Don M

Seems he and the host are discussing the best path to take to redistribution and "Economic Justice" "Reparative economic work". Anyone know what that is? I do, but wondered if anyone else understood what that is or what they tought of it. Is it fair at this point in history? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Shrimpy

Nice catch Don........If a person calls a dog, a cat, long enough will everyone believe the person is correct because they say it's so?????????

Simple answer on BHO......total and complete MARXIST/SOCIALIST.

Jim

ramlovingvet

What say the Dems on here? Still think the right makes up his agenda?

Lary Ellis (Top)

They can hear it from his own mouth and still won't believe him. It takes actual thought process to occur and I have become convinced that is a hard commodity to find in this country any more.

ramlovingvet

I fear you are right Lary.. Its a SAD SAD day for Freedom.

graphitecumnz

Obama could murder someone and would still be elected. He has become infallible to his supporters and the M.S.M. The Republicans picked a horrible candidate and since the populous of this country isn’t ready for a 3rd party candidate it's a virtual lost cause...

I’m sure the dems, libs, socialists, communists, etc will be around to defend his statements like they always do. Especially in this case... remember, to them, wealth is never earned through hard work and using your talents to succeed... it’s taken from someone else or inherited from family. It’s their purpose to confiscate it and redistribute it to the ‘less fortunate’. Remember, it’s not in the name of funding the government, it’s in the name of ‘fairness’. Enough will never be enough... the ‘rich’ will never ‘pay’ enough taxes.

metalbasher

I watched a good program on your election candidates on the CBC last night. McCain seems to be a bit of an outsider in the Republican ranks and has not been supported very well by his party. Seems he was an independant that opposed alot of the Republican agenda up until 4 years ago. Do you guys figure that you would have a better chance with one of the other guys like Huckabee who is a mainsteam republican. Obama is a good speaker but he's definately a different dude.

graphitecumnz

McCain has been considered a political 'maverick' but that's not what makes him a poor candidate in this election. One reason... his original stance on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. To me, this is a huge negative. But I also think the left has done a good job of linking him to Bush which is a turn off to the voters he needs to win. McCain will do just fine with registered Republicans. American national politics are always a battle for the 15-20% of 'independent' voters. He was a better candidate 8 years ago. I think the reason he got the nod this year was because Rep. voters thought he would appeal to Independents and Moderate Democrats. McCain wears kid gloves though... he hasn't taken Obama to task like he should have... especially on his tax proposals.

I don't think Huckabee was electable in the General Election. I think Romney was electable but would never have been selected as the Republican candidate. One of the biggest issues that has damaged the Republican party is the "Religious Right"... they've co-opted the party.

Elections are complicated... there really is a changing electorate in this country... many are looking for that handout from the Government that Obama is promising. Many simply don't understand how things really work... the 'poor' don't create jobs, corporations don't pay taxes and healthcare isn't free.

Alexander Tyler has a particularly interesting statement about democracy...

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

this wasn't written about the US but about the Athenian Republic... for some reason, I see a lot of similarities to what we see in our current country.

The statistics are all out there... despite what Democrats say, more and more of the tax burden is being shouldered by the wealthy... the Democrats would love to keep shifting the burden further and further towards that side of the balance sheet. The current statistic is something like 40% aren't paying income taxes(only FICA taxes). When they can finally achieve the coup de gras, a 50+% majority of people not paying taxes, they will have forever changed the landscape of American politics. Every election from that point will go like this... "So and so Republican is going to take away this tax credit" or "So and so Republican is going to take away this tax deduction"...

metalbasher

Sounds like you know your politics. I admire the passion many on this site have towards this election, good to see that you care. I have been more interested in the American election than our recent election in Canada.

Don M

I am currently reading a bio on Ciaus Julius Ceaser. The opening chapters have to do with their Republic and its flexibility. It begins in 100-59 BC. I am surprised in the similarities of the Italian/Rome system in those days and ours.

This was written about Rome in and around the early first Century AD by Velleius Paterculus:

"For, when Rome was freed of the fear of Carthage, and her rivals in empire was out of her way, the path of virtue was abandoned for that of corruption, not gradually, but in a headlong course. The older discipline was discarded to give place to the new. The state passed from vigilance to slumber, from the pursuit of arms to the pursuit of pleasure, from activity to idleness"

The above sounds much like the modern day. History bores the heck out of many people, but we could learn plenty from it.

patdaly

Hows this for Income redistribution?

" As president, my first year budget will be 2.7 Trillion dollars. The following year it will be 2.4 Trillion dollars, and after that, we can see if there needs to be more reduction in Federal spending. Congress has 2 choices, either send me the budget I ask for, or face the real wrath of the American Public, for I will rally millions against the machine."
Oh lordy, where is the man brave enough to espouse REAL income redistribution?

soulezoo

Very Good... Most of the ancient "civilizations" Rome, Athens, Egypt and more... all followed to some degree or another the same path. Economics, corruption, greed and etc. have all been mentioned here. However one other great evil that is parallel to the "Roman experience" has been little mentioned. That of morality. As corruption, greed and infighting for power all took hold, so did immorality. Homosexuality, pluralism, disease, incest and etc. were also rampant and played a key role in the decomposition of their society... think for a moment that of Caligula Caesar, around AD36-37 I think...

GMScott

Amen, that is THE truth!!
Except the wealthy Democrats in the Senate & Congress. (see the other post Tough Times: )The only reason they give lip service to redistributing the wealth from the "rich" and to give it to the poor is to maintain their power and stranglehold on the uneducated masses (sheep). Don't believe for a second that even if O could get this redistribution passed, the "real" rich won't find a loophole!! That's what money buys - loopholes. Besides, they pay almost 60% of ALL the income taxes collected by the government NOW. They're not going to give up their wealth. Yeah, they might lose some of it to a new tax code, but it won't be some amount that would hurt or dent their fortunes. They'll probably shift it overseas. What gets my goat, is the hypocrisy of our governmental leaders, especially the Dems, if you look at the net worth of those in the Senate, according to that post, you see the rich Dems out number the Repubs by 3 -1.