#5 smarty wild w/ stock clutch? - Dodge Diesel

rip 112 · 06-19-2007, 12:38 PM

Has anybody been doing this with safe results? I'm currently running #5 moderate tq management, but want to increase the response a little without going overboard. I've found #'s 7 & 9 are a little to touchy down low for my driving habits, so I stick to 5. What are the differences between the tq management levels, and what can I expect? All help is appreciated.

MikeyB · 06-19-2007, 12:46 PM

Personally, I would stick with the mild or moderate on a stock clutch. Unless you're planning to change the clutch in the near future.

MikeyB

rip 112 · 06-19-2007, 01:06 PM

I eventually want to change clutches, but thats about a yr. from now. I'm still into fuel mileage because I want to save enough to get more mods, and I want to get the right clutch. Is the response on wild that much more than on moderate?

jwb600 · 06-19-2007, 01:24 PM

any clutch that holds up will be very grabby. it doesnt matter what kind you get. if you pull a trailer alot it sucks with something aftermarket. thats one of the reasons I bought an automatic.

rip 112 · 06-19-2007, 01:53 PM

I do pull trailers frequently, but I usually pull less than 10,000 lbs. and I don't plan on going past 500 hp. I know it will be grabby, but it has to be done, and I don't know if i will change my mind and push for even more power. But for now I just want to stick to what I have, and i don't want to send my clutch home early( or anything else for that matter)

Porky69 · 06-19-2007, 02:16 PM

I ran my '06 6speed on SW #5 Moderate Torque Management and did in the stock clutch within 30,000km(about 3months). If you want to keep the clutch I would stick to SW#3.

JohnInNH · 06-20-2007, 07:47 AM

The "wild" is much more touchy .. the throttle delivery is not linear. I ran it for 3 months then went back to Moderate.... The only thing I did not like was the throttle being to jerky with the wild SW... I loved the low RPM power.. Hopefully the next release will address that. Can't wait for the new Smarty SW to come out!

Oh..... My South Bend Clutch Con OFE is not grabby at all......

I run my Smarty on #9

dodgezilla04 · 06-20-2007, 09:31 AM

my ofe settled out in about 400 miles. not jerky at all, even when backing the trailer, and holds well.

rip 112 · 06-20-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dodgezilla04

my ofe settled out in about 400 miles. not jerky at all, even when backing the trailer, and holds well.

That's what I figured, and if the feeling did change(i'm sure it did), by the time it was broken in you're probably pretty used to it.

As far as the wild being touchy, that's what I don't want, that's why I stay off sw7 & 9. Can anybody get that beta 4.4 download, and if so how do I go about doing it? I'd like to give it a try.

dodgezilla04 · 06-20-2007, 11:38 AM

rip. the only way to get the beta's is through bob. we have agreed to not share them. gives him control over who gets access to it. they will be available soon.

XLR8R · 06-20-2007, 11:43 AM

I slipped the stock clutch on the '05 with SW#5 and the Quad Race on PL2 while powershifting in the higher gears.

SW#9 + PL3 won't slip in any gear as long as you "lift to shift"

rip 112 · 06-20-2007, 11:57 AM

Thanks for all the info guys, I'll just stick to moderate until the beta becomes available.

dodgezilla04 · 06-20-2007, 12:24 PM

mikes right, i havent slipped mine either when hot rodding or dynoing over 500. it has half a dozen dyno runs at over 500 with out a slip, and the power is higher now and no issues.
when hot rodding, i have occasionally been able to ship fast enough to still have 30psi of boost, and it still grabs and holds on. i love this thing.

P.J · 06-20-2007, 12:29 PM

Um, I can't slip mine. Chirping the duals into second or ******* it out on the highway, #9 all the way.

XLR8R · 06-20-2007, 12:39 PM

Chris, this truck is becoming scary-fast!

We have a high-gear rolling acceleration test out at the shop that we use for comparing different mods/tunes - the '05 has run hundreds of them. Best runs w/stock fueling & 315s were 60-85mph uncorrected, and the Quad by itself would do 60-75mph with the monster "7th gear" Toyos. Yesterday, #9 + PL3 did 60-95mph with a lawnmower and a load of 10' 304SS hanging out of the bed (over 9500 lbs. gross

)... and that's uncorrected, so it was actually 6th gear from 70-110mph!

5th gear is the new 3rd!

06-19-2007, 12:46 PM	#2
MikeyB Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tomball, Texas Posts: 7,151 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	Personally, I would stick with the mild or moderate on a stock clutch. Unless you're planning to change the clutch in the near future. MikeyB __________________ 2003 2500 2wd SWB Quad Cab Laramie, 305/555, NV5600, 3.73LS, Line-X, Westach boost/EGT combo gauge, PML diff cover, Airbox mod, Hurst 6spd Shift ****, Adjustable boost elbow, Toyo OC AT 285/70/17 E, Daystar 1.5" lift, Monroe Reflex, Raptor RP100, Lazarsmith Intake Horn, HID SMARTY Sr./Van Aaken C3.2

06-19-2007, 02:16 PM	#6
Porky69 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Coaldale, Alberta, Canada Posts: 21 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	I ran my '06 6speed on SW #5 Moderate Torque Management and did in the stock clutch within 30,000km(about 3months). If you want to keep the clutch I would stick to SW#3. __________________ 2006 Dodge Ram 3500 Laramie Quad Cab Dually 4x4, 6speed, 3.73, Black Pearl, Sun Roof, Power Rear Slider, Fully Loaded, AEM Brute Force Intake, LowRider Tonneau Cover, Husky UBS Fifth Wheel Hitch, President HR2510 CB Radio, Sirius Satellite Radio, Toyo Open Country AT LT285/70R17 Tires, FloPro Dual Exhaust, FASS 150/95 Fuel Pump, Smarty Downloader, Southbend CON OFE Clutch

06-20-2007, 07:47 AM	#7
JohnInNH Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NH Posts: 298 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	The "wild" is much more touchy .. the throttle delivery is not linear. I ran it for 3 months then went back to Moderate.... The only thing I did not like was the throttle being to jerky with the wild SW... I loved the low RPM power.. Hopefully the next release will address that. Can't wait for the new Smarty SW to come out! Oh..... My South Bend Clutch Con OFE is not grabby at all...... I run my Smarty on #9 __________________ 2006 SLT Std Cab Long bed 4x4 G56, Gear Vendors 22% Over Drive, Dynatrac Free Spin Hubs, A.R.E. Cap, Boost & EGT Gauges, Front Eaton E-locker, SBC CON OFE, Cool Air mod, Snow-Way 8' Plow, Waren Multi Mount Winch, Bilstein shocks, Line-X, Muffler delete, CB + V1. 2002 VW TDI with Upsolute chip; 49 MPG at 75 MPH

06-20-2007, 11:43 AM	#11
XLR8R Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pattonville, Texas Posts: 7,784 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	I slipped the stock clutch on the '05 with SW#5 and the Quad Race on PL2 while powershifting in the higher gears. SW#9 + PL3 won't slip in any gear as long as you "lift to shift" __________________ Lazar Sleeps a flock of Rams & a Goat GUN-HAPPY Crew Chief

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06-19-2007, 01:06 PM	#3
rip 112 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Round Top Texas; pushin in Kenedy, TX Posts: 4,758 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	I eventually want to change clutches, but thats about a yr. from now. I'm still into fuel mileage because I want to save enough to get more mods, and I want to get the right clutch. Is the response on wild that much more than on moderate?

06-19-2007, 01:24 PM	#4
jwb600 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,597 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	any clutch that holds up will be very grabby. it doesnt matter what kind you get. if you pull a trailer alot it sucks with something aftermarket. thats one of the reasons I bought an automatic.

06-19-2007, 01:53 PM	#5
rip 112 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Round Top Texas; pushin in Kenedy, TX Posts: 4,758 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	I do pull trailers frequently, but I usually pull less than 10,000 lbs. and I don't plan on going past 500 hp. I know it will be grabby, but it has to be done, and I don't know if i will change my mind and push for even more power. But for now I just want to stick to what I have, and i don't want to send my clutch home early( or anything else for that matter)

06-20-2007, 09:31 AM	#8
dodgezilla04 Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: kingston,wa Posts: 0 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	my ofe settled out in about 400 miles. not jerky at all, even when backing the trailer, and holds well.

06-20-2007, 11:38 AM	#10
dodgezilla04 Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: kingston,wa Posts: 0 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	rip. the only way to get the beta's is through bob. we have agreed to not share them. gives him control over who gets access to it. they will be available soon.

06-20-2007, 11:57 AM	#12
rip 112 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Round Top Texas; pushin in Kenedy, TX Posts: 4,758 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	Thanks for all the info guys, I'll just stick to moderate until the beta becomes available.

06-20-2007, 12:24 PM	#13
dodgezilla04 Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: kingston,wa Posts: 0 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	mikes right, i havent slipped mine either when hot rodding or dynoing over 500. it has half a dozen dyno runs at over 500 with out a slip, and the power is higher now and no issues. when hot rodding, i have occasionally been able to ship fast enough to still have 30psi of boost, and it still grabs and holds on. i love this thing.

06-20-2007, 12:29 PM	#14
P.J Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Port Deposit, MD Posts: 0 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	Um, I can't slip mine. Chirping the duals into second or ******* it out on the highway, #9 all the way.

06-20-2007, 12:39 PM	#15
XLR8R Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pattonville, Texas Posts: 7,784 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	Chris, this truck is becoming scary-fast! We have a high-gear rolling acceleration test out at the shop that we use for comparing different mods/tunes - the '05 has run hundreds of them. Best runs w/stock fueling & 315s were 60-85mph uncorrected, and the Quad by itself would do 60-75mph with the monster "7th gear" Toyos. Yesterday, #9 + PL3 did 60-95mph with a lawnmower and a load of 10' 304SS hanging out of the bed (over 9500 lbs. gross )... and that's uncorrected, so it was actually 6th gear from 70-110mph! 5th gear is the new 3rd!