there.

UPDATE!!!

I made a miniture and very rough version of the plans just to see if it would work....
:o :D
It did! I did not run it very long >> but long enough to see that it would indeed work...

I am not trying to BS anyone... Here's the dude's website...
http://www.freediesel.com.au/Free%20Diesel.htm

I am going to build the big version next!

OilGuy

did it run your truck
:confused:

Oilguy,
I wanna see it when you're done with the larger version.
Will it work with oils that are synthetic? And oils that are contaminated with ATF, brake fluid, etc...?

MikeyB

Mikey > not sure about the Syn's or Atf/BF... I will email the guy and see what the do's and don'ts are.
And Iker... I just let it go long enough to convince myself that it was not a bunch of bullpoo....

Like I said at the start of this thread... I did sign a confidentiality agreement not to say anything about the construction/concept details and I am going to honor that... But I will tell you that it appears to work, So I don't think I wasted my money. I just appreciate someone out there who is smart enough to design this thing and not try to rip everyone off to find out how to built it!

OilGuy

"no electricty are gas to run the plant"
That is interesting I guess we are back to coffee filters and gravity flow? lol

does this plant take any electricity to run? or is it all mechanical?

If you read through the site he explains it pretty good without getting into details... It is not straining oil with coffee filters or anything crazy at all... I found it and wanted to let everyone on this forum know about it and that from my experiments with a crudely built model... It Worked! Took about 1 hour to get it to work.
I was looking for a BioDiesel Plant on Ebay and found his listing. He was asking $79.99 AU which equals $61.00 US and he had 100% good feedback from everyone that bought from him so I am not the only one out there that this worked for.

OilGuy

when will the rig be done? i wanna know how it works then i will be on the bus too.

Hmmm, suddenly his price is AUD $150.00?!

Not on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/HOME-MADE-DIESEL-PLANS-NOT-BIO-FUEL-BIODIESEL-BIOFUEL_W0QQitemZ4567644961QQcategoryZ72469QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The eBay page or feature you are attempting to access is not responding.
Please try the options below:

My guess it's a thermal cracking unit. Uses waste oil to generate it's own heat energy. I wonder what's the yield on this?
BTW, I have a 5 gallon bucket of used oil that I'm willing to donate to the cause, and a 55 gallon drum at another location, but the waste oil maybe contaminated with ATF and gear lube.

MikeyB

Thanks... But I have a mobile oil change company... www.freedomoilservice.com I get a lot of the stuff... Straight oil with no atf or gearlubes. about 60-100 Gal a day >> I get $.15 per Gal from recyclers but I think that is going to stop. $2.29 is the cheapest diesel around here and I burn through 400-500 Gal a Month!
(Math Looks Ugly)

Big materials will be in tomorrow and if it is still raining... I will get started >> If not I got to go make some money!

OilGuy

Nice website Oilguy. With that much waste oil available you better have a tanker close by!

MikeyB

Originally posted by Shovelhead
The eBay page or feature you are attempting to access is not responding.
Please try the options below:

Try this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4561945324&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

I am very interested/curious about this method of alternative fuel. I am kind of familiar with the theory a guy I use to work with spoke of such a concept. Mainly what I am curious about say I use approximately 75 gallons per month of diesel, how large of a plant would I build, and roughly how much does it cost for materials?

Is there any mileage difference?
Are the pollutants more or less than petro fuel, for emmision testing sake
What is the btu of said alternative fuel?

Originally posted by durasmack
I think we need to send BigBlue to investigate this one..... :eek:

Now how did I get dragged into this.[laugh]

i hope the epa don't find out

The primary problem with burning unprocessed used motor oil
is environmental:
www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/ usedoil/campgn/en-dumpbr.pdf

The used oil is classified as Hazardous Waste and has to be
disposed of in accordance with the EPA regulations (if you reside in
the U.S.). These rules have a solid basis. Used oil contains toxic
chemicals and heavy metals which can escape when burned in an
improvised burner.

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=make+diesel+out+of+used+motor+oil&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&pstart=1&b=101&u=answers.google.com/answers/threadview%3Fid%3D248080&w=make+diesel+used+motor+oil&d=2EAEFF7678&icp=1&.intl=us

I guess the "EPA" should ease their snip regulations and not make the oil companies make so many blends and the Gov should cut taxes on the fuel that they have NO hand in producing and we won't be looking for crude alternative methods of powering our rigs!...
Sorry... I just woke up and kinda grouchy....[eyecrazy]

OilGuy

Originally posted by BigBlue
Now how did I get dragged into this.[laugh]

Looking at his location, he is in College Station, and being that im in Ohio, you are a WHOLE lot closer..... I didn't feel like driving 3000 miles to see it for myself. :D

I am just wondering what kind of filtering system is cleaning the used oil up. I wonder about using with a VP 44 or common rail.
Just here at work we drain over 1100 gallons a month out of our engines;)

This sure sounds too good to be true. We all know you can run a diesel on oil but there are several problems with that. Is this "system" actually producing quality grade fuel or just filtering motor oil? If something like this was that simple with no caveats, it would have been done a long long time ago. Motor oil and diesel fuel have been around for 100 years.

I remain very skeptical ... :rolleyes:

Being skeptical is healthy...
One of my hero's once said:
"Trust but verify" - Ronald Reagan

And this has been done a long time ago... in fact in 1854 in Penn and Cali.
people were converting crude oil into lamp oil and 2 grades of kerosene.

And think about it... If you came up with a GREAT Idea that was so simple and everyone wanted it... wouldn't you try to make it look really complicated and technical?? Would you keep the truth hidden so that you can monopolize the market? You would almost be like the big oil companies! :D

OilGuy

I remember a war movie where the orphanage had a bus to evacuate the kids before the japanese army got there and it ran on some kind of gas from a pot of coal with enough fire to produce vapors which were then hand pumped to the engine. When the enemy got close, the little fella pumped like crazy for more speed. Seems like they lost their brakes going down a hill...I forget who the hero was.
Anybody else remember that?

Ok Oilguy, what you have there is plans for a still. :D

MikeyB

Oilguy

How many gallons of the recycled oil will it take to make 1 gallon of #2 and how much waste product do you end up with and where do you despose of the waste.

Wait a minute!! Didn't you guys notice that he said this fuel produced LESS smoke?!? I think we need to be careful not to sacrifice our smoke on the alter of cheap fuel. ;) [laugh]

Seriously, I'm curious about the answer to Winkle's question as well. We have to keep in mind that this is coming from Australia and the Aussies aren't "blessed" with the same EPA that we have so there may be issues of legality not to mention taxes on fuel produced. [yuk] :mad:

I'm thinking naphtha, kerosene and some diesel if it's a still.

MikeyB

any progress oilguy?

Still waiting for the materials to show up. I can't wait to get started.
I have 400 Gal of oil ready to go! I have my holding tanks ready also. 800 Gal!!!

On a side note.... I had a friend trying to get a hold of me this weekend because a gas station that closed about a week ago was about to get their tank removed... They were selling fuel for $1 per Gal! Wouldn't you know I didn't have my cell on all weekend! I would have bought 1000 Gals!!!![yuk] [yuk] [yuk] [yuk]

OilGuy

Take a look at this sight for info on using alternate fuels
http://www.boulderbiodiesel.com/john/SVO/index.jsp

Let's try to keep all fuel price related discussions on one thread to make life easy for all of us. ;)

Originally posted by Oilguy
Still waiting for the materials to show up. I can't wait to get started.
I have 400 Gal of oil ready to go! I have my holding tanks ready also. 800 Gal!!!
OilGuy

:o Sounds like you're prepared to start the process once you get it built. Keep us posted. If this really works (creates a diesel substutute from waste oil), I may have to look into it.

i e-mailed the guy and asked a few ?s he said you put in 100L waste oil and get 50-75L of diesel out, and the only waste it produces is ash like a wood stove:confused:

i am wondering if it takes no gas or electricity how you get to diesel and ash......

Originally posted by upersleder
i e-mailed the guy and asked a few ?s he said you put in 100L waste oil and get 50-75L of diesel out, and the only waste it produces is ash like a wood stove:confused:

i am wondering if it takes no gas or electricity how you get to diesel and ash......

Pays your monies and he'll tells ya. :D

Personally, I don't care how. I'm waiting for confirmation that it actually does do it and then I'll decide from there. I'm also interested to see whether there's a way to deal with contiminated waste oil. If you get it from a local shop, no telling what ended up in it.[eyecrazy]

its not really that hard to filter out water and antifreeze from oil, but not sure about some of the other stuff. i can see my back yard filling up with oil drums tho LOL

It does work... I built a very small scale version to see for my self and it produces....
I have the materials and a plasma cutter and I am taking the day off tomorrow and getting started... I spent $200 filling up today and it pizt me off!
My neighbor is a welder and an engineer and he is helping me put this thing together.

If anyone is interested in building one of these... Buy the plans from that guy.... He deserves to get what he can for making this available! Small price to pay for people that are willing to stretch out their neck and take a risk developing a product!

OilGuy

Originally posted by Oilguy
It does work... I built a very small scale version to see for my self and it produces....


Originally posted by Oilguy
I have the materials and a plasma cutterI am taking the day off tomorrow and getting started... and I spent $200 filling up today and it pizt me off!
My neighbor is a welder and an engineer and he is helping me put this thing together.


You say it produces, and it isn't even finished yet. [eyecrazy] [eyecrazy] :rolleyes: [dummy]

Some other quotes:
"Built a very small scale version"
"Tested"
>> Yes it produces

Now building the big one...

OilGuy

whats the ratio of oil to actual finished product in gallons

Best I can figure at this point is 40-60%
I know that is a wide margin but I will know more soon

OilGuy

i guess i'll find out soon also, i just purchased the plans. have to go get ink first

already costing me money:( [laugh]

if you read my post above, he said for every 100L in you get 50-75L out depending on temp ect. so i would assume it would be the same for gallons. that tells me i need a 55gal. drum for a tank of fuel.....i can see pumps and tanks and drums being in my future.......:o

Already got em... I have 450 gallons ready to go and more being added daily. I have about 800 gal holding tank for fresh diesel and I am mapping out my plans as we speak (type)
Got to get back to work....
OilGuy

upersleder, Let us know how this works for you.

Oilguy, did you get an answer on testing the quality of diesel fuel?

More updates please??!!

looks like its up to 86.00

Got a question: If you pick up oil from oil change stations, do you have to have a permit or anything? It seems that waste engine oil would be tracked by the government or something, especially from a oil change shop. I want to buy today, but this is one holdup that has me concerned. Can you give any info on this oilguy?


Waylan

I'll believe it when I see it :rolleyes:

Here's another one to try guys! Who's going first? http://www.dieselsecret.com/

and another http://www.ccthita-swan.org/pdf/WOTEC_print.pdf

I get a manifest from the comp that picks it up but that is mainly because the driver get paid for the amount that he pick up... In Texas Waste oil is not a hazardous material and no one needs to know anything if you are hauling 55 gal or less.
I have never been checked for anything except waste water stuff by the city. He was more worried about my mop water than the thousands of gallons of oil I have in the warehouse.

OilGuy

Wow! I emailed the designer a page of questions this morning about spec's and got back very detailed answers and he is sending pictures of working models.
I have the main part of the processor just about together... probably another 8-10 hrs and it should be ready to fire up.
I think this thing is for real!

Mike D I like the information that you posted... I built a version of that WOTEC machine. That is how I was blending waste oil and diesel when I was running it in my PSD. Not sure about the other deal though.

OilGuy

Oilguy,
When you get this thing running I would like to come up and see it.

MikeyB

got my plans today. looks like i will have to find a place to use this thing, my neigbors i dont think would like me very much LOL but the plans look good and if done correctly should work. we'll have to see when i get mine done.

startingtocollectpartsintheUP

Count me in as one who wants to know if this works or not. I am very interested!!!

How do you handle the issue of road tax with this stuff? I can't believe that the state and feds won't have their hand out for taxes on what you produce. [eyecrazy] :rolleyes:

Might be like biodiesel.
It can be considered a "Diesel Fuel Additive".

Yeah, a 95% home brew to 5% store bought mix is still "adding" isn't it. [whistle] [laugh]

Yup! It is an additive going into my business write off (truck) that will also be written off because I average my mileage instead of itemizing receipts!
Go figer that one out!

OilGuy

Any more news on this?
Mike

Getting it put together... I have been delayed by having to actually work for money. Wife should be off my back by next week and I can start on it again... Probably Mon. or Tue. And it has been so dam hot here in Tx lately. I have been taking off after lunch and going to the lake to stay cool.

OilGuy

Still watching and listening:)

Originally posted by Oilguy
And it has been so dam hot here in Tx lately. I have been taking off after lunch and going to the lake to stay cool.

OilGuy

Nice work if you can get it....:D

I am making good progress.... Just wish my welder could keep up with me... I should have this thing fired up by the weekend.
Has anyone else gotten the plans?

OilGuy

Better hurry! Every little bit will help! [coffee]

MikeyB

Very intresting with diesel getting real close to $3 a gal (well I haven't check the price in a hour so it might be $3.50 by now). When I was a kid the old farmers mixed 1 quart of oil to a tank of Kerosene. They swore by it. I guess anything is possible.

Fast service, Detailed plans I look forward to building the still-this a still! Here is some feedback from Ebay on the subject!

Oilguy,

Don't forget to build a quality control lab next to your furnace and distillation towers to test your final product.
For some info on the tests to run try this webpage.

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_5_fs.htm

To get to the beginning of that website and read more than you ever wanted to know about diesel fuel go here.

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/

Also you might want some fire fighting gear like 1 1/2" firehoses and Navy all-purpose nozzles.

I worked at a oil refinery for 10 years during the 80's and fought a few fires during that time. Most small, but one really BIG one. :o

Food for thought.

Yeah I am working on a lot of safety features and I am getting a lot of feedback for development from a welder that used to work at the fire training school in College Station. I have the main section just about finished and working on making sure there are no weak points in the build. I hoped to have this thing running by now but I guess I am just to picky.... got to be perfect!
The Developer has been reallly helpfull and giving me lots of pictures and detailed information about some of the components and where to get them. It is making me sick to buy at the pump now and send off my waste oil with the recycler because the project is not finished.
Have a good long weekend!

OilGuy

I looked to buy these plans after considering and doing a little WVO research but it looks like he is now charging $300.00+ for the plans? Am I looking at the wrong ebay ad?

We tryed that method at my job where we mixed old oils into the diesel units
and it worked great until the government (EPA) said to stop so we unhooked everthing. So HMMM makes you wonder why they made us stop?
:rolleyes:

98 24v Ram 3500 SB Con O Fe clutch, new NV4500 5 spd trans W all spline sft, edge ez, all the Iss Pro Gauges ,F.A.S.S, Air Raid Mass Air Flo Filter,Mod Air Box, L.E.D tail lamps.Jake brake, Western Hauler bed, 40gal aux fuel tank, low profile Polished aluminum tool box,25k air ride 5th wheel hitch,4" out pipe,Sirius satt radio,backup camera w 5"color monitor.freeze you out a/c and 3000 watts of Alpine Stereo.(Oh.... and ear plugs)and a Dog. Giddy up!

I just looked it up on ebay and he has 43 available right now for $99.95 US >> which is about $30 higher than I paid but still well worth it if you plan to build it... Not worth it if you just want to know how it works so you say that you know. Here is the link to what I found:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HOME-MADE-DIESEL-BETTER-THAN-BIODIESEL-BIOFUEL-WVO-SVO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQitemZ79976604 98QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

OilGuy

that's what I do for over a year now! cheap, clean and it smells like french fries...performance is equal. no mods required, allthough I mix it with 20% diesel.

that's what I do for over a year now! cheap, clean and it smells like french fries...performance is equal. no mods required, allthough I mix it with 20% diesel.

Do you mean you're filtering the oil or are you "refining" it?

How do you make sure all you're getting is oil? I worked at a lube shop back in highschool and all our stuff got dumped in the same tanks. tranny, oil, syn, diff, coolant, and everything else.

doesn't really matter if you have seen the plans. It is dealt with

OilGuy

Ok, thats what I was wondering about. Live in an apartment though and we're not even allow bbq pits, don't think this would fly over well either. [laugh]

Is the process simalar to thermal cracking? I am in the used oil bus. and have talked with a few people that were able to make diesel from RFO. They were getting around 97% diesel and the machine ran on the waste that was generated. If it is the same process you should build a very large machine and retire rich :)

baby steps!
RFO?

OilGuy

I have the unit built and just need to tweak it I little. I am going to test it tomorrow or Saturday. I will tell you by Monday if I am running on free diesel or not.

OilGuy

Best of luck!

I have the unit built and just need to tweak it I little. I am going to test it tomorrow or Saturday. I will tell you by Monday if I am running on free diesel or not.

OilGuy

Party at Oilguy's...... free samples :D

is there any great fire danger or anything that can easily explode? im just wondering how safe or dangerouse this would be. can u have it in your garage ? just curious about the safety factor. i almost have my hand on my wallet to get this thing, not even filling the tank up completely is $100 buck. [verymad] [verymad] [eyecrazy]

we are still waiting for the results. [director]

Results are coming soon... I keep getting interupted by having to go to work. No this is not something you are going to put in the garage or on the apartment patio! I have 2 parts that I am having trouble finding and it is slowing me down (they will make it automated)... I am going to start it up anyway but I will have to stick around and keep an eye on it until I get them installed. Probably about 3-4 hours worth left and I am done.
I am actually suprised at how well it is coming along. for those of you interest in getting the plans... the support is great!!!

OilGuy

Once you get this working, I'd be interested in an estimate of how much you spent to build yours. Also, do I understand correctly that this "process" handles contaminated oil as well as "clean" waste oil?

Watching with interest.

So Oilguy, when are you going to have the 'Let's us see this thing run' party? :cool:

MikeyB

so this is a backyard type deal? what is the size of this thing? i want to try one out but i want to know if im goning to have a mini refinery in my yard with a bunch of smoke stacks for the niegbors to look at or what.

its not something your neighbors would appreciate [roll]

i am hauling mine out to camp to fire it up when i get it built, no way can i do it in town. if you dont have a secluded spot, i woouldnt worry about it.

Watching with interest too. Hope this works out.

well i just bought 2 seconds ago so now waiting for the master plan. i just thought it was worth the $ to possibly fill my tank up for $0 again and again and....... [whistle]

Grrrrrr..... Sent the wife to the hardware store to get some fitting to plumb this thing and she gets the wrong stuff.... Right now I am pretty much ready to flip the switch so to speak....
Hurry up and wait!

OilGuy

I am very interested in how this works for you.

Waiting for your return [whistle]

Hurry up and wait!

OilGuy


Sounds like your in the Military.... [laugh]

Ok Here is an update>>>
I ran a test to see if it was going to work with a lot of safety precautions and yes it did produce diesel... I now need to work out a few details and work on getting it working more effeciently.

OilGuy

So when is the pump going to be set up for business? [laugh]

Ya I'll be down in CS for the first official burn my diesel event.

But seriously are you going to have the product tested before you burn it or just burn it and see how your truck does?

-CM

Ok Here is an update>>>
I ran a test to see if it was going to work with a lot of safety precautions and yes it did produce diesel... I now need to work out a few details and work on getting it working more effeciently.

OilGuy


So....what are you saying? Your getting like a quart an hour or what?

oilguy, how long did it take to get your plans? im going on 3 days now. [verymad]

I think I am going to sneak it into a friend of mine's Ford IDI and see if he breaks down! LOL... hahaha
I haven't decided to have it tested or not yet. I started it up yesterday with fire extinguisher in hand and let if run for an hour. It took a while to get going so like any impatient agressive idiot I started trouble shooting and messed it up... It did make some diesel (1/2qt) but I was hoping for a better test... I am talking with the designer and working out what I could have done wrong....
I think I figured it out. I will know very soon.

Hura... I got the plans in 2 days... But he has been away from his computer so that is probably the deal.. That is why I did not test it again today.. I needed more information.

I am convinced that this is going to work after I get the bugs worked out... So if you are interested in getting the plans, the designer (Michael V) is great with support and he will plug you into a group of people from all over the planet building these things that can help you with question.
I wish I could get into more details about the project but I signed an agreement not to.. I just wanted to let everyone know that there is a different method out there besides WVO SVO BioD and Mixing waste in your diesel.
If you do buy the plans I will enjoy sharing info that I have learned on the private network.

OilGuy

i bought, just waiting, im just curious to how much room it is going to take up. did u set it up in or out doors?

Hi Guys
This is a soap opera only way more exciting. I think the plans OilGuy bought may be similar (albeit maybe not as complex) to this: a refinery

http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining2.htm

The seller on ebay still hadn't re-listed as of a little while ago-

Sorry guys... Sick day.
Maybe it is all of this pressure to perform! That is why I quit my last job! LOL
>Cough<>Cough<>Sniffle<>Wipe nose<
I am going back to veg out watching monster garage.
Oilguy

Your killing me smalls. Get off your lazy rear end and get out there and get this dang thing pumping. I need to fill up. [laugh]

ok guys, i should get my plans today [whistle] now checking email every 5.3 seconds [whistle]

Hmmm

I hope someone has success with this process. I have a guy at work who is interested in splitting costs to build and produce.

-CM

ok, i have the plans :D. now to start looking for the materials. looks simple enough. now i know why oilguy needs to do some more adjustments. it will probably take me a few week because im very bussy with work right now. i will keep u guys posted as much as i can.

Aww..., you guys are killin' us.

Aww..., you guys are killin' us.

i know but this is something that i only want to build once, not as fast as i can and then have to build it again, the right way. i want to build it and thats it because once i do it right i should not have to do anything more than to add oil and very little maintanence

I know what you mean. Have you been on the other forum? There is a lot of helpful information that I would read through before you get started. Like the things I would do different.
Sorry Guys... It is real... Get the plans and an oil source and get started.
OilGuy

Sorry Guys... It is real... Get the plans and an oil source and get started.
OilGuy

I'm planning on it but I'm still waiting for someone to say that they're actually running the product and tell us how it runs in comparison to #2.

I know what you mean. Have you been on the other forum? There is a lot of helpful information that I would read through before you get started. Like the things I would do different.
Sorry Guys... It is real... Get the plans and an oil source and get started.
OilGuy

Please post the forum site. I'm interested in reading up on it. Just might try it if some friends of mine can find a reliable used oil source.

MikeyB

the OTHER forum is a members only who have bought the plan. sorry. it is where we all go to discuss and eachothers ideas and thoughts.

I find it quite unreasonable that you can't even discuss the method being utilized. I highly doubt a guy selling plans on ebay has made a scientific discovery that warrants such protection. I'm sure he's using already proven scientific methods.

Looking at the seller's feedback he has 100% positive feedback on his plans. That makes me nervous.

If this is legit, hey I'll be making one of these too. I just can't by my skepticism at the moment. I mean "no chemical or electrical input", it runs itself, its not a filter. What the heck??? What am I missing here?

I find it quite unreasonable that you can't even discuss the method being utilized. I highly doubt a guy selling plans on ebay has made a scientific discovery that warrants such protection. I'm sure he's using already proven scientific methods.

Looking at the seller's feedback he has 100% positive feedback on his plans. That makes me nervous.

If this is legit, hey I'll be making one of these too. I just can't by my skepticism at the moment. I mean "no chemical or electrical input", it runs itself, its not a filter. What the heck??? What am I missing here?


I am just as skeptical as well......but, hey, these guys are willing to be the guinea pigs here for the rest of us waiting in the wings. Be patient here, we will all find out soon enough. [eyecrazy]

Found some info while searching under 'gasoil'. Lots of info on converting used motor oil into fuel oil using the thermal cracking method. In Canada there is a large scale operation for this.

MikeyB

Gee Whiz you guys are killing us with the suspense. I'm ready to drive right now to CS and use a pitch fork to motivate!!! [whistle]

No need for motivation here!! I get that at the pump! Progress is going good but I still have more work to do. I will let you know how it goes.

OilGuy

Hey OilGuy
How many hours you figure you have in getting this beast put together so far?

Haven't been counting.. But if I were to guess I would say about 40... But after building it this far >>I would have built it about 1/2 the size. I can see where I could have save a bunch of time.. I could build it again it about 20 hours if I had the materials on hand and ready to go. >>> Not that I am volunteering! LOL

OilGuy

Thanks OilGuy
We'll try not to badger you and as soon as you are able to run on your home brew I believe there will be more plans sold directly. I'll just tape my mouth shut and wait... [tapdshut]

I mean "no chemical or electrical input", it runs itself, its not a filter. What the heck??? What am I missing here?

i couldn't belive it too thats why i went ahead and bought to find out and guess what??? its true

Oilguy,
Better hurry and get into production. Maybe the only source for fuel after Rita hits us!! [eyecrazy]

MikeyB

is there a current ebay listing for this?? can't seem to find it.

is there a current ebay listing for this?? can't seem to find it.


Here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8000535721

Another odd thing I note after reading through their website is that in all of their customer testimonials, they are being praised for the plans that the customer "thinks will work". I don't see anyone writing in after a few months / years of use saying "Hey this is great, I saved $XXXXXX on fuel cost last month!".

Also, their system was perfected after some explosions. Let's see, no chemicals or electricity, yet, *BOOM*. I can only assume fire. I'm thinking pressure cooker over a bon fire for 30 minutes, thermal cracking at it's finest.

Some reading on the technology involved with cracking used motor oils.
http://www.ped.vianet.ca/

MikeyB

Another odd thing I note after reading through their website is that in all of their customer testimonials, they are being praised for the plans that the customer "thinks will work". I don't see anyone writing in after a few months / years of use saying "Hey this is great, I saved $XXXXXX on fuel cost last month!".

Also, their system was perfected after some explosions. Let's see, no chemicals or electricity, yet, *BOOM*. I can only assume fire. I'm thinking pressure cooker over a bon fire for 30 minutes, thermal cracking at it's finest.

The E-Bay ad states that it is about a 50% recovery and that the only bi-product is ash????

How can you produce ash without electricity or fire?

Yep, I've read that and that is why I'm assuming it's basically what their doing here on a small scale. One question I would have is what happens when your feedstock oil contains synthetic oils? More and more vehicles seem to be using them. Quickie lubes I'm sure don't differentiate when draining it all into one big tank. I don't think synthetics can be thermally cracked?

Yep, I've read that and that is why I'm assuming it's basically what their doing here on a small scale. One question I would have is what happens when your feedstock oil contains synthetic oils? More and more vehicles seem to be using them. Quickie lubes I'm sure don't differentiate when draining it all into one big tank. I don't think synthetics can be thermally cracked?
Sounds right, I've read where people that burn SWMO (straight waste motor oil) have NOT had good luck with synthetics.

Sounds right, I've read where people that burn SWMO (straight waste motor oil) have NOT had good luck with synthetics.

I got an email response from the seller- I had asked these questions:

1.) will your process work with synthetic motor oil too since most any waste oil you would find today would be a blend of both?
2.) Is there any negative reaction to seals like with BioDiesel? I'm assuming not but have to ask

Mike writes "There has been no reaction to date with rubber seals, etc. It is ok if some synthetics is mixed in, but it cant be 100% synthetics."
Please feel free to ask any more questions!
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We have to decide if the synthetics are just burned off or if a high enough concentration would hinder the process- I only use synthetic in all my engines but I have a couple sources I can get waste oil from but it'll surely have synthetic in the blend...(and ATF, and brake fluid, and)

I sent him an email as well.

My email:
Has anyone made a working unit yet? Is there feedback from anyone who has actually made this and is producing their own diesel?
Sorry for the skepticism, but $100 is a hundred dollars.
Thanks,


Mikes response:
Hi,

As we have only been selling the plants for a few weeks, most customeres havent finished building their plants yet. We ourselves are the only ones.

You can check with some of the customers on our website. I think some of them may be finished or very close to finsihed by now. www.freediesel.com.au/Testimonials.htm

Also please feel fre to ask any more questions you may have!

Thank you,

Michael Verrall

The first time I can see that the plans were listed was July 5th-

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4560289417&category=72469

The E-Bay ad states that it is about a 50% recovery and that the only bi-product is ash????

How can you produce ash without electricity or fire?

I think I've got enough clues to have an idea on the process now.

fschiola,

Lets hear it!!

Ok, from what I've read here, the process is fractional distillation. Lube oil has a long chain of carbon atoms (20 to 50) while diesel contains 12 or so. So you can distill the lube oil and collect diesel. You have to heat the lube oil to it's boiling point (577-700 degrees F) then the vapor rises into a distillation column where it cools. At about 482-662 degrees F, diesel will condense and can be collected.

The plans state that no electricity or chemicals are used. You still need to heat the oil so I think that you use some of the lube oil as fuel at first and then burn the heavy gas oil that remains after you distill the oil for subsequent firings. This would give you the 2 items that the web site states that will remain, diesel and ash.

There are folks on this board that are in the refining business that can probably explain this process better than I can, as I have no petrochemical backround what so ever. Also I wouldn't know how you would build such a device but I think this is the process used.

fschiola is right... I have been reading a lot on the net about this process to find out what I can because I am an infohound. The next part is how to build and operate the plant with out the expense of trial and error and a series of failures to find the right setup. That is what Mike Verrall has put together and made available and why I think it was worth the money. Don't think I am trying to sell anyone on this thing... It is great to see everyone looking for other ways to run their diesel on something beside what is being feed to us for $3 a Gallon!

Oilguy

You know my sister works for the EPA. I wonder if she'd bed interested in this. [laugh] [whistle] [laugh]

Oilguy,,

I noticed you say earlier that you could have built it half the size. Is this project scale-able?? I'm liking what I'm hearing so far, but there might be some objections if I biuld a refinery in my back yard..

What would be really cool, would be if it can be made small enough to make just small batches (does it work in batches? or continuous?) and maybe fit it in my shed. It's a big shed...

Last question.... (I'm THIS close to buying plans...) Is there much threat of this thing blowing up?? I've done some work in refineries, and seen stuff running at high heat and high pressure, and seen the aftermath of failures... Not sure I want to be the one who Nuked the entire neighbourhood while sticking it to the oil companies!! [whistle]

The catalytic cracker unit I was working in had tank walls that were 6" thick. I was doing the ultrasonic thickness survey of the tank.. Some kinda serious pressure vessel...

i worked on mine today, have been collecting parts for awhile, hopefully when i get some time i'll be able to finish. i'm not the hurry up type, i would rather research and do the best i can and make it as close to right as possible than throw something together and halfass it

Hey Hardy!
Yes this is scale-able and you can make batches. If you build it right it can go in a shop or shed. And any time you have fire and fuel in the same area you have a chance for a big boom but I have installed some safety features to my plant and I have time shutdown and it work great. This is not something you would put out on the balcony in an apartment! LOL but I live in the country and have a warehouse in an industrial park so I don't have to worry about pizin any one off (not that I really care anyhow)

OilGuy

Last question... Promise..

I'm in the country myself, but I do have neighbours.. So.. What have you noticed in the way of plant emissions? Are you stinkiin up the joint?? And my other last question... What do you have invested in this outfit?? Keepiing in mind just materials, as I also have boilermaker/welder, electrician, carpenter, etc.. on board.

I have the Visa out,, just need one last bit of courage (after all, the plans are worth a tank of fuel..)

LOL...
That is what I am working on now... I have it figured out but I need to wait till tomorrow so I can go finish it. I build mine for about $350 with all new materials... If you scavenge around you can get away with a lot less.
There is another forum after to buy the plans where we get a lot more detailed so I will see you in there.
Oilguy

ok guys few questions ive looked at this tread for a month now i got some questions

1 wat do you do with oil contaminated hash :rolleyes:
2 dont get caugt without permit oil permit , epa regulations etc [whistle]
3 id like to see insurance pay for watever damage you get if it blows
4 guy that sell hasnt even built and proven his thing [yuk]
oh sory about that one poeple already built it IRVING,SHELL,EXXON ETC [laugh]
5 you guys are building a catalictyc cracker
GUYS HINT YOU COULD BUILD PROPANE IF YOU WANTED [coffee]


as for me id rather put 25% of clean waste oil in my cheap furnace oil and not have anything to build oups sorry i put 3 filters on my tank

I still find it strange for this person making the individual sign a NDA for the plans. Does he have a patent or copyright on this technology? Or is he violating someone else's patent or copyright?

MikeyB

I still find it strange for this person making the individual sign a NDA for the plans. Does he have a patent or copyright on this technology? Or is he violating someone else's patent or copyright?

MikeyB
NOW thats a GOOD question patent--copyright?????? Well Oilguy :rolleyes:

HAHAHAHA>>!!!! LOL!!!
Attack the messenger! Descredit the Verrall's!
Not:
How is the progress?
Does it work? Etc...
Forget it.. Don't build it!
Mike put a lot of time and energy into building and writing out the plans to make this this available... People like me have spent the money for the plans and have invested in the plant and share information with others that are building his design.
Others on this forum have bought the plans and are building them and do not post anything on here because they do not want to have people flood them with IM's and emails trying to get them to give up the information that they have developed the guts to pay for.
I will continue to post progress to let everyone on here know how the plant produces and how it runs in my truck.

OilGuy

Oilguy,
I'm not discrediting anyone. Just curious of why it's such a secret. In a nutshell it's a still. Just heat up the oil, the light oil vapors rise and go through the condenser which liquidfies into a gasoil mixture.

MikeyB

The guy isn't charging an arm and a leg for the plans, but spent who knows how much time trying stuff out, then drawing up the plans. It may be a simple as MikeyB says, but I don't see everyone doing it because they don't know all the ins and outs. This guy with the plans, has worked out all the details and laid them out for you.
To me, this is the "value added" part, even if he's just reproducing something that others already know about. It would be unreasonable if he was charging 5,000.00, or something outrageous like that.
I bought and received the plans, but still haven't had time to look at them. I hope to soon, though (too involved in my biodiesel thing right now).

Chris

I take back what I said about having this in a shed unless you have a very small plant and a lot of heat protection and ventilation.
I test fired plant today and it produced diesel but I had a valve failure so I shut it down and I will try again tomorrow. got a little less than a qt.. but it is getting much closer! [coffee]

Oilguy

still have not gotten any answers to my questions on page 11

best to you guys if it works

ok guys few questions ive looked at this tread for a month now i got some questions

1 wat do you do with oil contaminated hash
2 dont get caugt without permit oil permit , epa regulations etc
3 id like to see insurance pay for watever damage you get if it blows
4 guy that sell hasnt even built and proven his thing
oh sory about that one poeple already built it IRVING,SHELL,EXXON ETC
5 you guys are building a catalictyc cracker
GUYS HINT YOU COULD BUILD PROPANE IF YOU WANTED


as for me id rather put 25% of clean waste oil in my cheap furnace oil and not have anything to build oups sorry i put 3 filters on my tank
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I found 1 question that I don't understand and then 5 statements [eyecrazy]
2 possible insults and maybe even a threat. Are you looking for answers?.. and if so - to what?

Oilguy :confused:

See no reason this won't work.... To bad I can't build till January.. D@mn job [laugh]

How long did it take you other members to get set up in the forum?? Didn't get that email yet....

I actually suggested the forum to lighten his load so it didn't take long for me... LOL...
I will email him and remind Mike... He is getting TONS of emails and attention right now.
JANUARY?!? Oh well.... You should have a pretty good idea of what you are going to do and have all the materials ready when you get busy!
Oilguy

January should work really well, lots of time to learn and plan. Plus, all my work is in industrial settings, so there's lots of scrounging to do.. There will be alot of stainless steel in my set-up [laugh] [whistle] [laugh] They change alot of stuff for no reason..... Don't worry,, I'm not a thief - One corporation's junk is another man's gold!!

Oilguy - I am getting ready to purchase the plans for the plant, but I really need a couple of more questions answered. First, a little bit of background, I live in a small community in NW Ohio. It is within the village limits, but somewhat secluded. I do, however, need to be considerate of my neighbors. From conversations with the guys at Verrall Electric, I can build a fairly small plant capable of producing a gallon of diesel per hour. My questions for you, as an expierenced consumer with nothing to gain by selling these plans; 1) How much smoke and odor is emitted from this plant? 2) How/where do you dispose of the leftover ash?

Your input on this topic has been very much appreciated!

I just figured out how to control that the other day. I get very little smoke (my truck smokes more than the plant) and after I get it sweaked it will probably not smoke at all. There is not much smell either as long as you are not in a confined space. As for ash... There is not much to worry about... I have an oil change company so anything I need to get rid of I just throw in the filter barrel and the recyclers haul it off. I am sure that if you are really environmentally concerned you could dilute the ash in a bid of oil and take it to the autoparts store to put in their oil recycling bin.
Good luck.
OilGuy

To be completely honest, I am not that concerned with the environment as it relates to this plant. I was actually more concerned with disturbing the peace in my neighborhood.

Again, thanks for your input it has been extremely helpful. I have been researching alternative fuels for several months, and I have finally come to the conclusion that this route is the best for my situation. Now, I will probably take at least a few more months studying the plans, reading information on the restricted forum and collecting parts before I actually begin construction. I hate half-Edit stuff, as it just causes you more trouble/work down the line.

Oilguy,

Ever get around to testing the finished product? I read through this topic, and followed the links.. and one of them mentioned difficulties (potential) with this general technique, such as ph (acidity). I'm sure there could be more, perhaps byproducts from synthetics or additives (dunno, guessing now).

By recollection, you're a stickler for testing on the oil side. It seems to make sense here, also. Seeing that this particular method produces consistently safe fuel would be.. reassuring!

Thanks,

Mark

Tell you the truth... I have been getting my ars roasted out here! The heat finally broke today and I have so many projects that need to be gotten to.
On my processor I am still working out production issues so I haven't gotten to testing the fuel. After seeing what others have done on the other forum I am planning to make a few other changes to mine.
As far as product quality and Ph control I am going to have to get smarter in that area.
Oilguy

Well I took today off (to conserve fuel) and worked on the plant... I tweeked it a bit and it is now producing about 2-3 gals per hr! It is a yellowish gold and transparent... infact it looks excactly like his picture on ebay.
I should have it producing about 2x what it is doing now.
I can crank it up and I can walk away with no worries... I have had every opportunity to blow it up and failed every time! [coffee] (lol)

Good job Oilguy!

MikeyB

Oilguy,

When is the pump going to open up for business?

Oilguy,

That is great news. It is a relief to see others having sucess with these alterative fuel methods.

To revisit a question posted by msilbernagel, "ever get around to testing the finished product? I read through this topic, and followed the links.. and one of them mentioned difficulties (potential) with this general technique, such as ph (acidity). I'm sure there could be more, perhaps byproducts from synthetics or additives (dunno, guessing now)."

How about some pictures of the “plant”. Surely he will let you take a picture of that without violating any NDA. Anyone could walk in off the street and you could show them your “plant”.

I am probably the most skeptical one on here. I have read through 13 pages with really no tangible “proof” that it works. I hope it works and I wish you all the luck in the world. But all I have seen is a website saying it will work and your post saying that you are producing 2-3 gals per hour. Pictures of the plant, and the finished product coming out of said plant, would help us all out. If you can’t do that, then count me in as a nonbeliever. Or at least not worth the time and effort to try and gather all of the material for the plant and permits for procuring waste oil.

I hate paying $3.29 per gallon right now, but by the time I go through all the hassle of this miracle machine, I’m not sure that would be worth it in the long run. There are too many unknown variables for me.

Thank you Oilguy for bringing this topic up and I wish you all the best with your endeavor. I just don’t think it is for me without any "visual" proof.

Britt

:)

Hello????

Is this thing on?????[whistle]

Britt

[whistle]

Hello????

Is this thing on?????[whistle]

Britt

[whistle]

I heard you this morning, and agree. I am interested, but not enough to drop the loot. I'm figuring that another 100 or so posts and I'll have enough to go on anyway.
But on the other hand I see how the oil refining clique paid their 90 bucks and won't let anyone in on the little secrets.

Time will tell.

I heard you this morning, and agree. I am interested, but not enough to drop the loot. I'm figuring that another 100 or so posts and I'll have enough to go on anyway.
But on the other hand I see how the oil refining clique paid their 90 bucks and won't let anyone in on the little secrets.

Time will tell.Pictures of them actually getting diesel out of their "plants" might change my mind. Other then that... count me out.

Britt

:)

Oilguy,

That is great news. It is a relief to see others having sucess with these alterative fuel methods.

To revisit a question posted by msilbernagel, "ever get around to testing the finished product? I read through this topic, and followed the links.. and one of them mentioned difficulties (potential) with this general technique, such as ph (acidity). I'm sure there could be more, perhaps byproducts from synthetics or additives (dunno, guessing now)."


I gotta think that if you are distilling the waste oil, all of the nasties will be left behind in the heavy fuel oil and not make it into the diesel. Just like it works with water.

I want to know how it runs in your truck. Have you used any of what you have made so far ?

I want to know how it runs in your truck. Have you used any of what you have made so far ?Not only that... what is the long term effects on the engine? So far no one has completed the "plant" and I have seen no pictures of a completed "plant" so I'm a little bit (no a lot) skeptical.
I’m not saying that it isn’t feasible but the proof is in the pudding as they say. If someone will provide pictures of the finished product with the diesel coming out of said product then I might be a believer.

I hate to be harsh but if you truly have done what you have said then you won’t have any problem posting some pictures of you getting fuel out of your miracle machine. If not then it isn’t true and this whole thread is for nothing.

Post your pictures of you getting fuel out of your machine. That is all we ask. Until then you are not (in my eyes) telling the truth.


Britt

:rolleyes:

I'm figuring that another 100 or so posts and I'll have enough to go on anyway.



Not until I see some sort of visual proof would I even consider something like this. I mean someone has to be holding a jar under the facuet delivering the finished diesel into the jar. It has to be a whole picture of the miracle machine with Diesel coming out of it.

And then you still have to consider what it will do to you engine, the epa regulations, the insurance for blowing up your house, etc..etc...

But I hear nothing but crickets....

Britt

:rolleyes:

Well I melted down another valve... If I haven't blown this thing up by now... It aint going to! hahaha. This was rollin tonight!! about 4gph best I could figure.
As for the "I got to see it to believe it" crowd...
I took the risk that this is a bunch and BS and it turned out not to be... I gave the the link and pointed you in the right direction.. I told you more than once that I am not here to convince anyone to spend $.
This is the fuel related section of the forum and everyone in here is looking around for alternative fuels to run our big bad trucks.
I still have 80 gal in the truck right now so... no... I have not run it yet... I am thinking of buying an old mercedes300d and letting her run for a while to see how it works.
I don't know what the epa regs are and I don't care if anyone believes me.
so far there is about 70 others that are building a plant that spent their $ and I don't think it would be fair to me or anyone else to post pictures or plans on this forum. If this offends you ... It is not what is intended
This is just an alternative.

Oilguy

t-7,
If you really don't think this will work please don't post your negative comments here. If you would do some online searches you will find this miracle machine is a thermal cracking unit (a still), just like the big boys (refineries).

MikeyB

t-7,
If you really don't think this will work please don't post your negative comments here. If you would do some online searches you will find this miracle machine is a thermal cracking unit (a still), just like the big boys (refineries).

MikeyB

I’m not saying that it won’t work. I hope it does. I’m all for finding alternative fuels and methods. I read through the 13 pages of this thread and read about your thermal cracking unit. I could see how that would work. But what I don’t understand is why a picture cannot be taken of the unit. Seems a little fishy to me. That is all I’m saying. If not the whole unit then how about a picture of just the diesel fuel where it comes out of the unit. That would lend a whole lot more credibility to the thread. It would be like taking a picture of your computer. Everyone knows what they look like but not everyone knows what goes on inside.

This is just my point of view. I’m a “see it to believe it” kind of person. If I have come across as negative (which I can see where I have) then I sincerely apologize. I have a tendency to be brash sometimes and apparently this was one of those times.

I will leave you guys to your machine and once again I apologize.

Britt

:)

Britt,
No problem. I don't understand the secrecy either but I'm not going to press the issue. Maybe Oilguy will invite me up to College Station to see his machine.
Oilguy (hint hint) :D

MikeyB

Well I melted down another valve... If I haven't blown this thing up by now... It aint going to! hahaha. This was rollin tonight!! about 4gph best I could figure.
As for the "I got to see it to believe it" crowd...
I took the risk that this is a bunch and BS and it turned out not to be... I gave the the link and pointed you in the right direction.. I told you more than once that I am not here to convince anyone to spend $.
This is the fuel related section of the forum and everyone in here is looking around for alternative fuels to run our big bad trucks.
I still have 80 gal in the truck right now so... no... I have not run it yet... I am thinking of buying an old mercedes300d and letting her run for a while to see how it works.
I don't know what the epa regs are and I don't care if anyone believes me.
so far there is about 70 others that are building a plant that spent their $ and I don't think it would be fair to me or anyone else to post pictures or plans on this forum. If this offends you ... It is not what is intended
This is just an alternative.

Oilguy

How about posting a picture of the fuel in a jar? I don't need to see the plant, just the fuel.

Well I took today off (to conserve fuel) and worked on the plant... I tweeked it a bit and it is now producing about 2-3 gals per hr! It is a yellowish gold and transparent... infact it looks excactly like his picture on ebay.
I should have it producing about 2x what it is doing now.
I can crank it up and I can walk away with no worries... I have had every opportunity to blow it up and failed every time! [coffee] (lol)

Mike D,

As you requested...Fuel in a jar.

Here's the pic from ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=8003071308&sspagename=rvi%3A1%3A1v_home

Not really the "fuel in a jar" I was looking for, but thanks anyway..

if it makes anyone happy, oilguy has taken pics of his plant and i have seen them along with alot of others who are in the building stages right now.

we took the risk and paid the $$$s, along with signing a binding confidentiality agreement, we are happy to post our findings and results here for you guys, please dont make it become something we dont want to do.

Just trying to help out...Oilguy did say "it looks excactly like his picture on ebay."

What I don't understand is why even mention this thing on a forum where you know full and well people are going to want to see proof.

I didn't ask to see the plans or ask how the thing was buildt. I asked for someone to take the time and post a picture of the product produced from the machine. Seems pretty simple if you ask me. [dummy]

I'm a little slow, but I fail to see how that would violate any agreement. [duhhh]

I'm done with this fourth grade "I've got a secret" bull.

At least bio-diesel is proven and you don't have to deal with this mentality.

Buy the way. I've got the cure for the "VP44 failings", but I can't show you how to fix it. Confidentiality agreement, you understand. :rolleyes:

Talk about fourth grade..."take your ball and go home."

I think this has been a very interesting conversation. It has encouraged me to purchase the plans just to play around with this method for awhile. If it works out for me, great. If not, I am out a few hundred bucks. I've thrown away a lot more than that on less promising ventures in my life.

I respect the guys that have paid their money, signed the agreement and kept their word. I am appreciative for the information I have recieved from them, as well; they didn't have to say anything. I would also like to see pictures, but because I do not know the conditions of the agreement, I refuse to degrade them on a public forum. Well, that, and it's just not how I roll...these guys paid the money and rolled the dice. They didn't look for something for nothing. I respect that.

Talk about fourth grade..."take your ball and go home."

I think this has been a very interesting conversation. It has encouraged me to purchase the plans just to play around with this method for awhile. If it works out for me, great. If not, I am out a few hundred bucks. I've thrown away a lot more than that on less promising ventures in my life.

I respect the guys that have paid their money, signed the agreement and kept their word. I am appreciative for the information I have recieved from them, as well; they didn't have to say anything. I would also like to see pictures, but because I do not know the conditions of the agreement, I refuse to degrade them on a public forum. Well, that, and it's just not how I roll...these guys paid the money and rolled the dice. They didn't look for something for nothing. I respect that.

Something for nothing? :rolleyes: Get real! If you think I would be able to somehow reverse engineer this "wonder machine" by looking at some "fuel" coming from it, you give me WAY too much credit. [duhhh] Good luck with your new venture GoBucks.

If anyone takes my post as a form of degradation needs to get some thicker skin!

And just to be clear. I'll decide when to take my ball and go home, because that's how I [roll]

"I'm done with this fourth grade "I've got a secret" bull.

At least bio-diesel is proven and you don't have to deal with this mentality."


I apologize...I guess I equate someone telling another person that they have a fourth grade mentality with "degradation." Unless, of course, the person on the receiving end of that comment was under seven years of age, in which case it would be a compliment. Apparently, you don't take kindly to it either, as I got quite a rise out of you.

To the guys like Oilguy and Upersleder, I hope you will continue to post on this topic, as I know there are several people following it very closely. Actually, maybe the dude at Verrall Electric should consider softening his non-disclosure agreement to encourage more open debate on these internet forums. I am sure he has seen a spike in his sales since this thread and others like it started.

Copy of the contract. All in all, I think it states the actual intent that the author does not want anyone to share the plans, however legally it is very weak. First, nobody in Australia can step on our rights to free speech. Second, there is a clear opportunity here for someone to build and market anything that works (see definition of patent). Verall just put out a bunch of blah blah blah in order to maximize his earnings on an idea that is not even his own. He merely took an idea one step further and is trying to make it sound as if he invented it. If I made one and it worked, I'd patent it and make a thousand of them. My own design, my own product.

Agreement of Confidentiality, Indemnity, and Non Disclosure , I of (Name of applicant) (Address of Applicant)in(Suburb/Town of Applicant) (Postcode/Zip of Applicant)(Country of applicant)

(hereafter referred to as “the applicant”) on the _day of _ agree to the (Day)_(Month)_ (Year)
following:
1.) Upon paying for the Free Diesel plans, I, the applicant am legally bound to make no attempts to give any information regarding the Free Diesel plans and/or the methods of operation and/or any other information that is in any way even remotely associated with the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant to any other person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party.

2.) I, the applicant agree that no copies of the Free Diesel plans are to be made for distribution by any means, not limited to, but including: on paper or other writing material, electronically, visually, or verbally. In no way now known or any way that may be developed or devised in the future may the Free Diesel plans be reproduced in part(s) or in full.

3.) I, the applicant agree to hold no more than one paper and/or electronic copy of the Free Diesel plans in my possession at any given time.

4.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others the Free Diesel plans.

5.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others photos, diagrams, or drawings of the Free Diesel plant and/or equipment.

6.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others instructions for the Free Diesel plant and/or the Free Diesel plans.

7.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others copies or replicas of the Free Diesel plant and/or equipment.

8.) I, the applicant agree that in building, manufacturing or attempting to build or manufacture the Free diesel plant, I could be causing a danger to myself and/or others.

9.) I, the applicant agree that in operating or attempting to operate any parts of the Free diesel plant, I could be causing a danger to myself and/or others.

10.) I, the applicant understand that certain safety measures will be explained to me in the Free Diesel plans and I, the applicant also understand that there could be other safety measures that are not mentioned to me as the applicant, but I the applicant should be aware of or make myself the applicant aware of.

11.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in building, manufacturing, or attempting to build or manufacture any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in
the event that is causes or partially causes or has a part either significant or insignificant in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage. This is regardless of whether I follow or do not follow any safety measures explained, partially explained or implied or partially implied by Verrall Electrical in the Free Diesel plans or in any other correspondence.

12.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in operating, or attempting to operate any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that it causes or partially causes or has a part either significantly or insignificantly in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage. This is regardless of whether I follow or do not follow any safety measures explained, partially explained or implied or partially implied by Verrall Electrical in the Free Diesel plans or in any other correspondence.

13.) I, the applicant am willing to personally take full and total responsibility for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in building, manufacturing, or attempting to build or manufacture any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that it causes or partially causes or has a part either significant or insignificant in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage.

14.) I, the applicant am willing to personally take full and total responsibility for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in operating, or attempting to operate any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that is causes or partially causes or has a part either significantly or insignificantly in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage.

15.) I, the applicant understand it is totally my responsibility and no responsibility whatsoever of Verrall Electrical to ensure that the Free Diesel plant meets environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws.

16.) I, the applicant understand that whilst Verrall Electrical will endeavor to assist the applicant with any queries the applicant may have with regards to the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant, it is not possible for Verrall Electrical to answer all the questions the applicant may have. This is due to different states and/or counties in different countries having different environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws regarding excise, pollution, and other matters not implied or mentioned here within.

17.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in using any product(s) such as but not limited to: Free Diesel, Free Diesel derivatives, that originate from the Free Diesel plant or Free Diesel plans. These claims are not limited to but may or may not include damage to any engines, vehicles, or any other article that the Free Diesel or Free Diesel derivatives may come into contact with.

Terminology of the Agreement of Confidentiality, Indemnity, and Non Disclosure

The Applicant: The person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party whose details are on the top of this form. This must also be the person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party who signs the agreement at the bottom of this form.

Others: Any person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party who is not the applicant.

Free Diesel: Any product(s) that comes from part of the process or comes from the complete process of manufacturing and/or operating the Free Diesel plant. This is not limited to but may include anything from the Petroleum Hydrocarbon Chemical Family or what is commonly known as Diesel, Petrol, and suchlike.

Free Diesel plans: The material in either a paper or electronic form that the applicant will receive from Verrall Electrical after paying the fee of AU$109.99. This includes but is not limited to drawings, instructions, and photos of how to build and operate the Free Diesel plant.

Free Diesel plant: The materials that separately or when combined make up the product the applicant builds or manufactures in accordance with the Free Diesel plans. This is the device that enables the applicant to make FREE DIESEL.
Verrall Electrical: The company as a whole registered as Verrall Electrical or as separate individuals made up of four persons namely Michael Arthur Verrall, Michelle Louise Verrall, Lindsey Glen Verrall, and Kathleen Estelle Verrall. This is a legal partnership registered in Australia with the Australian Business Number 65 157 496 312 at the registered address of 35 Princes Highway, Tailem Bend 5260, South Australia.

Signed: Date_ Time: _ am/pm (Signature of applicant) _ (Date DD-MM-YYYY) (HH:MM)
Name: wittness: Winess’ Name: (Signature of Witness) (Name of Witness)’ Contact Details: (Address of Witness) (Suburb/Town of (End of agreement)
This auction is for your copy of the Free Diesel Plans Including ALL instructions to build and operate the plant.
Please note these CONDITIONS OF SALE:
* All sales are final - there are no returns or refunds.

Yep, you got a rise out of me all right. :rolleyes:

Forgive my need for internet hype'd products to pass the sniff test. What am I thinking? Unlike yourself, I think it unwise and foolhardy to throw away a "few hundred buck" on less promising ventures.

I guess you gain a certain perspective when you leave the fourth grade.

I find it curious as to why this is the only thread you seem to have an interest? Some personal stake in the product, maybe?
I suspect you're some sort of "Spin Doctor" by the way you put words in my mouth.

Like I said gobucks, good luck in your new "venture", whatever it may be.

I would probably invest in this if I had a steady supply of used dino motor oil. With four diesel trucks and two diesel tractors would be a very nice cost savings for the family. Plus it would give something for my Dad to do when he retires. :D

MikeyB

I want to know how it runs in your truck. Have you used any of what you have made so far ?


well....... ?

I was waiting for someone to ask who the new kid in school was…

I have absolutely no personal stake in this product. Like you, my family and I use lots of diesel; trucks, car and farm equipment. I am most interested in finding a low cost fuel for the car, as it gets the most everyday use right now. I bought a 2005 VW TDI due to the fuel savings (48 mpg). I use it to commute to work and drive around to check fields. I bought the car in April and already have 20,000 miles on it, so you can understand the considerable savings in driving this over the truck.

I very recently came across this forum by accident while researching alternative fuels. Having a relatively older stock Dodge (it’s now been relegated to farm machinery, instead of everyday driver), I don't see myself doing a lot of chatting on the other threads as a lot of them have to do with modifications. Just no interest… However, I will stick around to use the other valuable maintenance resources. It’s good to be able to ask questions and get answers from individuals that have already crossed that bridge.

Spin Doctor? I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I copied and pasted them directly from your post.

For the record, I will be the first to admit that your skepticism is not without warrant. However, I am the kind of guy that likes to weigh skepticism, against investment and potential returns. In this instance, given the ever increasing fuel prices, the return looks pretty promising. “Foolhardy,” my wife would agree…

Speaking of this venture…can we get back on the topic at hand? I am also interested in the answer to G-R-D’s question.

Oilguy – I know you responded to this question initially by saying, “I still have 80 gal in the truck right now so... no... I have not run it yet...” Is there any update?

Hey Gobucks!
Quite a lot of bickering going on since I was in here last! hahaha

I have been staying in town this week so I haven't gotten through this tank. I have a couple of changes to make the the plant so it has not been run the last 2 days. I have only made about 8 gal's that I have kept... I used the rest starting the plant and cleaning up a big mess in my work rig. (pressure line blow out on the waste oil!)
And to tell you the truth... I don't really care what it says the the NDA... I am just respecting Mike V and the others that paid good money for the plans... It is nothing more than that.
I also have no personal gain in this... I am just trying to get the word out... especially now that I have made it work.. and I am not the only one that has!
I will still post updates. I hope to be running it soon.

Oilguy

Just trying to keep it interesting while we wait for you to get this thing built, tweaked, run your truck out of fuel, fuel tested, etc.

Gees, you act like you have a job/life other than building a diesel plant and keeping us updated. [laugh]

OK... It is in the truck now. I put 15 gal (half a tank) in and I have only gone 8 miles... I will be driving about 120 tomorrow so if I notice any difference I will post it. It is mixed with the half a tank that was already in there... I was going to wait longer but I am impatient. (I am probably the only one impatient in this forum)
Oilguy

Nope. I'm probably one of the worst. I hate wating for things.

OilGuy;
I have read every post on this thread. I can hardly wait for your report on how this fuel works in your truck. If you have a positive report I'll be buying the plans. THANK YOU for taking the heat in this thread has given out. It is threads like this that have kept me from posting very much about WVO. Keep up the good work.
Ken

200 miles and the truck is still running! I don't notice anything different as far as Mileage > Smell > Power > Sound > Smoke... so I will keep going.

Oilguy (grinning)

I'll believe it when I "see" it.;)

Not being negative, just realistic. Like we have said before... There "shouldn't" be any problem with taking a picture of the fuel at the point that it comes out of your machine. Don't take a picture of the whole machine if you don't want too. Just the point of the fuel "drop"

If you can't do that then I'm not buying your story.

Like my grandfather always said.... "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is" ;)

Britt

:)

200 miles and the truck is still running! I don't notice anything different as far as Mileage > Smell > Power > Sound > Smoke... so I will keep going.

Oilguy (grinning)

Good deal.

MikeyB

Oilguy,

I'm curious did your fuel making process every work out?

Oilguy,

I'm curious did your fuel making process every work out?

Hey Winkle- Read three posts above your own :)

Nice idea if it works...the page on Ebay shows the item is now closed...let us know if it works and how hard it was to build...

McDiesel,

I saw that post, But I wondering if Oilguy got his big still going.

I took today off because of the rain and worked on it.. I have made a lot of changes to make it more automated and effecient. I am going to start it back up tomorrow and see if the changes worked. I will post progress.

Oilguy

Oilguy...I've followed this post and now found the guy selling these plans on ebay...now for $99... You've taken some real BS and come out ok...congrats! Now... I'm really close to buying this but...BUT...how big is/does it have to be, to be practical? Can it fit in a 8'x12' shed with some space for storing feed stock oil and finish product and still be worth making and produce 25 - 50 gallons / week or more? How about a 10'x14'? I mean if it won't then I don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting this thing in my yard even if I buy ten sets of freaking plans ya know! Thanks

I'll believe it when I [b]"see" it.;)

Not being negative, just realistic. Like we have said before... There "shouldn't" be any problem with taking a picture of the fuel at the point that it comes out of your machine. Don't take a picture of the whole machine if you don't want too. Just the point of the fuel "drop"

If you can't do that then I'm not buying your story.

Like my grandfather always said.... "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is" ;)

Britt

:)
Too shay Britt thats what I have saying all along. Like my Father always said.... "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is" [whistle] [coffee] Good lyuck Oilguy

Deputyski,

I am interested in building a smaller plant, as well. So, I e-mailed Verrall Electrical a few weeks ago to inquire about the size, and this was the response I recieved:

"The plant my dad has built produces 1 gal per hour. (You can run it 24/7 if you wish) There is a drum at one end containing sump oil and a drum at the other end containing the completed diesel. The “X factor” in between is 3ft by 4ft 6 inches."

I hope this helps.

Thanks...that does help...now I'm really close...I'll just verify I can get some bunker oil.

I've read all the posts and I don't remember if the question of contaminated oil was answered. What if the oil has atf, gear, gasoline, diesel, water, coolant, etc mixed in? Will it still produce clean diesel?

On a side note, I'd imagine that this still produces quite a bit of heat. I wonder how hard it would be to incorporate a heat exchanger into the stack to heat a shop/garage, etc. Use the heat to heat water that is then circulated through a radiant heating system in the floor. Free diesel and free heat. Just alittle electric to run the circulator pump.

Yes you can build a smaller processor... I made mine pretty big... but I am in Texas and that is just the way I think! LOL
It has a way of dealing with water contamination... I found out that it works the other day when it rained and I forgot to cover it. Very effective test.
As for other things like gasoline and other lubes... I am not sure about. I have a lube business and I see what goes into mine and it is just oil 5/w20 through 20/w50 convertional and Syn and I haven't had a problem with Syn.
And as far as using the heat for other purposes... that would be very easy!

Oilguy

I emailed Michael about the "contaminated" oil. He said that as long as the majority was sump oil, it would be ok.

I fiished a lot of the changes that I had to do and fired it up again yesterday for about 2 hrs and it ran smoothly got 6 gals. I was very temped to let it run all night but I chickened out. It is putting out very consistant dark gold diesel. I wish it was a little lighter but as long as it works I ain't complainin'
I had to fill up at the pump 2 days ago for $200! I am ready for this to be producing 24/7 --- Cool thing was -- unless you knew it was running you could not tell it! [guitar]

Oilguy

It is putting out very consistant dark gold diesel. Pictures????? Of the fuel if nothing else????????

Oh yeah.... what was I thinking. It's too much trouble taking pictures of the actual fuel that comes out of the machine:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Might be violating some sort of NDA ;)

What was I thinking???? :D

Britt

:)

Hey Oilguy,
You don't mind if I bring a 55 gallon drum up to your place for a fillup. :D

MikeyB

LOL MikeB >>> I have a 55er hooked up to the plant right now but it is all going into my truck.... Remember everyone wants me to be the lab rat! Reports back from others that are running the fuel is better starting and performance. I have been running mixed so I haven't noticed any difference.

Update on cost is about $400... and I don't have a lot of patience for finding scrap material. I bet this could be built for about $100 or less.

Oilguy

Have you had your new diesel analized? I'd be curious if some of the stuff they take out of #2 to make it "cleaner" would be in this stuff.

Remember everyone wants me to be the lab rat!
Oilguy

Well, it's because you're the only one here that has a working unit! [coffee]
[dummy]
MikeyB

Actually,,. there are more but they only post their progress in the other forum.

Nuguy.. I am curious about that too and I found a place in central Texas that does that... but all of my extra $'s are being put into my other prject. 46 International hotrod. [coffee]

I am going to go start it back up and let it run all day! Be back tonight.

Oilguy

Oilguy, I think T-7 has a legitimate request. Why can you not provide a picture of the fuel itself...or a picture of the fuel flowing out of the "output" side of the machine??

Think of it this way. You're fairly new to this forum and of the 82 posts that you've made here 52 of them have been on this thread alone. I'm certainly not accusing you of anything, but for all we know you could be the guy selling these things. All these folks have asked for is a few pictures of the fuel itself. Some of these guys are skeptical and they're trying to figure out if this is a legitimate source for fuel or if it's just one big scam.

So, why not take a few pictures just to put some of the skeptics at ease??

Yeah, what they said, Pics Please. Make it a tight shot of just the FUEL flowing, that way the related equipment can stay secret.

If Oilguy would invite me up there.......
I need to visit Messina Hoff anyway. :D

MikeyB

.... Remember everyone wants me to be the lab rat! Oilguy

Yeah OilGuy
We've been pushing you for details but I kinda think you like the attention.

Do any of the labs you get engine oil tested at do analysis on (diesel) fuel for impurities, cetane rating, etc?

Spent almost an hour reading this whole thread form start to finish...
Zig Zigler was quoted as having said once that the surest way to sell a product is tokeep the actual merchnadise " secret...., it is the long wait that makes the sell..."
I have to agree with T-7 and a few others.
NDA taken into consideration, there is NO reason not have posted a picture of at least the fuel at this point.
If the claims being made are true, then I am confused why you seem so eager to share on everything but details and proof.
I would dearly love for this all to be just as you are claiming, I have shallow pockets and saving money interests me as much as anyone, however this sounds way to much like the pitch's I have heard from door to door salemen and the like to accept all this without some proof, and the reluctance to provide even a photo is realy suspicious.

Chrisreyn & Hoss said it in a much better way than I could. I've never been known for subtlety.

In my personal opinion, the credibility of this thread is sliding down a slippery slope fast.

Britt

:)

UPDATE!!!

I made a miniture and very rough version of the plans just to see if it would work....
:o :D
It did! I did not run it very long >> but long enough to see that it would indeed work...

I am not trying to BS anyone... Here's the dude's website...
http://www.freediesel.com.au/Free%20Diesel.htm

I am going to build the big version next!

OilGuy

have you called this guy or just e-mailed him? i'm trying to call the number that he has listed on his site, but it's not going through. :confused: i guess that i'll e-mail him via e-bay, but it sure seems strange that you can't get in touch with the guy...

if i can talk to him, i'll buy his plans and have my brother-in-law build it and house it in his barn...i've been watching this thread for quite some time, and i guess that i'm just going to have to build it, because i can't figure out what's going on with your stuff. there's been no pictures, no proof, a ton of putting off, etc. it's been a couple of months and still nothing.:confused:

brad

Check Oilguy's photo gallery.

~Rob

Check Oilguy's photo gallery.

~Rob

Wrong system. Those are pictures of the system used for "filtering" waste oil not making diesel. Here is the thread: Click Here (http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=79306)

It's a nice setup though. Looks as though "that" system would work. :D

Britt

:)

It does... Infact that is the filter that I use for filtering the diesel that I make.. It makes it really easy to pump it into the truck.


Oilguy

I made some changes to the plant and production is up to 8-10 GPH and the fuel is lighter gold. I am about to make a few more changes and I should be able to bump that to 12-15 GPH... If I can do that I guess it would be equivilant to making $40 to $50 per hour! I might do that full time! LOL
The plans that Michael sells on ebay work but I built mine a lot bigger than he expected and this is why I am having to make so many changes>>> In other words I took his simple Idea and totally over complicated it.<<... This thread has been going for a long time and I was ready for a steady production a month ago.

Oilguy

In Oilguys defense.....

I bought the plans too a while ago.. Unfortunately, I'm on a job out of town until Christmas, so I can't start the big build myself yet. What I can tell you, is that I don't see any reason why this won't work. I've been participating in the private forum, and I've seen lots of pictures, and seen production.

The one thing I'm curious about, before I start building, is the quality of the fuel it's putting out. Cetane, lubrication. Contaminents don't really bother me, seeing as I can't see how they could get into the final product...

I stand to gain NO profit from saying this: If you can scrounge, operate tools and a welder, and need a hobby, then $100 isn't really that much to throw on the table!!

Hardy.

That may be well and good but I still see no reason why you can not take a picture of the fuel. Makes no sense to me. Until then... I'm not buying the story. Obviously I'm not the only one.

Britt

:)

Some of these "non-believers" sure seem to be spending a lot of time hanging out on this thread. ;)

Some of these "non-believers" sure seem to be spending a lot of time hanging out on this thread. ;)


Yep... you're right. Still waiting on some kind of "proof". Simple as that.

I'm not saying that it doesn't work. I hope it does but like many others have said, there should be no reason why you can't take a picture of the fuel or where it comes out of the machine. If you want to just throw $100 dollars at something just because someone "says" it will work then I have all kind of inventions that you could buy into. Trust me :rolleyes: I won't steer you wrong.;) Oh by the way... I figured out how to get Dodge to just write off the outstanding balance on your truck. I'll sell it to you for the bargin price of $19.99.;)

Sounds kind of stupid doesn't it? But that is basically what this thread has been about. The title says it all. "$0 Fuel Prices! No Kidding! Free!!" But.... I will provide no shred of proof that it works and all it will cost you is $100 dollars. Maybe more. It seems a little irresponsible to post something like this and then provide no evidence that it works other than "trust me".

Thread started on 8/8/2005. Today is 10/22/2005. Almost 3 months, 17 pages, and over 14,500 views later.... Still not one shred of evidence that it really works.

This is Just My Opinion. Wish I could be more tactful like Hoss and Chrisreyn but I tend to call it like I see it. Sorry MikeyB, I'm not trying to be negitave but it sure is hard not to come across that way. :)

Britt

;)

How about a price list? And a difficulty rating for performing the build and running the machine. I know the plans are only a $100 but how much have you spent on the liquid gold machine. How much money would people have to spend that don't already have oil pumps and drums to work with. I have all the used oil & 55 gal drums I need but I don't really need anymore hobbies. I could build a small machine at my shop right next to the 400 gallon used oil tank but not at home. How automated is your machine?

I would never risk getting caught trying to sell any fuel, thats just asking for way to much trouble with the man. My partner and I combined might use 200 gallons a month at the most. I guess even if we spend $2000 building something we would get our money back in a year even if we only saved $1.00 per gallon. It could pay for itself in 4 months if we are getting fuel for free.

The biodiesel thing sounds great but I have absolutely no interest in collecting wvo.